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Low Standards 22 oct. 2023 la 13:39
The biggest problem with Steam Forums is letting the moderators have too much control.
I know, I get it all the time. Read the forum rules. Except for 1, all are incredible vague and most threads break them but they still let them be. I really think instead of:

No Inflammatory comments and other silly things, they should be more specific. If I was Steam I would relax the rules and focus on two or three horrible offenses like threating, politics, racism, and posting personal information. Let the others just slide. They have a nice filter that seems to get most offensive words.
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Postat inițial de Simon says:
It's unlikely to change.
Steam has quite a few young and 'woke' mods who seem quick on the draw.
They often judge posts based on personal biases, hence the rules remain vague to provide them an all-encompassing excuse.
They might even ban you simply because they disagree with your profile picture or opinion, justifying it with 'It violated a steam rule!'.
The exact rule? They might pick any, leaning heavily into mental gymnastics to explain.
I once complimented someone struggling with English; our conversation was genuine, and he even expressed gratitude.
Yet, some perceived it as mockery, resulting in a ban for me. That's the state of Steam forums.

Ironically, a notorious troll who hounds people across game hubs seeking personal info complained here in this very thread of yours about being unfairly banned due to mass reports. Quite amusing.

So true man. Thanks for your support. Although it is only a forum, I am personally hurt by the actions of the moderators. Your experience makes it a little easier for me. I got banned for saying the name of one game in another game's forum. Now they seem to be escalating it, like a personal vendetta.

Have you seen angry posts about this thread? Not one got banned. Not one.
There are essentially two types of mods on Steam: the core Steam mods and then the game hub mods, who are often community managers. These can be passionate volunteers from the gaming community or, more frequently, employees from the game companies. Given their association, their bias can be predictably tilted in favor of staunchly defending the game.

Wearing overturned bans serves as a testament to my deeper insight into the gaming community and its dynamics, something that irks many, especially staunch supporters who dislike any critical, factual remarks about their beloved game. When they can't counter my arguments, they often resort to personal attacks, which unfortunately some mods seem to tolerate. These individuals remain on the forums, troubling others they have a bone to pick with.

I could substantiate all I've mentioned, but it would deviate from the topic at hand. Plus, I'd rather not divulge too much in a public space; certain insights are best kept guarded.
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Brian9824 25 oct. 2023 la 5:36 
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Rights come bundled with obligations

So?
Rights apply for everyone regardless of other factors.

And those rights can be taken away when people abuse the rights they were given...
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Свети Отац Сава 25 oct. 2023 la 5:46 
Postat inițial de Low Standards:
I know, I get it all the time. Read the forum rules. Except for 1, all are incredible vague and most threads break them but they still let them be. I really think instead of:

No Inflammatory comments and other silly things, they should be more specific. If I was Steam I would relax the rules and focus on two or three horrible offenses like threating, politics, racism, and posting personal information. Let the others just slide. They have a nice filter that seems to get most offensive words.
Bro got banned for free speech
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Brian9824 25 oct. 2023 la 6:07 
Postat inițial de Свети Отац Сава:
Postat inițial de Low Standards:
I know, I get it all the time. Read the forum rules. Except for 1, all are incredible vague and most threads break them but they still let them be. I really think instead of:

No Inflammatory comments and other silly things, they should be more specific. If I was Steam I would relax the rules and focus on two or three horrible offenses like threating, politics, racism, and posting personal information. Let the others just slide. They have a nice filter that seems to get most offensive words.
Bro got banned for free speech

Nah got banned for HOW he excercised his words, freedom of speech (which doesn't apply to businesses) doesn't mean freedom from consequences of said speech
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Ace 27 oct. 2023 la 9:17 
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.
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Boblin the Goblin 27 oct. 2023 la 9:18 
Postat inițial de Ace:
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.


The amount of reports doesn't matter. Only what is reported.
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SweetStarfieldFan 27 oct. 2023 la 9:28 
Postat inițial de Ace:
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.
It's essential to put things in perspective. You have a tendency to single out individuals who have criticisms of DE, sometimes to the point of quoting the same person across multiple threads in rapid succession. This kind of targeted behavior, which happens within minutes, often feels more like harassment than genuine discussion.

Furthermore, there have been instances where you've resorted to fabrications and personal accusations that don't hold water. Name-calling, baseless allegations, and provocative actions don't build a conducive environment for discussions.

Your own admission that you and your Discord group bait and report individuals simply because they have a different viewpoint on the game is concerning. We all should be promoting a community where varied perspectives are appreciated and debated maturely, not suppressed.
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Ace 27 oct. 2023 la 9:30 
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Postat inițial de Ace:
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.


The amount of reports doesn't matter. Only what is reported.

It clearly does matter, at least in this forum, ive reported people for things going as high as racism & yet nothing is done, but ive been banned for a few days for saying "no thank you" when a member tried to make me buy a game from him, & the reason behind the ban didn't even match.
Editat ultima dată de Ace; 27 oct. 2023 la 9:48
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Ace 27 oct. 2023 la 9:38 
Postat inițial de Simon says:
Postat inițial de Ace:
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.
It's essential to put things in perspective. You have a tendency to single out individuals who have criticisms of DE, sometimes to the point of quoting the same person across multiple threads in rapid succession. This kind of targeted behavior, which happens within minutes, often feels more like harassment than genuine discussion.

Furthermore, there have been instances where you've resorted to fabrications and personal accusations that don't hold water. Name-calling, baseless allegations, and provocative actions don't build a conducive environment for discussions.

Your own admission that you and your Discord group bait and report individuals simply because they have a different viewpoint on the game is concerning. We all should be promoting a community where varied perspectives are appreciated and debated maturely, not suppressed.

The only people i would tend to single out are those who spread misinformation about the game & even then all i do is prove that they are incorrect with facts, they simply don't like being proven wrong. No i disagree on the fabrications and personal accusations Ive seen what they are doing time & time again as have others on the forum, they troll & bait people all the time & it seems to go under the radar, nothing ive accused them of is untrue because there actions speak for themselves.

Your own admission that you and your Discord group bait and report individuals simply because they have a different viewpoint on the game is concerning. We all should be promoting a community where varied perspectives are appreciated and debated maturely, not suppressed.

Not sure if you're accusing me of doing this but i certainly do not & am not part of any discord, though it would not surprise me if they were, i do agree thought people should be able to have varied perspectives are appreciated and debated maturely however it's not going to happen if those who only wish to troll & provoke arguments from others don't stop abusing the report system.
Editat ultima dată de Ace; 27 oct. 2023 la 15:58
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Boblin the Goblin 27 oct. 2023 la 10:01 
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The amount of reports doesn't matter. Only what is reported.

It clearly does matter, at least in this forum, ive reported people for things going as high as racism & yet nothing is done, but ive been banned for a few days for saying "no thank you" when a member tried to make me buy a game from him, & the reason behind the ban didn't even match.

If the amount of reports mattered, it wouldn't be hard to essentially hire botnets to get users constantly banned.
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Ace 27 oct. 2023 la 10:06 
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Postat inițial de Ace:

It clearly does matter, at least in this forum, ive reported people for things going as high as racism & yet nothing is done, but ive been banned for a few days for saying "no thank you" when a member tried to make me buy a game from him, & the reason behind the ban didn't even match.

If the amount of reports mattered, it wouldn't be hard to essentially hire botnets to get users constantly banned.

True & i'm surprised that hasn't happened already, or maybe it has i have no idea. I see what you're saying but in this case it was proven by a few others on the forum that it was the case that multipul alt accounts were being used to silence people, back in the spring 6 people were banned for seemingly no reason, or reasons that we just couldn't figure out, the only thing linked was it a thread made by the resident trolls of the community.
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SweetStarfieldFan 27 oct. 2023 la 10:44 
Postat inițial de SlowMango:
Postat inițial de Ace:
We have a similar issue on the doom eternal forums, people who troll the community & bait people into arguments have now started mass reporting people on alt accounts & abusing the system to get people banned. It's working very well for them.


The amount of reports doesn't matter. Only what is reported.
And it is true, the number of reports does not matter!

It's all based on the subjective decisions of the moderator reviewing the report.

Of course, if a moderator sees a post with 30 reports, they are likely to decide differently than when they see a post that only offended 1 user.
So, if the moderator is biased, reports do matter, but not in the way some people here suggest.
Editat ultima dată de SweetStarfieldFan; 27 oct. 2023 la 10:49
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xBCxRangers 27 oct. 2023 la 10:47 
Its about spamming reports. Another ban i just had, overturned. They mostly all are in my case. Evidently it was given to me about 2 am when i wasn't even posting.

It's that when the reports are spammed by folks who don't like what you said, moderation that institutes the ban aren't reading whats being reported.

And so they ban, and then overturn based on the appeal.

They just really need to analyze the report initially more effectively, and then ban those that are just spamming reports.
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Mickk 27 oct. 2023 la 21:02 
Postat inițial de Low Standards:
The biggest problem with Steam Forums is letting the moderators have too much control.
I know, I get it all the time. Read the forum rules. Except for 1, all are incredible vague and most threads break them but they still let them be. I really think instead of:

No Inflammatory comments and other silly things, they should be more specific. If I was Steam I would relax the rules and focus on two or three horrible offenses like threating, politics, racism, and posting personal information. Let the others just slide. They have a nice filter that seems to get most offensive words.


Hi Low Standards, I have seen you posting on a forum I frequent and though I might shed some light here for all to see.
I think it's actually a bit of Business Intelligence on Valve's behalf.
Steam works in many countries all over the world and as such needs to consider all of those various regions legalities when operating in those countries.

For instance I live in Australia and we have laws about 'Cyber Bullying' in out country. These laws do not only effect Australians but anyone who creates something being seen in Australia.
Some of the penalties for breach of the laws here can go all the way to imprisonment, yes that's right. In Australia if you are an 'online bully' you may well find yourself in prison. Not only that but those outside Australia can fall foul of our laws as well.

Read the Act if you want to be sure. Below is a link to the 'Online Safety Act'.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2022C00052

Some people may think this is stupid, silly, inconsequential and that it can not effect them. To those I would say, Don't be so sure. Check you own local laws. Check the relationship between your country and mine.

So steams rules are in place for a reason, contravene those rules at your own peril.
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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 27 oct. 2023 la 21:07 
Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:
Its about spamming reports. Another ban i just had, overturned. They mostly all are in my case. Evidently it was given to me about 2 am when i wasn't even posting.

It's that when the reports are spammed by folks who don't like what you said, moderation that institutes the ban aren't reading whats being reported.

And so they ban, and then overturn based on the appeal.

They just really need to analyze the report initially more effectively, and then ban those that are just spamming reports.
You know the bans aren't instant right? So you not being online when the ban was applied, is irrelevant.
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Low Standards 28 oct. 2023 la 8:08 
Thank you all who agree with me. We are legion!

Just got unbanned again for two things. THIS PROVES MY POINT! The word "excessive" is the moderators word of choice when they unban you. We clearly need more specific rules than this.
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