So we will no longer own games anymore?

[TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡]

I guess i spend so much money on games I don't even have ownership. Or maybe i didn't read the EULA on why I can't play games without Steam client running. I find it how stressful how I spent so much money on games 80, 90 towards 300CAD dollars for more content to keep playing and still, I can't play them without signing in.


Now imagine I have no internet to play Steam on and it signs me out after 2 weeks. Would the customer still be happy? no. because we all want our games to play with or without internet.

The devs, and the big guys who sells their games on here, for more DRM protection even though a lot of players won't crack and tamper with the DRM might make people want to stop buying.

Even the ones who doesn't pirate won't even consider of thinking about pirating a game unless the games from 10+ years are looking for a physical copy and not on the market anymore, harder to find, sure will do it just for emulations.

I do not want to spend another 90 dollars on a game i couldn't play without internet. And there should be no duration left on any game whatsoever. If we pay a lot of money to buy a regular game plus the DLC, it should be playable without online requirement. And i'm wholly sure Valve won't address this.


So what should we players do? in general of speaking.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

I guess i spend so much money on games I don't even have ownership. Or maybe i didn't read the EULA on why I can't play games without Steam client running. I find it how stressful how I spent so much money on games 80, 90 towards 300CAD dollars for more content to keep playing and still, I can't play them without signing in.

Yeah should have probably paid attention the SSA and what you're paying for bruh.

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

Now imagine I have no internet to play Steam on and it signs me out after 2 weeks. Would the customer still be happy? no. because we all want our games to play with or without internet.

Thems the breaks and the time period is closer to a month or two. And I'd think that if you're in that sort of situation I'd thing your priorirties would be less on oplaying your games and solving your no internet not even via smartphone tether situation.

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

The devs, and the big guys who sells their games on here, for more DRM protection even though a lot of players won't crack and tamper with the DRM might make people want to stop buying.

Locks exist to prevent those that would, not the many that wouldn't.

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

I do not want to spend another 90 dollars on a game i couldn't play without internet. And there should be no duration left on any game whatsoever. If we pay a lot of money to buy a regular game plus the DLC, it should be playable without online requirement. And i'm wholly sure Valve won't address this.


So what should we players do? in general of speaking.

We? This sounds very much like a you situation. I mean iof this is an issue for you maybe start shopping on GoG and give up on Steam.

[rawWwRrr]

Even when you got the games on physical media, you still only owned a license to play a copy of the game. The only people that own the games are the publishers/developers.

Always online requirements are obnoxious for single player games. However, as our society has moved to an always online culture, it isn't surprising. Although, I would agree that it needs to be curbed.

And, no, Valve isn't going to address it unless it's one of their own games. Vote with your wallet. That's the only way things are going to change. As long as the publishers keep getting boats of money regardless of what they do, they will continue to do whatever they want.

[d3str0y3r]

Buying games has never been a transfer of ownership, you are buying a license to play the game and nothing more.

As for DRM it is 100% up to the devs if they want to use Steam's DRM or any other DRM protection. A lot devs choose to do so because piracy is still a pretty major issue.

If don't want to be signed into Steam then it would be best to only buy DRM free games or use GOG.

Valve will not force devs to make their games DRM free.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

This ship sailed 20 years ago,. Welcome to the future.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

So what should we players do? in general of speaking.

It's really simple, with certain exceptions you can have a backup copy of pretty much any game that you've purchased on Steam.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

So we will no longer own games anymore?

We never "owned" games to begin with, even when physical copies of games were the common medium. We purchase limited licenses to access & play games.

As for Windows 7, please give my thread "PSA for Windows 7 users" a read, I hope it helps.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

So we will no longer own games anymore?

We never "owned" games to begin with, even when physical copies of games were the common medium. We purchase limited licenses to access & play games.

People say that they owned games just for the sake of brevity, I know that I do not own Perfect Dark but its cartridge, which I can sell anytime I want. So while I do not own the game, I own the cartridge.

[Benzedrine]

It's amazing that after all this time people STILL don't understand that all they own is a license, both with physical and digital copies. Read the SSA, don't sign up for things you don't agree with. As for the online requirement, it has nothing to do with Steam but the developers, use GOG if it's that much of an issue.

[TornadoShun 🌪☀⭐⚡]

Originally posted by MiaxMercury:

It's amazing that after all this time people STILL don't understand that all they own is a license, both with physical and digital copies. Read the SSA, don't sign up for things you don't agree with. As for the online requirement, it has nothing to do with Steam but the developers, use GOG if it's that much of an issue.

Apparently you haven't read what I said so i get what you mean. Steam is not the one who installs DRM in video games. It is the devs ad the publishers. I am not sure why people on this discussion will jump the gun, instead of ever understanding what the person says what they just acknowledged.

[Benzedrine]

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

Originally posted by MiaxMercury:

It's amazing that after all this time people STILL don't understand that all they own is a license, both with physical and digital copies. Read the SSA, don't sign up for things you don't agree with. As for the online requirement, it has nothing to do with Steam but the developers, use GOG if it's that much of an issue.

Apparently you haven't read what I said so i get what you mean. Steam is not the one who installs DRM in video games. It is the devs ad the publishers. I am not sure why people on this discussion will jump the gun, instead of ever understanding what the person says what they just acknowledged.

Right, but this isn't a Steam or Valve issue. Complain to the developers/publishers or play DRM free games.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by TornadoShun:

Apparently you haven't read what I said so i get what you mean. Steam is not the one who installs DRM in video games. It is the devs ad the publishers. I am not sure why people on this discussion will jump the gun, instead of ever understanding what the person says what they just acknowledged.

Licensing and DRM are different facets of the same subject.

Every game sold ever has been licensed. So you've never 'owned' a game in the classical sense you apply the term to a chair, for example.

DRM is only a tool for developers to verify the licensing terms are followed. And being online is one of the ways they verify it. Sure most people won't break them and are responsible users who can be trusted. But in the same way speed radars aren't placed for people who drive at the right speed, DRM restrictions aren't there for the ones who follow the licensing terms regardless.

It's inconvenient? At times, sure. But the online requirement is barely a nuisance in the actual day where internet connections are pretty much everywhere (Yeah. I know there's persons with specific situations, but policies are designed for people)

Should games not have online requirements except when required? In a perfect world, absolutely. But we're far from living in one. Best you can do is to vote with your wallet or look for devs and venues that follow your philosophy.

[Crazy Tiger]

DRM with the intent to limit what one can do has been around since before games went digital. Publishers tried the limited activation DRM back then already.

[Metal Izanagi]

Uh....bro? You NEVER owned software. It's always been a license, even before Steam. There's nothing any of us can do about it; stuff like this is decided by old white dudes far from where we can influence them.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

It's really odd that it always seems to be these fairly old accounts who don't realize this stuff, until just now....

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It's really odd that it always seems to be these fairly old accounts who don't realize this stuff, until just now....

Hey, my accounts old as dirt, and I know these things lol