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List of scum practices by gaming publishers and developers
DRM
Region locking
Astroturfing
Forum censorship
Early access
Releasing unfinished garbage
DLC feedback loop
DLC that should have been in the full game
Malware in games
Rootkits
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Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
Do you not understand what "support" means?? Because i don't think you do.

When you pay for a product you're also by extension giving them funds to either remain afloat or to produce more products but usually both.
Yeah but the idfference between support and transaction is intent. If your intent in giving them money is to keep them afloat. Then you are..in your mind...supporting them. If you're doing it just to get the item on offer then it has nothing to do with support. I don't by a DOuble Whopper because I want to support BK. I do it because I'm hungry and have a hankering for beef.

If you want to support someone then you don't need a transaction. If you do it via transaction then there's no actual support being given since you're doing it in exchange for something.

Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
You support EAs practices, don't lie. You've literally defended every practice they have done in extremes.
Yeah. I support customers being given an option to buy the game in an unfinished prerelease state if they so choose. Is there something wrong with that. Do you think customers should have their choices arbitarily limited to the things YOU personally agree with?

As said I have yet to actually purchase any EA game. God knows I have far too many FINISHED games on my wishlist to have time/money for an unfinished game. I choose not to buy. and others are free to choose to buy and their choice doesn't affect me one lick.

Spend your money on the things you want and don't worry about what pther people are spending their money on.
最近の変更はStart_Runningが行いました; 2023年12月24日 21時32分
Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
Not fully sure what paranoia about "gubment" has to do with any of this. If anyone is going to spy on you it's the companies and those that pay for that information.
That's it right there. It's just my alliteration for it (or whatever the term is - been a long while since my English Lit class). Whether it's the gubment, or a faceless corporation, it makes no difference to me and I could not care any less about someone else's discomfort in having meaningless data about them collected and tracked.

Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
Unless you're ok with all your programs hogging up memory and network usage idle collecting data with ♥♥♥♥ you pay for.
Never had any issues with it, so don't care one iota. I can still watch videos, surf the web, and play my games with plenty of PC resources to spare for idling my own work in the background.

Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
But you should care, even by your own standards of simply wanting a service or product. You have to acknowledge that some stores may provide a better service than others.

People dislike gamestop for a reason, most only use it where i live because there are no other "game" stores around or because of preorders.

But that is besides the point.

Stores like products are in constant competition for your dollar.

So yeah, I do care how a 'store' treats me as a customer, but of course within reason.
Oh I care about my costs, I care about my service, and I care about the quality of my products. I just don't care about yours. The fact that you and others have issues with, say Gamestop, doesn't bother me one iota, and I'm certainly not going to stop using Gamestop because you and those others have issues with the store. And to be perfectly frank, I'll be even less inclined to care if you and others head to a forum to complain about Gamestop and all their "evil" practices and harm done against you and others.

And that's the crux here, and part of the us vs. them mentality. People will come here complaining about something and expect an echo chamber of support. When that doesn't happen, suddenly everyone who disagrees with their assessment is a corporate shill and the reason why the "gubment" gets away with ruffling through everyone's underwear drawer. So they demand changes that would force everyone else into their narrow paranoid point of view because they simply can't handle the fact that no one else cares about their manufactured issues.
BJWyler の投稿を引用:
Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
Not fully sure what paranoia about "gubment" has to do with any of this. If anyone is going to spy on you it's the companies and those that pay for that information.
That's it right there. It's just my alliteration for it (or whatever the term is - been a long while since my English Lit class). Whether it's the gubment, or a faceless corporation, it makes no difference to me and I could not care any less about someone else's discomfort in having meaningless data about them collected and tracked.

Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
Unless you're ok with all your programs hogging up memory and network usage idle collecting data with ♥♥♥♥ you pay for.
Never had any issues with it, so don't care one iota. I can still watch videos, surf the web, and play my games with plenty of PC resources to spare for idling my own work in the background.

Channel_04 の投稿を引用:
But you should care, even by your own standards of simply wanting a service or product. You have to acknowledge that some stores may provide a better service than others.

People dislike gamestop for a reason, most only use it where i live because there are no other "game" stores around or because of preorders.

But that is besides the point.

Stores like products are in constant competition for your dollar.

So yeah, I do care how a 'store' treats me as a customer, but of course within reason.
Oh I care about my costs, I care about my service, and I care about the quality of my products. I just don't care about yours. The fact that you and others have issues with, say Gamestop, doesn't bother me one iota, and I'm certainly not going to stop using Gamestop because you and those others have issues with the store. And to be perfectly frank, I'll be even less inclined to care if you and others head to a forum to complain about Gamestop and all their "evil" practices and harm done against you and others.

And that's the crux here, and part of the us vs. them mentality. People will come here complaining about something and expect an echo chamber of support. When that doesn't happen, suddenly everyone who disagrees with their assessment is a corporate shill and the reason why the "gubment" gets away with ruffling through everyone's underwear drawer. So they demand changes that would force everyone else into their narrow paranoid point of view because they simply can't handle the fact that no one else cares about their manufactured issues.

A lot of people don't care about anything, and nothing matters anyways lol. Just let whatever happens, happen. Who cares :steammocking:
最近の変更はsumolagannが行いました; 2023年12月25日 4時06分
you have 2 hours and 2 weeks to decide if you care about something enough not to support it...
ragefifty50 の投稿を引用:
you have 2 hours and 2 weeks to decide if you care about something enough not to support it...
Well, you see, the thing is that's just not enough for people any more. It used to be I would just return a product that turned out to be faulty and wouldn't give it a second thought. If it was bad enough, I would leave a negative review on the product and rethink purchasing anything similar from the manufacturer again. And that was the end of the story.

Not any more. Now, any little slight that someone feels is made out to be an attack of enormous atrocity against the individual and their entire family. It's not enough to simply return and leave a negative review. They must now stand atop the highest peak with their bullhorn and shout about the deepest levels of injury done against them.

It's not longer about being grown up enough to understand that someone may be better than you in a multiplayer match and offer them a gg for good play. Now someone gets swatted and some random guy gets shot on his front porch because someone lost a match.

It's no longer accepting the fact that a developer may have a certain vision for a mechanic in their game, hence why they made certain changes in an update, and it's something that a person just has to learn to adapt to and live with. Now it's hunting down the dev's personal information and doxxing them, then spewing threats against their wife and children.

And it's not like these are rare events perpetrated by mentally ill individuals. These are common occurrences orchestrated by otherwise normal individuals. Just look at the OP, and the lengths he has gone simply to brigade a game and the developers over an non-issue of his own manufacturing. It has gone beyond the pale. This sort of behavior reflects negatively upon the entire gaming community and industry as a whole. But their self-centered attitude does not allow them to see beyond their own personal affrontery.

This is why we can't have nice things in games and gaming communities. Because of individuals like the OP that make mountains out of the tiniest anthills and will not stop, no matter how ridiculous they make themselves look. If you want to talk about the source of ills in the industry, we have to look no further than the real reasons why this very thread was posted.
yeah... it gets a bit like that....
DRM - Yup, agreed, absolutely pointless since it has been proven that it doesn't even increase sales for having it, and not having it doesn't decrease sales either.

Region locking - Disagree, region locking helps keeps prices from being too high in many countries with a lower economy.

Astroturfing- Haven't seen this happen

Forum censorship- It happens from time to time, not enough to make a big deal out of it though.

Early access- disagree, you are being told it is in early access, you are told to buy the game because you find what is currently there is acceptable and worth the price.

Releasing unfinished garbage - Agree

DLC feedback loop- No idea what this even means

DLC that should have been in the full game - This amounts to cosmetic stuff, so I really can't bring myself to even care about this at all.

Malware in games - haven't ever seen this happen before.

Rootkits - Haven't ever seen this ever used with a game.

you forgot one really big one.

Lootbox gambling - any developer that uses loot boxes in their games are scum, and it is even worse if that developer allows selling of the stuff from the loot boxes since that abuses gambling addiction and causes gambling addiction among children and adults.
WolfEisberg の投稿を引用:
DRM - Yup, agreed, absolutely pointless since it has been proven that it doesn't even increase sales for having it, and not having it doesn't decrease sales either.

Region locking - Disagree, region locking helps keeps prices from being too high in many countries with a lower economy.

Astroturfing- Haven't seen this happen

Forum censorship- It happens from time to time, not enough to make a big deal out of it though.

Early access- disagree, you are being told it is in early access, you are told to buy the game because you find what is currently there is acceptable and worth the price.

Releasing unfinished garbage - Agree

DLC feedback loop- No idea what this even means

DLC that should have been in the full game - This amounts to cosmetic stuff, so I really can't bring myself to even care about this at all.

Malware in games - haven't ever seen this happen before.

Rootkits - Haven't ever seen this ever used with a game.

you forgot one really big one.

Lootbox gambling - any developer that uses loot boxes in their games are scum, and it is even worse if that developer allows selling of the stuff from the loot boxes since that abuses gambling addiction and causes gambling addiction among children and adults.
I do understand you are ideologically opposed to DRM but note that it is something that is often pushed by the legal department. Developers no longer use particularly nasty DRMs like low activation limits and kernel-mode DRMs that break with OS updates.
Dunno about this DRM-thing.
Do I have to worry about problems with token receiving with below 10 Mb/s internet speed? I only want to try SMT 3 or Persona game. They don't seem very demanding spec-wise.
Volfogg の投稿を引用:
Dunno about this DRM-thing.
Do I have to worry about problems with token receiving with below 10 Mb/s internet speed? I only want to try SMT 3 or Persona game. They don't seem very demanding spec-wise.
Denuvo DRM will activate just fine on a sketchy connection.
BJWyler 2023年12月26日 17時40分 
starbuck の投稿を引用:
AmsterdamHeavy の投稿を引用:

It doesnt matter. With EA youre not owed anything except a game that functions on the day you buy it.

Exactly, keep a game in EA for as long a they can, to remove them from all responsibilities like fixing stuff, updating, or even making sure it works. With the EA tag they can do wahtever the ♥♥♥♥ they want, u buy into something that they can 'work' on for decades if they so want. Look at Star Citizen lol, i believe theyve been at it for 5 decades by now and they are just milking it for all its worth without 'finishing' it so that our complaints and reports when stuff doesnt work will ahve to matter and be taken seriously. Untill then they can add or remvoe as they see fit.

This is the reason EA is being abused and there need to be a limit on how long it can run with the tag.
Star Citizen is not an Early Access game. And as much as I despise the the mismanagement and grifting of Roberts, it's still, ultimately the people who buy into the project that keep it alive, and keep it perpetually in Alpha state.

At the end of the day no one is being forced to buy a game with that big blue box on the store page. If you want a finished game that you can complain about, buy it without that big blue label on it.

There is only one person to blame if you expect anything than what you get at the moment of purchase of an EA title - and that's the person staring back at you when you look in a mirror.
starbuck の投稿を引用:
AmsterdamHeavy の投稿を引用:

It doesnt matter. With EA youre not owed anything except a game that functions on the day you buy it.

Exactly, keep a game in EA for as long a they can, to remove them from all responsibilities like fixing stuff, updating, or even making sure it works.
Non-Ea Devs are similarly freed from such responsibilities.

starbuck の投稿を引用:
With the EA tag they can do wahtever the ♥♥♥♥ they want, u buy into something that they can 'work' on for decades if they so want.
Just like a regular game. A developer can support and issue patches, updates, and content for decades.. or they can forget about it the moment they release it on the store,

starbuck の投稿を引用:
Look at Star Citizen lol, i believe theyve been at it for 5 decades by now and they are just milking it for all its worth without 'finishing' it so that our complaints and reports when stuff doesnt work will ahve to matter and be taken seriously. Untill then they can add or remvoe as they see fit.
Star Citizen has been enough of a joke. without the need for hyperbole,.. hough it's not an Early Access game. It's a crowdfunding game. SO entirely different system

starbuck の投稿を引用:
This is the reason EA is being abused and there need to be a limit on how long it can run with the tag.
Considering you haven't brought up anything that pplies uniquely to EA games.
As a player of Star Citizen, the fact someone thinks it's like Early Access? Kinda funny.

It's a crowd funded game, and yes I know it costs too much. But the flying is just soooo.... nnnnngggff!

People spend money on weird things, and I've no regrets if Star Citizen burns down tomorrow. I knew what I was getting into when bought ships to support it. Same way anyone should realized before buying an Early Access game...
you can remove region locking. idk how you think thats a bad one.

also astroturfing and forum censorship can be reduced to chat bans. the person whos obviously spamming the n word to be annoying is more valuable to me now then anyone who supports chat bans for any reason at this point. there is no buisness or game related reasons for it. its purely political activism and social engineering. astroturfing might have more to it but its not possible without bans for chat/words/speech.

the thing that blows my mind the most about speech censorship is you do it for 1 person for every 10 and a good 5 of those couldnt give a rats ass no matter what. 2 or 3 of them are very much agiasnt any and all bans for anyone that isnt explicitly asking for others to be banned. you get like half a person to 2 who will chime in for pro chat bans for insert almost always whatever plotical reason you can think of.

and before you go full ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and say most people are in favor of chat bans. most games who started doing chat bans have 1/3 of their player base and 1/2 of their player base during events if they are lucky. you only think that because most people just dont say anything or get banned for pointing it out. the player counts speak for themselves. blizzard being the case and point of why chat bans are bad. old school good blizzard would never have come to steam. old school good blizzard had no need of poaching users like a indie dev. overwatch and heroes of the storm forums are filled with posts complaining about match maker and blizzard literally bans you from playing the game because morons where offended after they got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at and they only got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at because they took the game hostage. if you are hontestly stuck in gold or silver in a blizzard game literally find a premade and youll be diamond.

i wish i was wrong about this im not.
Ethanol 2023年12月26日 19時50分 
I wish you can make a list about yourself, boy, you'll find yourself a total disappointment.
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