Why do most popular forums/social media sites (including Steam) tolerate left-wing opinions but not right wing?

[mz]

Basically title.

Whenever someone posts something ridiculously left-wing, such as absurd first-world problems like "I don't feel represented in this game, add LGBTQ+ content!" the threads/OPs are usually left alone. However, should someone post a thread/comment that goes against this idea (or similar left-wing views), that person gets warned/banned/generally punished in some way more commonly than if it was a leftist opinion.

Please don't make the argument of "oh the right wingers are usually way more toxic or use harsher words" as I don't think it's true. Both parties throw around stupid buzzwords such as ♥♥♥♥/trans/...-phobic and the f-/n-/...words (obviously can't say them here, duh). And no, the latter are not any more offensive than the former. Both are insulting in their meaning for the respective party, so I think either all or none of those buzzwords should be allowed.

It's honestly tiring not being able to express your opinion freely (of course within reason) without having to worry about stupid consequences because of biases. I think that "Add more xyz content" and "I am tired of xyz content being added" are equally valid statements to make, and one isn't more acceptable than the other. Some websites are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ left-wing echochamber. Some games are starting to become that way too. I'm sure most wouldn't call it left, but to me adding features such as censorship in the chat (in an M-rated game? Are you gonna cry when someone says f*ck?) or recording voice chat to "improve quality and ban toxic people" is extremely dumb. If you give people the option to mute others, why censor/record on top of it? Toxic people will be toxic in one way or another, and I think that recording voice chat puts more good people off from using it due to privacy concerns than it prevents toxic people from being toxic, but that's a topic for another day.

I don't understand why discussion from one side is tolerated less than from the other; a healthy exchange of discussions just promotes growth, and both sides learn from it. And, in my experience, dividing both sides like this actually causes more harm than good, as when people do get the opportunity to exchange opinions, it often results in a heated discussion so the people can feel heard without being censored immediately.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[Zarineth]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zarineth:

How are political discussions on gaming forums worth it?

They're not, but as it is with anything else it is merely an exchange of opinions. I don't see the difference between talking about religion or how to kill the boss in a game. It's just people talking to each other, which in my opinion is the point of a forum. Yeah, it should be on topic, but if you veer off from time to time I don't see it as necessarily bad under the condition that it remains civilized.

But political discussions is by definition off-topic on gaming forums. What {insert current war}, {insert inner politics of random country}, {insert ideology}, {insert religion} have to do with gaming?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

merely an exchange of opinions

There's a difference between "your fav game sux" and "you should go to hell because of your ethnicity/beliefs/sexual preferences". Besides, the former is sold here, the latter are not.

^This.

Context matters, and how they're related to things, not every-one/place will accept off topics, or things that has no place in their place.

[Crazy Tiger]

From what I've seen on the forums here they tolerate both "sides". It does seem that the "right" more often results in insults and the like, so they're more likely to get hit with punishments.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I personally don't think any of it should be on Steam.

Agreed.

[mz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zarineth:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

They're not, but as it is with anything else it is merely an exchange of opinions. I don't see the difference between talking about religion or how to kill the boss in a game. It's just people talking to each other, which in my opinion is the point of a forum. Yeah, it should be on topic, but if you veer off from time to time I don't see it as necessarily bad under the condition that it remains civilized.

But political discussions is by definition off-topic on gaming forums. What {insert current war}, {insert inner politics of random country}, {insert ideology}, {insert religion} have to do with gaming?

You're absolutely correct, they have nothing in common with gaming. But if we were to apply your logic in a strict manner, then we should get rid of all the groups that are based on country or other communities (e.g. the massively popular Hentai group) for example as they don't belong here either.

You need to have some leeway as to what you allow and what you don't, and people will be people. They will ALWAYS discuss religion, politics, stuff that generally doesn't belong. It's easier if it's done in a civilized manner than to just employ people to keep the forums clean of it 24/7. Do you really care if you see a political thread? If you're not interested you can simply look past it, it's that simple.

[Crazy Tiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

if it's done in a civilized manner

Which is the main problem with such subjects. People don't stay civil. Heck, people nowadays seem to have major difficulties accepting a "no" or different opinion alltogether.

[mz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crazy Tiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

if it's done in a civilized manner

Which is the main problem with such subjects. People don't stay civil. Heck, people nowadays seem to have major difficulties accepting a "no" or different opinion alltogether.

Correct again. The latter point is the reason why I think it should be allowed, otherwise people will just never develop past being spoiled crybabies, and I think that's a sad reality to live in.

Tolerate civilized discussion, get rid of immature comments. If you're uninterested, just look past. Best of both worlds, don't you think?

[Pscht]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

we should get rid of all the groups that are based on country or other communities (e.g. the massively popular Hentai group) for example as they don't belong here either.

Are you trying to rules-lawyer here? A group of LIKE-MINDED people bonding over a common interest (if legal) in a private space is also not the same as going to a public forum and trying to rile up others.

[mz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

Are you trying to rules-lawyer here? A group of LIKE-MINDED people bonding over a common interest (if legal) is also not the same as going to a public forum and trying to rile up others.

Rules-lawyer?

Where'd you get riling up others from?

[wesnef]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย brian9824:

It's as simple as HOW they communicate. The topic is less important then HOW you communicate it, and some can't use the forums without attacking others which leads to threads being closed

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[Тропами Старых Историй]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

Why do most popular forums/social media sites (including Steam) tolerate left-wing opinions but not right wing?

Answer is simple, cause this is left wing ecosystem.

[Aachen]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย wkchoo:

Answer is simple, cause this is left wing ecosystem.

Most birds have both, actually.

[Mad Scientist]

left, right and other content are acted upon.

-What one says & how they say it can determine action.
-Intentionally baiting or flamebaiting differing opinions can determine action.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย wkchoo:

Answer is simple, cause this is left wing ecosystem.

OT only has a few of such, usually very vocal people but Valve itself, takes action on either depending on what's going on, who reports what, if the content violates rules or not.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crazy Tiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mz:

if it's done in a civilized manner

Which is the main problem with such subjects. People don't stay civil. Heck, people nowadays seem to have major difficulties accepting a "no" or different opinion alltogether.

I have seen both "sides" politically, claim on the forum Steam or Valve itself is anti-this or anti-that side. Realistically, it's just the people aren't being civil, are intentionally trying to create or continue arguments, or do other rule breaking behavior. So the definite issue is some people on any side of anything not being civil, whereas others are fine as long as they're within the rules.

There are some in OT as example, that the moment there is disagreement, attacks/insults fly around crazily by the person they disagree with, they get moderated, then they inevitably complain about moderation denying the way they behaved was the reason for it, and that their other-side-party is responsible, while yet-again name-calling their mere simply belief opposition, only to get moderated yet-again. Some just don't want to be civil to those that may appear to, or that do have, a different opinion.

[The Commendatore]

tl;dr please...

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I personally don't think any of it should be on Steam.

This though 110%.

[Mad Scientist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย The Commendatore:

tl;dr please...

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I personally don't think any of it should be on Steam.

This though 110%.

Yeah, the removal of the "No Politics" bit was extremely unwise. They should just keep it as a disallowed thing since this is a gaming platform. Plenty of other places for people to discuss such things.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย The Commendatore:

tl;dr please...

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I personally don't think any of it should be on Steam.

This though 110%.

Op is bother by people making posts asking for LGBTQ+ added content, or people demanding censorship in games, and etc... And if agure against said people them it turns into a left vs right wing.

That the short of it.