LMAO, Imagine being a Dev that cares about Smurfing.

[Exvalcore]

It's called skill issue, if a high lvl player likes stomping new players, that's totally fine, I think ranking systems in general shouldn't even exist & player names shouldn't be visible to the other player or team if you think it's an issue, players with skill aren't toxic it's the overall pi$$ poor design of overly completive games that are the real issue alongside ESports/any other sport, they are all toxic as F, not acknowledging you as the dev/sport is in fact the real issue of creating toxic behavior is what's so LMAO. Make a game that's actually respectable & you won't have such issues, no different than being labelled anti-consumer for having loot boxes, overprices skins with no real content of value that players don't even own, half baking digital BS which should exist either.

But no everyone enjoy the banwaves, as I see back & laugh at those playing games like those, I wouldn't be caught dead supporting BS like that, only support games that offer players real value & fun sportsmanship that doesn't promote toxicity.

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Publicado originalmente por D. Flame:

People with smurf accounts are the ones with skill issues, tbh. They can't hang with people of similar skill, so they go to bully noobies to make themselves feel better about being bad at the game.

They should just quit the game because no matter how many smurf accounts he opens he will reach a point where game is not fun anymore. And this kind of competitive games repeats way to much you wanna kill your self from boredom.

And matchmaking in some games are terrible you match with people stands at the top of the game even if they are not smurfing. Its usualy easy to see after 10 15 minutes you have no chance of winning and then you are gona have to suffer another 30 min because some idiot in your team with 0-10 score belives he can win.

I have mentioned before in this topic i gave a long break from valorant and there is no way for me to play with my skill level now because matchmaking doesnt alow me to drop my elo. Which is why game is litterly unplayable for me.

And i still chose to quit instead of opening another account because im not a scum

[Exvalcore]

This discussion have been very productive, with highly valued opinions if even incorrect overall, most sound like gatekeepers or those who lack skill & or are afraid to challenge skillful opponents out of their league, lucky for them these are video games, if some outclasses you in real life be it a day job or anything else your likely the one sitting at the bottom of the hill watching the smurfs be the ones getting ahead in life. I'm not one of those smurfs but I can at least appreciate the hustle, but that's just my opinion take of it what you will.

[The nameless Gamer]

If you wanted a Jester award, you should have at least tried to be funny. Smurfing in a game is just pathetic, and so is defending it. Edit: Smurfing says two things about the one doing it:
1) I can't win against actually good players so I have to stoop down to kicking around players who are just learning the game.
2) I'm a sadistic jerk who enjoys ruining other people's fun.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por Exvalcore:

This discussion have been very productive, with highly valued opinions if even incorrect overall, most sound like gatekeepers or those who lack skill & or are afraid to challenge skillful opponents out of their league, lucky for them these are video games, if some outclasses you in real life be it a day job or anything else your likely the one sitting at the bottom of the hill watching the smurfs be the ones getting ahead in life. I'm not one of those smurfs but I can at least appreciate the hustle, but that's just my opinion take of it what you will.

You're the one abusing the matchmaking system to beat new players thus ruiningtheir experience all because you need some sort of ego boost and we're the ones with skill issues?

I can only hope that all devs implement measures that are already in DoTA, which ban smurf accounts permanently almost the instant they're created.

Disagreeing with you does not make us incorrect, either.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por Exvalcore:

This discussion have been very productive, with highly valued opinions if even incorrect overall, most sound like gatekeepers or those who lack skill & or are afraid to challenge skillful opponents out of their league, lucky for them these are video games, if some outclasses you in real life be it a day job or anything else your likely the one sitting at the bottom of the hill watching the smurfs be the ones getting ahead in life. I'm not one of those smurfs but I can at least appreciate the hustle, but that's just my opinion take of it what you will.

No one's afraid to challenge appointments outside of those who refuse to play opponents equal to their level by purposefully staying in lower ranks.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

I actually agree. This is seriously not a problem even in ranked matches. Formal competition needs to care about personal recognition but not anyone else. You go into games with variable skill levels, thats how it work when you get random games. There's no logical basis that people will suddenly quit playing the game because one or two players are above the skill level of those around them or a short time. See TF2 for my example. Some companies are just obsessed with their precious little ladder system to the degree it becomes less a point of pride to work for but instead some kind of enforced title you must be placed into and accept.

I remember something that SethSsthntac said in regards to I belive warframe. He didn't bother trying to rank up anymore because the upper levels of that competition are boring and overly complex. He likes the lower ranks and for many that is the case. In the lower ranks they can relax and just play without caring much, even if their instincts are a bit more honed. And some fools act like that desire is some kind of exostential threat that must be removed like it's financial fraud or hacking the game. Hell the fact a lot of games treat it as functionally the same as hacking is just case in point.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Exvalcore:

This discussion have been very productive, with highly valued opinions if even incorrect overall, most sound like gatekeepers or those who lack skill & or are afraid to challenge skillful opponents out of their league, lucky for them these are video games, if some outclasses you in real life be it a day job or anything else your likely the one sitting at the bottom of the hill watching the smurfs be the ones getting ahead in life. I'm not one of those smurfs but I can at least appreciate the hustle, but that's just my opinion take of it what you will.

You're the one abusing the matchmaking system to beat new players thus ruiningtheir experience all because you need some sort of ego boost and we're the ones with skill issues?

I can only hope that all devs implement measures that are already in DoTA, which ban smurf accounts permanently almost the instant they're created.

Disagreeing with you does not make us incorrect, either.

How do you know why he's making new accounts. You seem to be making an assumption on his person or the users who make mulitiple accounts. How do you know anyone motivation? They could simply not enjoy playing in the demanded complexity of the upper ranks, dislike the community within those ranks and not want to play with that group of players, they may want to see how far they can rank in a short time, they may want to try unfamiliar strategies in a new environment or see different combination and tactics not commonly used in the ladder rating he's in.

You have this malicious assumption in your head and clearly haven't bothered considering any reasoning beyond that ignorant and insulting prejudgement. A ladder system is support to be a point of pride to complete to obtain for self-betterment and your own sense of accomplishment, not a title the developers places on you to decide who you do and don't get to play with. Games that only function right when I play with who the devs want me to play with are not functional multiplayer games.

No I'm not picking on you specifically, there's a lo of people who have this ridiculous assumption and use it to slander anyone who has or makes alternate accounts. It's a serious overreaction. And remember, you said yourself you want it treated in the same vein as hacking, an instant and full ban. I hope I dont need to explain to you putting hacking and smurfing anywhere close to the same group is beyond unreasonable

[The nameless Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

I actually agree. This is seriously not a problem even in ranked matches. Formal competition needs to care about personal recognition but not anyone else. You go into games with variable skill levels, thats how it work when you get random games. There's no logical basis that people will suddenly quit playing the game because one or two players are above the skill level of those around them or a short time. See TF2 for my example. Some companies are just obsessed with their precious little ladder system to the degree it becomes less a point of pride to work for but instead some kind of enforced title you must be placed into and accept.

I remember something that SethSsthntac said in regards to I belive warframe. He didn't bother trying to rank up anymore because the upper levels of that competition are boring and overly complex. He likes the lower ranks and for many that is the case. In the lower ranks they can relax and just play without caring much, even if their instincts are a bit more honed. And some fools act like that desire is some kind of exostential threat that must be removed like it's financial fraud or hacking the game. Hell the fact a lot of games treat it as functionally the same as hacking is just case in point.

I wonder if you would sing a different tune if you tried playing a fighting game or highly competitive RTS game against a person with more knowledge. How far would button mashing get you against a player who has excellent spacing, timing and execution on top of knowing which move has more priority, which one has invincible frames, knows block strings in and out while you didn't even memorize the entire list of special moves?
Or in terms of RTS, how much would you learn when several minutes into the game you are facing two-prong harassment while you are still casually contemplating which unit to build and still barely have an idea what which unit does... against a player who has the first 10 minutes of the match ALREADY planned and is executing everything with a highly efficient APM count.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

I actually agree. This is seriously not a problem even in ranked matches. Formal competition needs to care about personal recognition but not anyone else. You go into games with variable skill levels, thats how it work when you get random games. There's no logical basis that people will suddenly quit playing the game because one or two players are above the skill level of those around them or a short time. See TF2 for my example. Some companies are just obsessed with their precious little ladder system to the degree it becomes less a point of pride to work for but instead some kind of enforced title you must be placed into and accept.

I remember something that SethSsthntac said in regards to I belive warframe. He didn't bother trying to rank up anymore because the upper levels of that competition are boring and overly complex. He likes the lower ranks and for many that is the case. In the lower ranks they can relax and just play without caring much, even if their instincts are a bit more honed. And some fools act like that desire is some kind of exostential threat that must be removed like it's financial fraud or hacking the game. Hell the fact a lot of games treat it as functionally the same as hacking is just case in point.

I wonder if you would sing a different tune if you tried playing a fighting game or highly competitive RTS game against a person with more knowledge. How far would button mashing get you against a player who has excellent spacing, timing and execution on top of knowing which move has more priority, which one has invincible frames, knows block strings in and out while you didn't even memorize the entire list of special moves?
Or in terms of RTS, how much would you learn when several minutes into the game you are facing two-prong harassment while you are still casually contemplating which unit to build and still barely have an idea what which unit does... against a player who has the first 10 minutes of the match ALREADY planned and is executing everything with a highly efficient APM count.

Ah the classic, assuming my experiences. No I totally didnt play on Starcraft where I never knew what grade of skill I was playing against and didn't care because that's not how games work. Not tabletop games, not videogames, nor any kind of games. Sometimes you walk into a competitive environment and you get schooled by that guy that's better than you. That's how it works and always will be how all games must work. The player decides on his own will what community and level he wants to play at, not the developers by using of placing a title on you.

But since I did just yesterday lose a game of supreme commander to a friend of mine in the first 10 minutes I'll answer you with a practical example. I reconsidered m game, got some water, played out the match in my mind(and remember the end-game stats) and realized he had tripled my income and every item on his island was mined out. I learned that the more isolated economic builds that worked in campaign will not fly in a human match, I need to be more willing to expand out and apply patrol routes to wider more responsive areas. I lacked confidence to expand and will that confidence take time to obtain? Of course, but it doesnt mean the game was some miserable nothing.

Edit: Quick reminder: If you get put in ranked with a community you dislike because players in that ranking play a way you don't find fun, are you suppose to just sit there and sit and take i risking constant report of sabotage and resulting punishment? You know, the broken little community rating system Dota 2 runs? But I guess I'll add that to the list of reasons to use new accounts that definitley doesn't exist

[The nameless Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

I wonder if you would sing a different tune if you tried playing a fighting game or highly competitive RTS game against a person with more knowledge. How far would button mashing get you against a player who has excellent spacing, timing and execution on top of knowing which move has more priority, which one has invincible frames, knows block strings in and out while you didn't even memorize the entire list of special moves?
Or in terms of RTS, how much would you learn when several minutes into the game you are facing two-prong harassment while you are still casually contemplating which unit to build and still barely have an idea what which unit does... against a player who has the first 10 minutes of the match ALREADY planned and is executing everything with a highly efficient APM count.

Ah the classic, assuming my experiences. No I totally didnt play on Starcraft where I never knew what grade of skill I was playing against and didn't care because that's not how games work. Not tabletop games, not videogames, nor any kind of games. Sometimes you walk into a competitive environment and you get schooled by that guy that's better than you. That's how it works and always will be how all games must work. The player decides on his own will what community and level he wants to play at, not the developers by using of placing a title on you.

But since I did just yesterday lose a game of supreme commander to a friend of mine in the first 10 minutes I'll answer you with a practical example. I reconsidered m game, got some water, played out the match in my mind(and remember the end-game stats) and realized he had tripled my income and every item on his island was mined out. I learned that the more isolated economic builds that worked in campaign will not fly in a human match, I need to be more willing to expand out and apply patrol routes to wider more responsive areas. I lacked confidence to expand and will that confidence take time to obtain? Of course, but it doesnt mean the game was some miserable nothing.

That means your example is a game against someone SLIGHTLY better than you. That is not smurfing. I am referring to skill differences where people are playing without even knowing that build orders are a thing against players who know the build orders, the map layouts, the ETA of their units to various destinations...

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

Ah the classic, assuming my experiences. No I totally didnt play on Starcraft where I never knew what grade of skill I was playing against and didn't care because that's not how games work. Not tabletop games, not videogames, nor any kind of games. Sometimes you walk into a competitive environment and you get schooled by that guy that's better than you. That's how it works and always will be how all games must work. The player decides on his own will what community and level he wants to play at, not the developers by using of placing a title on you.

But since I did just yesterday lose a game of supreme commander to a friend of mine in the first 10 minutes I'll answer you with a practical example. I reconsidered m game, got some water, played out the match in my mind(and remember the end-game stats) and realized he had tripled my income and every item on his island was mined out. I learned that the more isolated economic builds that worked in campaign will not fly in a human match, I need to be more willing to expand out and apply patrol routes to wider more responsive areas. I lacked confidence to expand and will that confidence take time to obtain? Of course, but it doesnt mean the game was some miserable nothing.

That means your example is a game against someone SLIGHTLY better than you. That is not smurfing. I am referring to skill differences where people are playing without even knowing that build orders are a thing against players who know the build orders, the map layouts, the ETA of their units to various destinations...

No the player beat me before I got to tier 2, he rubbed my face in the dirt quite hard. It wasn't a battle it was a stomp. I got over severe anxiety to play a game against someone who has hundreds of hours when I haven't even finished a singe campaign. Again, you don't know my experiences and you would be wiser to stop assuming you do. I've been stomped many times before entering random matches, it hasn't changed my mind.

[The nameless Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

That means your example is a game against someone SLIGHTLY better than you. That is not smurfing. I am referring to skill differences where people are playing without even knowing that build orders are a thing against players who know the build orders, the map layouts, the ETA of their units to various destinations...

No the player beat me before I got to tier 2, he rubbed my face in the dirt quite hard. It wasn't a battle it was a stomp. I got over severe anxiety to play a game against someone who has hundreds of hours when I haven't even finished a singe campaign. Again, you don't know my experiences and you would be wiser to stop assuming you do. I've been stomped many times before entering random matches, it hasn't changed my mind.

I HAD your experiences when I played Dawn of War II, because the matchmaking was flawed. And not only your experience, I had the opposite kind as well. Neither was fun. It was a waste of time either way. If I got stomped, the match was just a waste of time because I just lost it without knowing why. If I was the one stomping, it was also a waste of time because it was a match where I learned nothing. Matching players of SIMILAR skill level is beneficial.

[Gökyüzü]

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

Publicado originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

I actually agree. This is seriously not a problem even in ranked matches. Formal competition needs to care about personal recognition but not anyone else. You go into games with variable skill levels, thats how it work when you get random games. There's no logical basis that people will suddenly quit playing the game because one or two players are above the skill level of those around them or a short time. See TF2 for my example. Some companies are just obsessed with their precious little ladder system to the degree it becomes less a point of pride to work for but instead some kind of enforced title you must be placed into and accept.

I remember something that SethSsthntac said in regards to I belive warframe. He didn't bother trying to rank up anymore because the upper levels of that competition are boring and overly complex. He likes the lower ranks and for many that is the case. In the lower ranks they can relax and just play without caring much, even if their instincts are a bit more honed. And some fools act like that desire is some kind of exostential threat that must be removed like it's financial fraud or hacking the game. Hell the fact a lot of games treat it as functionally the same as hacking is just case in point.

I wonder if you would sing a different tune if you tried playing a fighting game or highly competitive RTS game against a person with more knowledge. How far would button mashing get you against a player who has excellent spacing, timing and execution on top of knowing which move has more priority, which one has invincible frames, knows block strings in and out while you didn't even memorize the entire list of special moves?
Or in terms of RTS, how much would you learn when several minutes into the game you are facing two-prong harassment while you are still casually contemplating which unit to build and still barely have an idea what which unit does... against a player who has the first 10 minutes of the match ALREADY planned and is executing everything with a highly efficient APM count.

Thats excaly the main problem with mk11.
Who ever has more knowedge and experience wins the game. And at high elo like 20-30k ranks( this ranks goes up 3m and more) every single match is one sided. You either crush or get crushed. Sure if you also have alot of experience you can have fun in that games even when you lose. But luckly people dont smurf in fighting games because it is insanely boring fighting againts a new players it is same as practicing combos againts a dumy.
And trust me button mash can still get them preaty far its basicly every scorpion and subzero player in the game. A new player cant possibly hope to beat scorpion and subzero so they join them to even the ods its kind a sad realy because once you gain enough experience you farm them every game

[Ethanol]

Yea, because it harms the game's integrity, why are you smurfing? Just play at your designated rank bracket.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Publicado originalmente por Ethanol:

Yea, because it harms the game's integrity, why are you smurfing? Just play at your designated rank bracket.

How? How does choosing what community and group to play besides rather than just only playing with whoever the devs assign you do harm the "integrity" of the game. What even is "the integrity," can you even define that? If you're going to use propoganda at least define it. And care to explain how any harm to the game can be greater than the dev outright ordering who and what community you can and cannot play with in an online game?