STOP WITH WINDOWS 7 ???....

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hello! i wont install windows 10 or 11 cause is sh*t... problem: i paid for some games in steam and i will stay on windows 7... problematic...

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kitty a écrit :

oh stop that blabbering already. I see you never used VM as well. and you're clueless.

No one said anything about using virtual machines until you posted that video. They were literally referring to "Linux never has to make drastic changes to update it" which they are referring to real hardware.

kitty a écrit :

did you know that you can have image of your whole OS and clone it to new PC? just need to change 2 lines where it points to partition to boot. it will pull and activate all required drivers on next boot (in case of hardware change)
the installation I currently use now dates back to my old PC (may it rest in peace in junkyard :))

the big "gotcha" here is your lack of expertise.

Yes that is a thing that super technical / advanced people both could and would do. However at least 90% of computer users (even Linux users) are not that technical nor would they even know how to do any of that. Just because you know how to do something does not mean that everyone who uses a computer knows how to do the same thing nor is it common practice.

Additionally that is ALSO off topic and not what they were discussing either. They literally said that they could install linux and just update it forever without significant changes. That's it. You're way over-complicating things.

[kitty]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

They literally said that they could install linux and just update it forever without significant changes. That's it. You're way over-complicating things.

and that is true statement. I already demonstrated it to you. you don't have to be super technical to edit few lines in notepad when you replace your old PC. you still failed to provide list of "significant changes" you're talking about. as you can see in the video, the task is pretty straightforward.
don't forget you're talking about Linux user who already used their distro for years and can upgrade with their eyes closed. it is ridiculous to assume such user will gain zero knowledge about Linux in these years.

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kitty a écrit :

and that is true statement. I already demonstrated it to you.

There is no possible way you have some 15~20 year old version of Linux that you dragged through multiple computer upgrades and just "upgraded it" to the next version of Linux after all this time. That's actually not possible with any version of Linux.

However.... you did get me thinking. There were "Upgrade versions" of Windows... and an "upgrade path" ... I wonder if it would of been possible to start with say Windows95 and use the upgrade versions and drive cloning to move a windows install from Win9x through to say Windows 10 by "upgrading" with each new version of Windows, moving to multiple new computers each time. I actually never thought about that. I have enough hardware in the house to try this. I might try it some day as an experiment.

[kitty]

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kitty a écrit :

and that is true statement. I already demonstrated it to you.

There is no possible way you have some 15~20 year old version of Linux that you dragged through multiple computer upgrades and just "upgraded it" to the next version of Linux after all this time. That's actually not possible with any version of Linux.

watch that video on slow speed, really slow. like your abilities to learn.

[kitty]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

I wonder if it would of been possible to start with say Windows95 and use the upgrade versions and drive cloning

ahaha, sure. don't forget to screenshot all BSODs you'll get.

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kitty a écrit :

watch that video on slow speed, really slow. like your abilities to learn.

For the second time: You posted a video of someone doing it in a virutal machine. That is NOT the same thing as trying to do it in real life as you claimed.

kitty a écrit :

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

I wonder if it would of been possible to start with say Windows95 and use the upgrade versions and drive cloning

ahaha, sure. don't forget to screenshot all BSODs you'll get.

Linux wouldn't be any better or different. If you tried to upgrade the same old install by moving it to different hardware and running the upgrade option on each new computer then somewhere along the way it would end up a buggy, crashing, unstable mess.

[kitty]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

For the second time: You posted a video of someone doing it in a virutal machine. That is NOT the same thing as trying to do it in real life as you claimed.

how virtual machine is different from real PC in this regard?

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

somewhere along the way it would end up a buggy, crashing, unstable mess

or it won't. video shows every new version installs just fine. should I believe your lies or my own eyes and my own experience?
as long as every issue can be fixed by just editing text files or by issuing some commands there's no way someone would pile issues to the point it snowballs into mess you describe. well, maybe you would. but it's not how Linux user manages their OS.

[AlexTheRedScout]

can't wait the mods to close this topic again because its going in circles

[Leader of the Zakonistians]

LEbob a écrit :

thx for answer, but i dont want linux... all my softs are on w7

Suck it up. YOU HAVE to install Windows 10. Stop being such a baby about it.

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kitty a écrit :

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I'm just pleased that the almighty "Kitty" who thinks they know everything about all forms of technology finally screwed up somewhere.

EDIT: My comment with the archived page was quietly removed so it's time to add it back. Here is the *VERY IMPORTANT* archived page of where Kitty told us that everything that runs inside of a virtual machine will behave the exact same way when run on real hardware in real life, IE admitting they don't know jack squat about anything technical:

https://web.archive.org/web/20231104012806/https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3877096256095454109/?tscn=1699058915

Everyone must know about the time "The Amazing Kitty" actually screwed up and got something wrong with technical information. They can actually be wrong too sometimes.

[kitty]

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kitty a écrit :

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I'm just pleased that the almighty "Kitty" who thinks they know everything about all forms of technology finally screwed up somewhere.

you know what's funny. you put this thread into wayback machine by yourself. just to carve in stone your humiliation.

[kitty]

M3GAHURTZ a écrit :

kitty a écrit :

I had no idea you're so bad, making fun of your shill mate poking his wounds like that...ouch :)

It's not them that I'm bookmarking: It's your comment that was archived. I can now reply that to you in the future every time you write something technical that's wrong or incorrect.

feel free to do that. let everyone know how clueless you are about tech. your departed buddy claimed I'm wrong because he cannot run old OS from 2004 on his 2023 PC and that virtual machine is different from his 2023 PC therefore it is only possible to run that 2004 OS in virtual machine which makes updates impossible on real PC.
see, I even explain it to you slowly, giving you one last chance to avoid making a fool of yourself.

I asked your buddy how he gonna teleport his 2023 PC into year 2004 to meet the condition of failure (where it won't be possible to run OS from 2004 on PC) but unfortunately he won't be able to reply for few days. probably you know the answer then?

don't be shy, surprise everyone with your bright ideas.

see, if we were to talk about the process that takes 2 decades (OS upgrades) it started 19 years ago in 2004 and Ubuntu 4.10 was compatible with hardware from 2004. saying that virtualbox gives an advantage in running an OS would be a lie, because it does the opposite.
in 2004 user had 100% compatibility with their hardware and virtualbox only emulates hardware of your modern PC + some adjustments, it cannot emulate PC from 2004 better than the original.

even knowing about this disadvantage changes nothing in the grand picture (you can have continuous upgrade from the beginning) therefore I say virtualbox changes nothing (it just confirms it was possible to achieve as all scripts are working)

[AlexTheRedScout]

blah blah blah what is this fnf

[kitty]

M3GAHURTZ a écrit :

kitty a écrit :

I asked your buddy how he gonna teleport his 2023 PC into year 2004

Nope. That's not what happened at all. You said everything that works in a virtual machine will work exactly the same way in real life when run on real hardware. Your own words. And now everyone will see that forever.

let's see, who's trying to spread misinformation here. I never said it is the same, I asked how it influences the end result. do you think you can gaslight me and lie without consequences? think no one will notice what you're doing here?

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 a écrit :

The only possible way they could of done that is by using a virtual machine. In real life the oldest version of ubuntu can not install or run on hardware that is capable of running the latest version.

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kitty a écrit :

how virtual machine is different from real PC in this regard?

You just proved to everyone that you actually don't have any technical knowledge about anything.

You just told everyone that you actually think anything that works in a virtual machine is going to work the exact same way in real life.

[Komarimaru]

Hmm, wonder if it's a VM thing, but on modern hardware, 4.10 freaked out even under Vesa. Tried on XP machine, and can't get it to update to 6.06 from 5.10

Was just a quick search and pulled from here.
http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/

Probably the hardware in the XP machine.