Am I the only one who thinks valve is pretty terrible at making a 'whole package' game?

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

I want to preface by saying these 3 games are CLOSE to being amazing, but there ALWAYS has to be something massively screwed up with their games.

Dota 2 has the worthless social credit score that has helped 0 people, made 0 people improve their behavior and actually; if anything, just encourages sociopaths to play so they can hurt people into the future with their report (name another game that lets sociopaths hurt people into the future, you literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cant name a game that does this other than dota).

TF2 has random crits which help no one and just add ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ into the game.

CS2 will likely always have zero new maps coming out given CSGOs map release schedule (or lack thereof). We have the same maps weve been playing on for the past 20 years.. meanwhile every single other AAA FPS game gets new maps CONSTANTLY to keep the game fresh.

Not to mention subtic screws up the game so amazingly hard like giving people ~1 second EXTRA peekers advantage than what they would have had in CSGO. Literally today I peeked out, walked back behind a brick wall while shooting and got a kill on someone thru about 15 feet of concrete.

And my super beautiful knife I worked hard to get, in CSGO was sapphire, a gorgeous purple color. Now its not even purple? Like.. ???? Some muddy blue. It looks like I have some doppler phase instead of the knife I actually bought on purpose to match the color of my gloves.

Honestly Im losing faith in Valve entirely. This type of ♥♥♥♥ makes me want to straight give up gaming all together.

Games have really taken a nose dive into mediocrity as of late. Pretty sad Halo 2 was likely the last truly 'god tier' game I will ever play and that game came out soooooo long ago.

SMH.

So depressing.

[BJWyler]

There is no such thing as a "complete package" game. Personally, I think both Portal games are pretty complete, but I am sure that there will be someone who disagrees.

The thing is, you have to remember that gaming is a subjective form of entertainment, and as such, you will never be able to have something that feels complete or pleases everyone who is playing.

I have over a thousand games in my various libraries. Not a single one is flawless, nor a "complete package". But the thing is, they don't need to be. All I care about is that they give me value for my money. The vast majority of them do, and that's all that counts.

[ReBoot]

Play different games, problem solved. I, for example, consider the whole CS series a colossal waste of time with a ridiculous joke of recoil "simulation". So I play something else, problem sovled.

[invision2212]

Portal 2 was dope

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Początkowo opublikowane przez BJWyler:

There is no such thing as a "complete package" game. Personally, I think both Portal games are pretty complete, but I am sure that there will be someone who disagrees.

The thing is, you have to remember that gaming is a subjective form of entertainment, and as such, you will never be able to have something that feels complete or pleases everyone who is playing.

I have over a thousand games in my various libraries. Not a single one is flawless, nor a "complete package". But the thing is, they don't need to be. All I care about is that they give me value for my money. The vast majority of them do, and that's all that counts.

I hear you, its just supremely depressing to watch games that COULD BE truly god tier be tarnished by some half baked ideas or simple corporate greed.

Like CS2. We could have 128 tic servers and everyone would be over the moon with how amazing the game is. Not like valve cant afford it when they get what.. 15 MILLION dollars passive income from the steam market *ALONE*. Instead they give us some half baked 'subtic' ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just warps the game and makes wonky stuff happen like giving people much more peekers advantage and letting people shoot through walls.

Its like if I want a game to be truly great I have to literally become a coder and make it myself.

S M H.

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ReBoot:

Play different games, problem solved. I, for example, consider the whole CS series a colossal waste of time with a ridiculous joke of recoil "simulation". So I play something else, problem sovled.

I like competitive games though. Have you found any hidden gem competitive games?

Every game has some huge flaw. I was curious about Tarkov till I learned how its infested with hackers. Its always something.

Maybe its time to just retire this hobby and smash my computer. ♥♥♥♥ it.

[ReBoot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ReBoot:

Play different games, problem solved. I, for example, consider the whole CS series a colossal waste of time with a ridiculous joke of recoil "simulation". So I play something else, problem sovled.

I like competitive games though. Have you found any hidden gem competitive games?

Does it have to be a hidden gem? Apex Legends seems to be popular AF and looks good at a quick glance. Haven't played SPECIFICALLY Apex myself, I've spent my fair share of time in Titanfall 2 though which has pretty much the same movement/gun mechanics which are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awesome! My personal favorites in that regard are Quake Live/Champions though. I still wish they had not included all that kids-nowadays-need-that-crap in Quake Champions, it still works fine as a game though.

Leaving the FPS genre, what about StarCraft 2? There's also racing games that can be played and are being played online. I am not familiar with that genre, I'm sure a bit of research would yield good results though.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Are you the only one? probably not. Doesn't make you right though

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

I like competitive games though. Have you found any hidden gem competitive games?

Does it have to be a hidden gem? Apex Legends seems to be popular AF and looks good at a quick glance. My personal favorites in that regard are Quake Live/Champions.

Leaving the FPS genre, what about StarCraft 2? There's also racing games that can be played and are being played online. I am not familiar with that genre, I'm sure a bit of research would yield good results though.

Maybe I should get quake live Im honestly curious about that one thanks man.

SC2's microing multiple units aint for me lols. Thats why I play dota because theres only 1 or 2 units to control not 500 + building + base management, etc. lols.

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Malfunctioning Robot:

Are you the only one? probably not. Doesn't make you right though

Let me ask you this, if people were in the discussion page of your game talking for TEN YEARS about how a certain part of your game was screwed up, would you just ignore them for TEN YEARS?

Im not even talking 1 single thread on the subject. Im talking multiple threads on the front page EVERY DAY for a DECADE.

At what point does this become ridiculous and embarrassing?

ESPECIALLY when this part of the game effects 100% of the people who play it.

[ReBoot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ReBoot:

Does it have to be a hidden gem? Apex Legends seems to be popular AF and looks good at a quick glance. My personal favorites in that regard are Quake Live/Champions.

Leaving the FPS genre, what about StarCraft 2? There's also racing games that can be played and are being played online. I am not familiar with that genre, I'm sure a bit of research would yield good results though.

Maybe I should get quake live Im honestly curious about that one thanks man.

SC2's microing multiple units aint for me lols. Thats why I play dota because theres only 1 or 2 units to control not 500 + building + base management, etc. lols.

Well, it's not like there were no RTS with less focus on micro-management. C&C springs to mind, it's a rightfully popular RTS series with that remastered collection offering a) some incredible value (talking campaigns here) and b) a multiplayer mode.

I've mentioned SC2 because it's the most popular RTS AFAIK, not the only one.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malfunctioning Robot:

Are you the only one? probably not. Doesn't make you right though

Let me ask you this, if people were in the discussion page of your game talking for TEN YEARS about how a certain part of your game was screwed up, would you just ignore them for TEN YEARS?

Im not even talking 1 single thread on the subject. Im talking multiple threads on the front page EVERY DAY for a DECADE.

At what point does this become ridiculous and embarrassing?

ESPECIALLY when this part of the game effects 100% of the people who play it.

If they keep playing, then yes. talk is cheap, actions speak louder. And gamers are notoriously idiotic in their complaining.

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malfunctioning Robot:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Let me ask you this, if people were in the discussion page of your game talking for TEN YEARS about how a certain part of your game was screwed up, would you just ignore them for TEN YEARS?

Im not even talking 1 single thread on the subject. Im talking multiple threads on the front page EVERY DAY for a DECADE.

At what point does this become ridiculous and embarrassing?

ESPECIALLY when this part of the game effects 100% of the people who play it.

If they keep playing, then yes. talk is cheap, actions speak louder. And gamers are notoriously idiotic in their complaining.

Feedback isnt offensive. True friends give feedback to each other.

Answer the question, though. People complain about the same issue for multiple times per day for A DECADE: Do you fix the problem or just let them talk into the wind?

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malfunctioning Robot:

If they keep playing, then yes. talk is cheap, actions speak louder. And gamers are notoriously idiotic in their complaining.

Feedback isnt offensive. True friends give feedback to each other.

Answer the question, though. People complain about the same issue for multiple times per day for A DECADE: Do you fix the problem or just let them talk into the wind?

I did answer the question. If they keep playing then its not a problem I need to worry about. Their talk is ignorable as long as they keep playing. Let them talk, talk is cheap.

[P R O P H Y L A X I S]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malfunctioning Robot:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Prophylaxis:

Feedback isnt offensive. True friends give feedback to each other.

Answer the question, though. People complain about the same issue for multiple times per day for A DECADE: Do you fix the problem or just let them talk into the wind?

I did answer the question. If they keep playing then its not a problem I need to worry about. Their talk is ignorable as long as they keep playing. Let them talk, talk is cheap.

So people who do an activity have opinions that dont mean anything?

What a weird point of view.

Lol where else would this point of view make sense?

Hey chef, I ate your sammich but this could be improved:

"NEENER NEENER I CANT HEAR YOUUUUUU"

Feedback is literally how things get better. Feedback helps a lot. Thats why people who are your friends give feedback. And when someone NEVER gives you feedback they are probably a ♥♥♥♥ friend.

Feedback has never and will never be offensive or rude. Sure you can give feedback in a poor way but its still obviously better to have people give feedback than pretend NO ONE has a valid opinion OR good ideas so long as they just play your game.

ESPECIALLY when the devs at valve are saying things like 'wut do you mean high refresh rate monitors matter for FPS games, are you sureeee that matters'? Like.. how clueless can a dev be? lol.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Welcome to reality, where the metric for whether a problem is a problem is not how loud people complain, but whether they actually take other actions on it.

Pretty much applies to literally everything in life. There's a reason talk doesn't get ANYTHING done in any aspect of life.

Laws, policies, engineering. Talk doesn't change them. Hell most of them don't change unless they affect someones bottom line because people aren't paying or people start dying.

You can not like it, but thats how the world works.