roflmao, really steam wont work for 7 in 2 months?

[cryofreeze666]

first things first what good is that going to do? not like valve had a program that worked with windows from the beginning. can't count how many times in the past that trying to turn off my computer i couldn't even force a computer shutdown because of steam. then you have the games that plain just don't work, and the games that in order to get them to work you have to jump through unreasonable hoops to get to work. so how is that all going to change, if i downgrade to the windows10/ 11 program that is so full of bloatware it won't matter how much money i've spent on a phone or computer the program wastes resources. switching operating systems, leaves me extremely skeptical, if they can't get their program to run smoothly in one format, how am i to believe it will run smoothly in another?
see i'm not a teenager who says what can you do about it, i want to be entertained now. i'm an adult that says, hey they have my money for past purchases, now their trying to take them away. that equates to nothing more than theft. if i can't use them, they need to figure out a way to refund my money or make them accessable. that is their responsibility since they chose this format to sell games in. not my responsibility to keep spending money in order to keep games i purchased over time. that equates to extortion. see why i hate this format for gaming, they hold your recreational investments hostage. some people may think that is ok, when it's extortion plain and simple.
you can say "advancement of technology" all you want, but i'm not young enough or dumb enough to believe that. the only advancement i will guess is the lines that identify the o.s., i doubt they'll have changed anything else. and the red line doesn't say it wont support windows7 it says it won't run, which means discriminatory business practice.
now i wonder how many people are going to run to steams protection? politely flaming me for refusing to buy a newer version of windows. the same basic program with updated drivers. who will make comments about me being cheap, or poor, or "unenlightened"? i just refuse to allow anyone to extort money from me. those of you lacking in life experience, won't be able to see the extortion. those lacking in programming experience, who don't understand that binary code is, and until another primary language is created, the only language for hardware. binary is what the other codes translate to. because hardware is full of switches, 1's ans 0's for open and closed. if someone tries to tell me that upgrading my operating system, allows for a better picture from a graphics card, that is completely ridiculous. the operating system doesn't controls that. i know that is why the manufacturer of the hardware create drivers. windows is just using planned obsolescence, to keep the newer hardware from being used with older operating systems. not because of programming incompatibility, it's because microsoft decided which hardware each version would allowed to be compatible with.
in 5 years time microsoft will decide which new hardware wont be compatible with 10/ 11. this new operating system crap every so often is relatively new, 4 separate versions have occurred from xp pro (in my opinion microsoft's best) which was supported for longer than any 2 of the last 4 systems after it ( vista, 7, 8, 10/ 11). is 11 even a thing? i haven't seen it advertised by itself yet, just as an update for 10. hell i was actually buying and loading xp pro into computers when 8 started being sold. microsoft was still supporting it as well so if we look at it because of the crap microsoft pulled with the vista garbage, it took them almost 15 years to start making obsolete programs. so tell me, how does making a program that is unreliable at best. how does it become more reliable removing access?

[Komarimaru]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 eredeti hozzászólása:

kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

what are you implying? are you saying people here are insane?

Nope. I did not say that. Read my words again please.

Komarimaru eredeti hozzászólása:

Sadly it cannot. There's two work around methods for ryzen chips, but still only 70% effective. GPU wise nothing can be done, memory wise nothing can be done either.

There's a good reason AMD gave up trying, Windows 7 is a mess.

Just because it "runs" on newer hardware does not mean it "runs well". Running windows 7 on a Ryzen AM4 system is very much not a great experience at all and certainly not something enjoyable that anyone would want to game on. There's actually no "workarounds" needed. It is possible to run Windows 7 on Ryzen AM4 systems with full driver support and all onboard devices working *(unless you have an AM4 motherboard with an Intel WiFi-6 card, Intel never released drivers for those for Win7). And there's no issues with memory support either. 64-bit Win7 will support any amount of ram that any AM4 system supports. The main problem is with the CPU and how it functions in Win7 and there is no fix or workaround for that.

Due to the bad thread handler in Windows 7, the high end am4 chips simply just won't run well due to more than one CCD. It will somewhat handle the single CCD chips, but not well.

As for memory handling, Windows 7 does a much more poor method of utilizing the amount and speed of ddr4, and is a mess on ddr5. The was some updates on 2013 to resolve the ddr4 issue, but that was it. Rebar also becomes a mess since Windows 7 didn't know how to react to it.

[kitty]

yes, Windows 7 doesn't support all modern hardware tech and you can only use it for moderately aged hardware and this gap will widen each year. we're not talking about top high end performance here, we're talking about system that is capable of running aged games so the power is adequate. new games do not support win7 anyway.

but everyone knows, the clock is ticking. we can safely use win7 to run our current games on current hardware. however in 4-5 years such system would be outdated and everyone will be pressed to make a jump.

win7 detractors do not understand why, despite all nagging and mocking, people aren't jumping ship and detractors try harder and harder thinking they're not putting enough pressure or not giving enough reasons. do you know why it doesn't work that way?

because win7 users are aware of limits and everyone has their plan as to when they should upgrade and it will happen only when win7 is no longer usable. we're procrastinating on purpose and that's a part of the plan.

[Boblin the Goblin]

kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

yes, Windows 7 doesn't support all modern hardware tech and you can only use it for moderately aged hardware and this gap will widen each year. we're not talking about top high end performance here, we're talking about system that is capable of running aged games so the power is adequate. new games do not support win7 anyway.

but everyone knows, the clock is ticking. we can safely use win7 to run our current games on current hardware. however in 4-5 years such system would be outdated and everyone will be pressed to make a jump.

win7 detractors do not understand why, despite all nagging and mocking, people aren't jumping ship and detractors try harder and harder thinking they're not putting enough pressure or not giving enough reasons. do you know why it doesn't work that way?

because win7 users are aware of limits and everyone has their plan as to when they should upgrade and it will happen only when win7 is no longer usable. we're procrastinating on purpose and that's a part of the plan.

That choice has consequences. One of which will happen come Jan. 1st.

[kitty]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

That choice has consequences. One of which will happen come Jan. 1st.

we'll see what happens. what if Valve will forget to cut win7 off? lol
they're slow with bug fixes and they often have bug regressions in new version. there's still a chance :)

[Qbert ⭐]

My guess is Valve will get a mayor update to the client fully migrated to the new chromium and then they will start fixing things at a better peace.

[Hoochfox]

lsdninja eredeti hozzászólása:

Those threads are locked, of course they have to open new ones!

XD

Almost like people are desperate to be heard when all indications are that they're just being flippantly ignored by the corporation that happily accepted their money then announced that they intend to commit a de-facto renege on the sale with no recourse for the customer. Crazy, huh? Good thing we have pro-corporate fanboys to defend the invincible ivory tower from criticism, or some stern words about a one-sided power struggle might go without pointless ridicule that can't stand up to base-level critical thinking.

[kitty]

Qbert ⭐ eredeti hozzászólása:

My guess is Valve will get a mayor update to the client fully migrated to the new chromium and then they will start fixing things at a better peace.

they already have Chromium, they don't need to migrate. they might want to upgrade current version but don't expect it to bring less bugs, it usually does the opposite - introduces plenty of bugs. so if that happens I don't know if their client will even work considering its current sorry state, there are absolutely no room for new bugs, it will be unusable.

[Boblin the Goblin]

kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

Qbert ⭐ eredeti hozzászólása:

My guess is Valve will get a mayor update to the client fully migrated to the new chromium and then they will start fixing things at a better peace.

they already have Chromium, they don't need to migrate. they might want to upgrade current version but don't expect it to bring less bugs, it usually does the opposite - introduces plenty of bugs. so if that happens I don't know if their client will even work considering its current sorry state, there are absolutely no room for new bugs, it will be unusable.

That's a great over exaggeration.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Hoochfox eredeti hozzászólása:

lsdninja eredeti hozzászólása:

Those threads are locked, of course they have to open new ones!

XD

Almost like people are desperate to be heard when all indications are that they're just being flippantly ignored by the corporation that happily accepted their money then announced that they intend to commit a de-facto renege on the sale with no recourse for the customer. Crazy, huh? Good thing we have pro-corporate fanboys to defend the invincible ivory tower from criticism, or some stern words about a one-sided power struggle might go without pointless ridicule that can't stand up to base-level critical thinking.

Except they aren't refusing to fulfill their deal. In fact, you agreed to this process in the SSA every time you purchase a game on Steam.

They even gave you 8 months to change over. Hell, even EGS installer just one day stopped functioning on Windows 7 without warning.

The only reason you will lose a cess to your games is because of your choices.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

cryofreeze666 eredeti hozzászólása:

roflmao, really steam wont work for 7 in 2 months?

Yes.

As WinXP and Vista stopped working 4 years ago.
As Windows 2000 stopped working 10 years ago.
And as Windows 98 Stopped working in 16 years ago.

To add, some of that was happening (especially the ending of support for Windows XP and Windows Vista) right when Windows 7 users were still using their operating system. Yet they thought nothing of it, every OS has a cutoff date. There isn't one, that is exempt.

[kitty]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Hoochfox eredeti hozzászólása:

Almost like people are desperate to be heard when all indications are that they're just being flippantly ignored by the corporation that happily accepted their money then announced that they intend to commit a de-facto renege on the sale with no recourse for the customer. Crazy, huh? Good thing we have pro-corporate fanboys to defend the invincible ivory tower from criticism, or some stern words about a one-sided power struggle might go without pointless ridicule that can't stand up to base-level critical thinking.

Except they aren't refusing to fulfill their deal. In fact, you agreed to this process in the SSA every time you purchase a game on Steam.

They even gave you 8 months to change over. Hell, even EGS installer just one day stopped functioning on Windows 7 without warning.

The only reason you will lose a cess to your games is because of your choices.

you just confirmed what's being said in that post

[lsdninja]

There are plenty of things to be legitimately angry with Valve over, but dropping support for a long obsolete operating system isn’t one of them.

[Hobbit XIII]

lsdninja eredeti hozzászólása:

There are plenty of things to be legitimately angry with Valve over, but dropping support for a long obsolete operating system isn’t one of them.

Sticking strictly to the topic and responding to this in a direct as possible manner so as to be in compliance with Steam Support :
You should not be angry over so many things, Robocop teaches we should not be angry.

I hope that helps you with any anger management issues you may be having.

[xBCxRangers]

Mr Newell, here it is, we are TIRED of these ongoing sagas of your makings. Windows is not ending Win 7, YOU are, and we need explanations from you, in what will happen to our game libraries.

Your pricing saga, your lawsuit sagas, your OS saga, your moderation saga, all matters that can be handled, in a more responsible manner.

We deserve quality and RESULTS, and we deserve them right NOW, Mr Newell

[Tito Shivan]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Windows is not ending Win 7, YOUR are

You may want to double check on that.