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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:14
Thread locking is the best example of bias
Obviously it is impossible to see why forum users get banned and if the ban was fair, but I figured out another way to better see Steam moderator bias on this forum.

Thread locking is not just easily visible but shows how random they are. Check it out yourself and see what they do and don't lock. It is clearly bias.
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引用自 MonkehMaster:
引用自 Low Standards：
引用自 Thermal Lance：
It's a throwaway line that basically means that the thread has run it's course and moderation think nothing of value will come out of it at that point.

I don't agree with every single lock. But, most of them fit that perfectly.

I agree. Look at all the ones that are not LOCKED! You guys only see what you want. I have had enough here. Good luck guys.

apparently and as i was told back in the volunteer moderator days, they dont moderate anything unless we report it, basically they are being paid while we do their jobs and the mods cant even do that properly... its ridiculous.

sad thing is, the reports either go on ignored/lost, or it take ages to handle, or said person doesnt receive punishment even though the person broke rules.

i have seen threads locked and reports i made on some people simply not even be handled, then the same person/people running around a forum continuing to do that stuff.

i have also seen specific people for years breaking rules and 99% of the time said people never get punished.

while some have to sit around watching others not get in trouble for their behavior, while other have to waste their time getting false bans/warnings removed (along with the excessive ban length times).

even worse, steam support wont even bother giving proper answer as to why any of this happens, seems they wont even acknowledge that there is some major issues with moderation, that not only causes major issue with steam users, but steam support as well.

the rules arent as clear as some might say, where in there does it clearly explain the rules on discussions?

all i see is these...

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

Examples of disrespectful content include:

Insults or harassment
Threats or encouragement of harm
Trolling or baiting arguments
Discrimination
Bypassing word or content filters
Public accusations towards others

Be constructive and avoid off-topic content

Hubs and discussion threads all have their own purpose & topic. Make sure that contributions are relevant and constructive.

Examples of off-topic content include:

Spamming
Posting topics in incorrect hubs
Re-posting closed, modified or deleted content
Derailing a discussion or topic
Bumping threads

https://store.steampowered.com/online_conduct?snr=

Violate others’ personal rights:

Examples of such prohibited behavior include: doxing; scamming; stealing; impersonating; stalking; accessing other users’ Steam accounts; and posting libelous or defamatory statements.

Harass other users or Steam personnel:

Examples of such prohibited behavior include: trolling; baiting; threatening; spamming; intimidating; and using abusive language or insults.

but yet ban notification always seem to be something completely different from the rules and the words they use in the notifications (combative, argumentative or likely to derail, which is one example), are what what 90% of people in these steam forums do and have been doing, yet some never get in trouble while others do.

heck steam support and likely the mods if they even spoke, cant even understand the rules themselves, or even site them and/or clarify, heck these moderators just seem ban happy in my opinion, i personally have had to have about 5 or so false bans removed, 1 false warning and almost every time its either "excessive" or "unwarranted"..... and thats just me, imagine all the other and even the ones who dont bother contesting moderation.

i personally would love to know why some users can, run around accusing people of stuff, bringing up off topic threads and post history towards a user and in any case, basically harassing/stalking other users, being defamatory and inflammatory, going from thread to thread arguing with people, some for months on end... and not once get punished even after all the reports, while others have to tip toe with their words or get instantly banned.

edit: i have even had people threaten me with moderation, mostly false accusations, while others simply state they will be looking to make reports on me, which is stalking and harassment, along with threats, but its even funnier how even with clear evidence of threatening with false reports and they dont get in trouble and i end up with false bans and a bunch of valuable wasted time on my behalf or steam supports.

i have also mentioned this before, but just take a look through your report history (under account data), you will find tons of it has slipped through the cracks and was never even looked at, ie... reviews, profiles and some other stuff i cant remember off hand.

i know certain people like to claim conspiracies 24/7 when anyone mentions stuff might be happening, but there is a clear as day issue with moderation and with some people getting away with everything, while others dont.

i also cant stand that a moderator will go in for a report, possibly glance through a thread and only punish the reports, while all the other comments in front of them, dont even get touched, unless reported and assuming it doesnt go ignored, these mods should be surfing the forums themselves and handling rule breaking, not waiting around for reports.

edit: i mean, they are being paid to do a job, yet we do more than half of it for them... and i dont care about the "it costs money" arguments, thats just plain bad faith arguments, valve makes plenty of money to have their mods do their own jobs.

edit: let me also add, to this on review reports and the false narrative that has been a part of steam for awhile, where "review bombing" comes into play and i see the positive side of reviews being "review bombed" 99% on all games on steam, way worse than i have seen any negative "Review bombs", positive reviews are filled with steam points farming spam, blank review spam and 1-2 word or number/letter/symbol spam, ascii spam, meme spam, and a bunch of off topic spam about ignoring or complaining about negative reviews.

said positive review bombing skews game review scores higher than they should be, yet reporting the rule breaking reviews amounts to almost nothing, unless it has has some seriously inappropriate stuff being said.... and/or its brought up and linked directly to a valve employee.

edit: lets also add that, steam not only knows who owns what alt accounts, but ignores that and still uses "moderation history" to handle punishments, so now we get to alt accounts.... that are being used by a person(s) dodging punishment on an alt, that may or may not have an extensive moderation history, compared to their main account.

in the end, the steam forums are just horrible, they werent that great back in the day either, but now its just plain bad.

TDLR: imo moderation is quite bad and im not sure if i cant, not see, bias being an issue.
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Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:30 
And what exactly do they do and don't lock? As far as I know they only lock necros (which I 200% support) and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.
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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:30 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
And what exactly do they do and don't lock? As far as I know they only lock necros (which I 200% support) and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Then you haven't done your research.
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Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:33 
引用自 Low Standards：
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
And what exactly do they do and don't lock? As far as I know they only lock necros (which I 200% support) and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Then you haven't done your research.
If you're not ready to provide proof or even a semblance of reasoning then there is no reason to even discuss this.
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Pierce Dalton 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:35 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...
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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 5:41 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
引用自 Low Standards：

Then you haven't done your research.
If you're not ready to provide proof or even a semblance of reasoning then there is no reason to even discuss this.

Certainly not with you - correct.
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MonkehMaster 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:16 
sometimes they just lock threads instead of handing out punishments to the offenders, which doesnt help at all.

that and reports take ages to be handled.... or they just happen to forget to send notifications on reports.
最後修改者：MonkehMaster; 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:18
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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:24 
引用自 Pierce Dalton：
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...

Exactly m friend. The irony.
最後修改者：Low Standards; 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:25
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BJWyler 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:25 
引用自 MonkehMaster：
sometimes they just lock threads instead of handing out punishments to the offenders, which doesnt help at all.

that and reports take ages to be handled.... or they just happen to forget to send notifications on reports.
Well, there is no question that moderation can be, and is inconsistent. I did a test a while back, which involves creating a thread that I have reposted in my profile. That thread was locked within 30 minutes of being posted - no other action or report was noted. However, at the time, there were two other threads that had been up for hours with scam links posted in them. It was hours after my thread was locked before they finally disappeared. So yes, moderation is inconsistent - it's been that way since its inception, and will always be that way - be it a human or an AI on the other side.

There's no real mystery or conspiracy here. This is nothing out of the ordinary or any different that what I have experienced as a Forum Warrior, Moderator, and Host over the course of 30 years of the Internet. What does continue to surprise me is the neverending idea that there is some kind of conspiracy behind any forum's moderation. I guess some things never really change.
最後修改者：BJWyler; 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:32
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lsdninja 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:28 
引用自 Pierce Dalton：
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...

That’s also in Off Topic. OT is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
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Pierce Dalton 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 lsdninja：
引用自 Pierce Dalton：

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...

That’s also in Off Topic. OT is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And? That doesn't change anything.
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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:55 
引用自 Pierce Dalton：
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
and heated topics which are too dangerous to keep alive.

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...
Which only proves, that things would be better off had the volunteer moderators stayed. They didn't lock threads or moderate threads, solely based on reports. I mean of course, they acted on reports, but they also acted with common sense, if they saw a time bomb of a thread, it was locked or dealt with regardless of whether it was reported or not.
最後修改者：C²C^Guyver |NZB|; 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:56
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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:57 
引用自 Pierce Dalton：
引用自 lsdninja：

That’s also in Off Topic. OT is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And? That doesn't change anything.
The topic would have been moderated by the volunteer moderators, simply on the subject alone. I mean seriously, why ban that user based on his actions in that thread, yet not lock it?
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Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:58 
Don't you see the circle jerking irony of the fact that OP state that they hate when they lock thread, only to see that the only "proof" of whatever they even care to provide goes against the whole idea? Because if anything, providing a link to a thread OP think should be closed already soooo prove that mods are biased and just close every thread under the sun without a reason... Right?

If you guys can't see we're being invited to gather and dance under a bridge...
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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:59 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：
引用自 Pierce Dalton：

Like this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3874842132569226533/

Seems they forgot to lock it because it didn't get enough reports...
Which only proves, that things would be better off had the volunteer moderators stayed. They didn't lock threads or moderate threads, based on reports. I mean of course, they acted on reports, but they also acted with common sense, if they saw a time bomb of a thread, it was locked or dealt with regardless of whether it was reported or not.

It is not they forgot, but the forums guidelines are way to vague like I mentioned previously. They would need less moderators and that saves the company money.

The need to create safe spaces for people who can't hear criticism is just silly. I guess this is how the world works today though, so I am not surprised.
最後修改者：Low Standards; 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 6:59
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Low Standards 2023 年 10 月 29 日 上午 7:00 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire：
Don't you see the circle jerking irony of the fact that OP state that they hate when they lock thread, only to see that the only "proof" of whatever they even care to provide goes against the whole idea? Because if anything, providing a link to a thread OP think should be closed already soooo prove that mods are biased and just close every thread under the sun without a reason... Right?

If you guys can't see we're being invited to gather and dance under a bridge...

You just make no sense.
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