roflmao, really steam wont work for 7 in 2 months?

[cryofreeze666]

first things first what good is that going to do? not like valve had a program that worked with windows from the beginning. can't count how many times in the past that trying to turn off my computer i couldn't even force a computer shutdown because of steam. then you have the games that plain just don't work, and the games that in order to get them to work you have to jump through unreasonable hoops to get to work. so how is that all going to change, if i downgrade to the windows10/ 11 program that is so full of bloatware it won't matter how much money i've spent on a phone or computer the program wastes resources. switching operating systems, leaves me extremely skeptical, if they can't get their program to run smoothly in one format, how am i to believe it will run smoothly in another?
see i'm not a teenager who says what can you do about it, i want to be entertained now. i'm an adult that says, hey they have my money for past purchases, now their trying to take them away. that equates to nothing more than theft. if i can't use them, they need to figure out a way to refund my money or make them accessable. that is their responsibility since they chose this format to sell games in. not my responsibility to keep spending money in order to keep games i purchased over time. that equates to extortion. see why i hate this format for gaming, they hold your recreational investments hostage. some people may think that is ok, when it's extortion plain and simple.
you can say "advancement of technology" all you want, but i'm not young enough or dumb enough to believe that. the only advancement i will guess is the lines that identify the o.s., i doubt they'll have changed anything else. and the red line doesn't say it wont support windows7 it says it won't run, which means discriminatory business practice.
now i wonder how many people are going to run to steams protection? politely flaming me for refusing to buy a newer version of windows. the same basic program with updated drivers. who will make comments about me being cheap, or poor, or "unenlightened"? i just refuse to allow anyone to extort money from me. those of you lacking in life experience, won't be able to see the extortion. those lacking in programming experience, who don't understand that binary code is, and until another primary language is created, the only language for hardware. binary is what the other codes translate to. because hardware is full of switches, 1's ans 0's for open and closed. if someone tries to tell me that upgrading my operating system, allows for a better picture from a graphics card, that is completely ridiculous. the operating system doesn't controls that. i know that is why the manufacturer of the hardware create drivers. windows is just using planned obsolescence, to keep the newer hardware from being used with older operating systems. not because of programming incompatibility, it's because microsoft decided which hardware each version would allowed to be compatible with.
in 5 years time microsoft will decide which new hardware wont be compatible with 10/ 11. this new operating system crap every so often is relatively new, 4 separate versions have occurred from xp pro (in my opinion microsoft's best) which was supported for longer than any 2 of the last 4 systems after it ( vista, 7, 8, 10/ 11). is 11 even a thing? i haven't seen it advertised by itself yet, just as an update for 10. hell i was actually buying and loading xp pro into computers when 8 started being sold. microsoft was still supporting it as well so if we look at it because of the crap microsoft pulled with the vista garbage, it took them almost 15 years to start making obsolete programs. so tell me, how does making a program that is unreliable at best. how does it become more reliable removing access?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису kitty:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

they are OK with you removing their DRM if a developer uses it.

I've mentioned already few times we're talking about DRM FREE GAMES, there are no DRM to be removed because developer doesn't use it. steam API looks for steam because it needs achievements and other integration, not because it's DRM. it fails to run because it exits with error, not because of protection.

If the game is DRM free, it doesn't need Steam to run.

[Shenorai]

Honestly, it's a damn shame that despite the countdown going on for nearly 200 days as of this post, there are no plans to create a Legacy client.

I'm not even expecting that said client to access things like the achievement lists or the community market. I'm merely disappointed that despite the fact that the games I have installed on my Win7 laptop still function just fine, I will suddenly lose access to those games on that laptop in 77 days from this post.


Granted: I do have a PC that accesses Win10, so I will still be using Steam regardless. With that disclaimer aside, my older laptop will not meet the specifications to take on Win10 and quite frankly, my broke ass won't be able to upgrade/replace that laptop.

Now if I could use another client like GOG to directly access the games already installed on my laptop, that would be another story entirely and I would have no bones to pick here. However, my attempts to use GOG to launch a Steam game results in GOG opening up Steam to run it. Kinda defeats the object of the exercise.

Hell, I got Steam in the first place because at the time, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim required Steam to run. In 77 days as of this post, I won't even be able to play that on my laptop, despite the game being around longer than my laptop has.


We already have the means to specify if a game can play on a specific OS.
We already have the means to list the minimum as well as ideal specifications per game.
We already have those occasional surveys that pop up asking to collect our system data [OS, Graphics Card, RAM, etc. etc.] to send back to Steam.

I am curious how many other users still utilize Win7 as I do .If a Legacy launcher isn't on the cards, how about a 'Lite' launcher that just lets you download and play what is already in your library? No Store, no Community, hell, I wouldn't even mind having no Achievements to chase. It wouldn't be much different from essentially being in Offline mode.
This could even be the launcher that could be accessed via GOG instead of the full launcher with the Store, Community, etc. intact, if Steam reached out to make some new deals with them. It's not like it's a lost customer if they already bought a Steam game to access via another launcher.

It'd be a lot to ask for a client that not only detects which OS it is installed upon, but simply disallows players from downloading specific games if they cannot meet the specifications of that game. Not just of Steam developers to code that, but of every game developer to go through and make sure their games are flagged accordingly.


This ramble has gone on awhile so tl;dr, I'd like either a Legacy launcher for my Win7 laptop or a Lite launcher that clients like GOG can also launch games through, pls.

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Цитата допису Shenorai:

Honestly, it's a damn shame that despite the countdown going on for nearly 200 days as of this post, there are no plans to create a Legacy client.

I'd have zero issue, as a Win10 user, if resources went to making a legacy client that had limited functionality. Give users the online verification so they can still use the DRM games, and play their current library. Remove the marketplace/live services like the store, so it doesn't cause compatibility issues in the future.

However, that costs man hours and money, plus we don't know how that'd work with multiplayer/live online games, once Chromium no longer works with Win7 at all.

[kitty]

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

plus we don't know how that'd work with multiplayer/live online games

it won't work with online games, that is unreasonable expectation (networking code is the reason why Valve kicked the bucket out off win7). and who needs it in slim client? we don't need this bloat. install, browse, uninstall, run your games. that's it. everything else - in the browser.

[ุ]

Цитата допису kitty:

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

plus we don't know how that'd work with multiplayer/live online games

it won't work with online games, that is unreasonable expectation (networking code is the reason why Valve kicked the bucket out off win7). and who needs it in slim client? we don't need this bloat. install, browse, uninstall, run your games. that's it. everything else - in the browser.

Again, costs man hours ergo costs money to change the current system to work that way, unfortunately.

Plus, we'd see users complain they can no longer play online games such as Destiny 2, Warframe, etc.

[xBCxRangers]

Awful it really is. He can come out with a legacy launcher, if not if 2 million now isn't enough, as the OP mentioned, Win 10 in a few years certainly will be.

Gotta happen sooner or later. Lets hope we can at least pull the plug and play what we have. That seems to work so far.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

that costs man hours and money

Yup, and I have little doubt that a cost-analysis shows it's basically money down the drain.

Cutting of a minority can actually be more valuable and feasible than trying to keep them all aboard.

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Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису Leonardo Da Pinchi:

that costs man hours and money

Yup, and I have little doubt that a cost-analysis shows it's basically money down the drain.

Cutting of a minority can actually be more valuable and feasible than trying to keep them all aboard.

Almost as if people have a higher education and their entire job revolves around those analysis, thus have run the numbers already, regardless of how many multitude of calls into the void people make.

But, hey, they're going to keep screaming into the void regardless.

Instead of, well...spending that time productively, I guess.

We can hold out hope they do make a legacy client but radio silence on all the spam so far hasn't really done anything to hint that they are.

[NakiBest]

Guys, this "Offline/Lite client" is just a REALLY dumb idea.

If it Offline, how would you reinstall/redownload any Steam games in the first place!?
You just cannot! You cannot get things downloaded when network access is blocked.

This is just impossible, just like an "immovable rock", "unstoppable cannonball", hot ice, wooden stone, cold heat, old child, perpetuum mobile, "never-ending" water bottle and so on. :)

Combining 2 things that cannot be combined.

[kitty]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Cutting of a minority can actually be more valuable and feasible than trying to keep them all aboard.

it is not just minority (if about win7 users). such launcher will also benefit millions of other people, such as people with health issues when they feel uncomfortable to use bloated version of the app for various reasons, people who prefers simplicity and wants to focus on their game instead of being bombarded with notifications, people with old hardware (having 200Mb footprint vs 4Gb is a big deal if there's only 4-8Gb of RAM).
legacy app doesn't have to be exclusive to win7. if it will be barebone in features it will be very little effort to compile it for different OSes.

[kitty]

Цитата допису NakiBest:

If it Offline, how would you reinstall/redownload any Steam games in the first place!?

offline play (aka you can play your game solo), not offline client. it will connect server to get games.

[xBCxRangers]

Цитата допису kitty:

Цитата допису NakiBest:

If it Offline, how would you reinstall/redownload any Steam games in the first place!?

offline play (aka you can play your game solo), not offline client. it will connect server to get games.

Or else just pull the ethernet plug. At that point, there is no updates, there is no way Valve can ascertain time limits for tokens, you're just apparently, dead, only with the games you have i would think.

In that event, if true, Valve is not preventing you from getting access to your games, and kind of the "thorny" issue legally, from what i've found, that if you have access, you do. It doesn't matter "what" type of access, as long as you have it for the games you paid for.

Which is likely how they got away with the 98 and XP matters.

That being said, it's my understanding Mr Newell had a company create a Client for the Chinese. If he was able to do that, there should be no issue in having a company build a leacy client for the millions if not now, in the future here.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису kitty:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Cutting of a minority can actually be more valuable and feasible than trying to keep them all aboard.

it is not just minority (if about win7 users). such launcher will also benefit millions of other people, such as people with health issues when they feel uncomfortable to use bloated version of the app for various reasons, people who prefers simplicity and wants to focus on their game instead of being bombarded with notifications, people with old hardware (having 200Mb footprint vs 4Gb is a big deal if there's only 4-8Gb of RAM).
legacy app doesn't have to be exclusive to win7. if it will be barebone in features it will be very little effort to compile it for different OSes.

None of that changes what I said.

[kitty]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису kitty:

it is not just minority (if about win7 users). such launcher will also benefit millions of other people, such as people with health issues when they feel uncomfortable to use bloated version of the app for various reasons, people who prefers simplicity and wants to focus on their game instead of being bombarded with notifications, people with old hardware (having 200Mb footprint vs 4Gb is a big deal if there's only 4-8Gb of RAM).
legacy app doesn't have to be exclusive to win7. if it will be barebone in features it will be very little effort to compile it for different OSes.

None of that changes what I said.

you don't know how many users will want to use such client. it might be not a minority but majority of people who play solo games.

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Цитата допису kitty:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

None of that changes what I said.

you don't know how many users will want to use such client. it might be not a minority but majority of people who play solo games.

Not really, as most people would likely keep up to date with the current client for added benefits of access to the marketplace/store.