Tristin Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:12am
Steam game compatibility
Does Steam ask game devs to update their game so that newer Win OS version can run it? Or do they still get to sell the outdated, incompatible games?

I ask this question bc I actually do see games where reviewers bombard for unable to run the game in newer Win OS. Additionally, Win 7 will be unsupported by Steam, meaning they'll be selling obsolete games.
Last edited by Tristin; Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:20am
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Trollhammer Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:16am 
What are these "outdated, incompatible games" ?
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Steam game compatibility

Does Steam ask game devs to update their game so that newer Win OS version can run it? Or do they still get to sell the outdated, incompatible games?

I ask this question bc I actually do see games where reviewers bombard for unable to run the game in newer Win OS.

Which games in particular don't run on "newer" Win OS?

But no.

And Steam doesn't do anything. Valve does.

:summercat2023:
Crazy Tiger Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:25am 
I have a collection starting from the 80s and it's rare I run into games that don't work on Win10. some might need some tweaks, but usually that's to have them run better with, for example, newer resolutions.

I do agree that store pages should have a "might need a tweak" box so people know it might be needed. But games aren't obsolete just because some people don't want to turn a compatibility setting, change a .ini file or something like that. Such games should remain on sale for people who don't mind doing so.
Tristin Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:32am 
Originally posted by Trollhammer:
What are these "outdated, incompatible games" ?
'Magicka', I recently noticed.

There were some other games as well, but it appears that they do have a workaround for it however
Last edited by Tristin; Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:34am
nullable Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:38am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Does Steam ask game devs to update their game so that newer Win OS version can run it? Or do they still get to sell the outdated, incompatible games?

Valve doesn't manage other people's projects. Many old games are just fickle, but can be made to run with the right settings/configuration, they're not straight out incompatible.

If you're not sure about a game, you should do your research and look at the community forum activity for the game or ask there. If fiddling with old games isn't your cup of tea you're free to avoid them.

I mean the pros of the PC platform is you can nominally run any game released on the platform. But between decades of OS'es and thousands and thousands of configurations possible it's not always one button simple. It's practically a feature of PC gaming though: you have great power, and with it comes great responsibility. And to my mind it's practically a feature of the PC gaming platform.

Originally posted by Tristin:
I ask this question bc I actually do see games where reviewers bombard for unable to run the game in newer Win OS. Additionally, Win 7 will be unsupported by Steam, meaning they'll be selling obsolete games.

Many users have mismanaged expectations, where they expect Valve or the developer to always make it so a game will run on their system. And while most games can be made to run, they're not willing to do the work, so when a game doesn't run immediately those users have a tantrum about it.

So now you have two groups of users. Users who are able and willing to tinker with old games to get them working. And users who aren't.

So I'm going to argue first, there's a refund system. Then I'm going to argue many users can get old games running without too much effort. And finally I'm going to argue it's better for games be available to those users, rather than restrict them to satisfy some malcontent who can't stand the idea software is available they can't run because there's some challenges involved.

No one is being forced to buy or play old games. There's a refund system if a user discovers getting an old game to run isn't trivial, above their pay grade, or just isn't worth their time. Users are free to avoid sufficiently old games if they have concerns. And everyone else who can still enjoy old games can.
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Tristin Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:43am 
Originally posted by nullable:
I actually did go to Magicka forum to see workaround, have found no majority "yes it works for me". I'm sorry you wrote so much.

This is not about me, nor my purchases. It's about compatibility and of selling of games in general in Steam. Ofc buyers can refund or whatnot later, but that's that. That is not what I am talking about here.
Last edited by Tristin; Oct 20, 2023 @ 8:44am
Trollhammer Oct 20, 2023 @ 9:33am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Originally posted by Trollhammer:
What are these "outdated, incompatible games" ?
'Magicka', I recently noticed.

There were some other games as well, but it appears that they do have a workaround for it however
I just tried Magicka a few minutes ago, it runs flawlessly. The issue is on your side not the OS.
nullable Oct 20, 2023 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Originally posted by nullable:
I actually did go to Magicka forum to see workaround, have found no majority "yes it works for me". I'm sorry you wrote so much.

I responded to your original post, you didn't mention magicka there, so it's not relevant to my post. I clearly quoted your OP and addressed it.

And whether or not you found a fix on the game's steam forum doesn't change my argument.

Originally posted by Tristin:
This is not about me, nor my purchases. It's about compatibility and of selling of games in general in Steam. Ofc buyers can refund or whatnot later, but that's that. That is not what I am talking about here.

I know, you made that clear in your post. I addressed it. Sorry you didn't read my response and decided to run it through an arbitrary filter and ignored the context to dismiss it.

Your inability to handle old software is a you problem, not a Steam problem or other users problem.
Last edited by nullable; Oct 20, 2023 @ 9:37am
blunus Oct 20, 2023 @ 9:44am 
People can find workarounds such as ones from PCGamingWiki to make older games work. People who simply play them and then bombarded reviews is their problem of not handling older engines.
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Tristin Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:25am 
Old games will have issues not just in start, but in many areas. Clearly the majority issue in game Magicka, is said, "frequent crashing". Such crashing does not occur on Win 7, so many users said.

So just because you've ran it successfully for few minutes does not add to any resolution of incompatibility issues. You clearly have not even read through the said game discussion forums or the reviews, yet alone you probably didn't even played just now for long hours. I doubt you actually would do that to prove your point. Either way, it will not, bc not every PC is your PC.

Please discuss with open mindedness, not one sided. I mean, you feel so strongly about something that every other aspect is wrong? And it just feels like many of you believe this is my problem, when I clearly stated it is not. I don't even play old games much these days. But rather speaking out for those who may want to play old games, and should be able to play out of the box or at least being told that it requires fiddling as Crazy Tiger have stated.

Sure every consumer must do their research before buying and/or could refund. But is this really the way we want things to be? We want things to work out of the box much as possible. Fiddling or refunding shouldn't be what we want to aim?

Y'all one sided people are blocked from me, so don't have to bother responding to this. You know who you are.
Last edited by Tristin; Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:33am
AustrAlien2010 Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:26am 
Its quite simple really.
If you want to continue playing games that only run on an old computer, then you need to keep an old computer to run them on.

OR download patches from the internet that makes them run.
Last edited by AustrAlien2010; Oct 20, 2023 @ 12:16pm
nullable Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:38am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Old games will have issues not just in start, but in many areas. Clearly the majority issue in game Magicka, is said, "frequent crashing". Such crashing does not occur on Win 7, so many users said.

So just because you've ran it successfully for few minutes does not add to any resolution of incompatibility issues. You clearly have not even read through the said game discussion forums or the reviews, yet alone you probably didn't even played just now for long hours. I doubt you actually would do that to prove your point. Either way, it will not, bc not every PC is not your PC.

Please discuss with open mindedness, not one sided. I mean, you feel so strongly about something that every other aspect is wrong? And it just feels like many of you believe this is my problem, when I clearly stated it is not. I don't even play old games much these days. But rather speaking out for those who may want to play old games, and should be able to play out of the box or at least being told that it requires fiddling as Crazy Tiger have stated.

Sure every consumer must do their research before buying and/or could refund. But is this really the way we want things to be? We want things to work out of the box much as possible. Fiddling or refunding shouldn't be what we want to aim?

Y'all one sided people are blocked from me, so don't have to bother responding to this.

Well you are pretty single mindedly focused on how everyone else must be wrong, mistaken, misunderstanding because they don't agree with everything you say, how you say it. Perhaps you could try being a little more open minded yourself.

Your position isn't new or hard to understand. The fact that people already can manage it and discuss it and have establish opinions isn't necessarily a failing on their part. Some of your mismanaged expectations could be a failing on your part though.
Last edited by nullable; Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:39am
Tristin Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Its quite simple really.
If you want to continue playing games that only run on an old computer, then you need to keep an old computer to run them on.
Precisely. And Steam will no longer support this "old" Win 7. So the whole point being, is Steam going to ask devs to update it? Or maybe delist it.

If it will stay on market, consumers should be told to either it needs tweaking or something. Bc as of result of incompatibility, such game is(are) being bombarded by bad reviews
Last edited by Tristin; Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:51am
Start_Running Oct 20, 2023 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by Tristin:
Does Steam ask game devs to update their game so that newer Win OS version can run it? Or do they still get to sell the outdated, incompatible games?
Game devs are required to make sure their games can be run. Yes. Most tuimes the games do not infact require any updating since NEw WIndows versions maintain pretty solid backwards coompatability either directly or via COmpatability mode.

Originally posted by Tristin:
I ask this question bc I actually do see games where reviewers bombard for unable to run the game in newer Win OS. Additionally, Win 7 will be unsupported by Steam, meaning they'll be selling obsolete games.
When an OS is newly release it will generally have compatability issues. These issues are resolved by the OS makers over the course iof the first year or two. THe thing is the more modern the game the less likely its gonna cause issues. Like Pretty much any game from 2010 onwards shouldn't have any problems.
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