PSA for Windows 7 users

[Heraclius Caesar]

I'll try to keep this as succinct and respectful as possible. If I falter in that, please pardon me.

Windows 7 came out in 2009. 14 years and 5 days ago to be exact. I don't know about you guys, but I had a great time back in 2009. I was getting my associates degree, going to parties and clubs, making a ton of money. I bought a Cadillac in 2009, loved that car.

That being said, 2009 was quite some time ago. Many moons in the past. A lot has changed since then.

It's about to be the year 2024. We're living in the future now, apparently. And yet, there seems to be confusion here in the forums.

For example, there's a fair amount of people who seem to be under the impression that Valve made Windows 7 and is responsible for continuing to support it indefinitely.

So here's the facts of the matter:

Valve did not make Windows 7. Microsoft made Windows 7.

Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 7 early 2020. Despite that, and surprisingly, Valve has continued to support Windows 7 systems for 3+ years after Microsoft, the company that made Windows 7, stopped supporting it. Valve didn't have to do that. They could have easily dropped support when Microsoft did.

This means that Valve is not responsible or obligated in any way to continue dealing with Windows 7 systems.

Valve has fairly generously provided Windows 7 users with a year long window to give them plenty of time to either "upgrade" to a more recent version of Windows or switch to Linux or whatever. Realistically, they didn't have to do that. They could have just waited until January 2024 and then hit you Windows 7 folks with a banner saying you won't have access, figure it out, etc. In hindsight that probably would have been better and would have avoided the hundred Windows 7 complaint threads.

When we signed up for Steam, we all agreed to keep our systems up to date and in line with what Steam supports. They told us in that agreement that we all agreed to that system requirements are subject to change. If you disagree with that now and don't want to change from Windows 7, then it would actually be you that isn't holding up your end of the deal, not Valve/Steam/Gabe Newell.

This decision cannot be appealed and isn't going to be reversed, just like it wasn't when Steam stopped supporting older versions of Windows.

No amount of spamming Windows 7 complaint threads is going to change that. No matter how many times you call out to "Mr Newell" and say his name over and over again in your posts and put a Steam emoticon next to it, he's not going to swoop in and save Windows 7 for you or build you a legacy client or a basically experimental version of Steam that will still run on Windows 7. That's pure delusion.

You not wanting to be inconvenienced and not wanting to have to spend some time on installing a new OS and reinstalling your programs and games and possibly getting a new PC is beyond irrelevant to Mr Newell, his company, and everyone else in the world that you hope will sympathize and commiserate with you.

You've had and still have plenty of time to acquire and get used to an OS that Steam supports going forward. If we could all be a little more rational and mature about things that we find displeasing or upsetting this forum would be a much better place.

Thank you for reading.

[kitty]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di kitty:

you're wrong.

Yep. I said something different. You don't like that someone said something different so I'm wrong again. This is the same damn thing from you in every damn message: EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG. Typical Kitty.

typical "M3GAHURTZ":
FOLLOW THE SPECS LIKE A BIBLE

KItty:
specs are useless to measure your performance in game

specs:
we need 1Gb VRAM

user:
gt 630 1Gb here we go..... loading..... 3 FPS in lobby

M3GAHURTZ:
I am not wrong, it's Kitty!

[kitty]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

I think you do not understand what this word means so I will attempt to explain it for you. The important part of that word is REQUIRE. REQUIRE means "MUST HAVE". As in if a game lists something in it's System REQUIREMENTS then we MUST HAVE what is stated there to play the game correctly.....

If you don't do that then you are "completely on your own" because you are doing it wrong.

so you started with the claim "we MUST HAVE what is stated there to play the game correctly"
so what do we have "there"?

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

MINIMUM:
OS: Windows® 10
Processor: 4 hardware CPU threads - Intel® Core™ i5 750 or higher
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Video card must be 1 GB or more and should be a DirectX 11-compatible with support for Shader Model 5.0
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 85 GB available space

As I have said: This game actually REQUIRES Windows 10 at a minimum to play the game correctly. It doesn't matter if it "appears to run" on Windows 7. You still are not using the game correctly as the developers intended.

then you repeat same thing stating " It doesn't matter if it "appears to run" on Windows 7. You still are not using the game correctly as the developers intended"
same logic can be applied to every spec. by saying this you make a statement that video card with 1Gb VRAM is what "developers intended"

naturally I said you're wrong, because I doubt Valve wanted everyone to run it in 3 FPS.
these specs make no sense.

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

According to you everyone else is always wrong wrong wrong wrong when they write anything that is different than what you think you know to be true.

not everyone, actually people usually stand corrected if they're wrong. no one makes a drama about it.

say, if you're not wrong and specs are real and should be honored, would you play this game with 3-5 FPS?

[Heraclius Caesar]

Messaggio originale di NoTimeToulose:

First off I just want to say that I understand...

You say that you understand a few times throughout your post but then you rail against it. In all fairness the thing came out 14+ years ago. Regardless of your circumstances, you've had and still have plenty of time to figure things out. I thought I made this fairly clear in the thread post but Valve/Steam isn't obligated to offer a "plank" or a legacy client or whatever for a 14+ year old OS that Valve/Steam didn't make.

You want a plank or etc then go with the Steam Deck or a Linux distribution on PC and you'll most likely never have to worry about this sort of situation again.

You were told in the agreement you agreed to when you made your Steam account that system requirements were subject to change. That's what's happening here. You agreed to keep your system in line with the operating systems that Steam supports, so Valve/Steam isn't on the hook for any wrongdoing here, despite what some seem to think.

Again, you've had and still have plenty of time to figure it out. Frankly, if finances are an issue then you probably need to reassess your priorities and put gaming on the back burner for now until you're in a more secure position. No one is stopping you or any of these other guys who go with the pauper excuse from going out into the world and making a few dollars.

It's wild to me that anyone would actually even use such an excuse and take the time to type out a long diatribe about it, it's like you're saying that you'd rather complain on a forum instead of improving your situation and that at no point in the last however many years did you bother to improve your situation. You'll find no sympathy or commiseration from me, we all have our own problems and crosses to bear and obligations. It is what it is buddy.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Messaggio originale di MonkehMaster:

Messaggio originale di Heraclius Caesar:

Let it go buddy you'll be alright

nope.

? Lol ok. There's a small part of me that is genuinely mildly interested in finding out what you Windows 7 dudes just aren't getting about the situation. But whatever, if you want to be obstinate go for it, certainly not my problem.

Messaggio originale di MonkehMaster:

if they went away...

I could be wrong but I assumed the user you're replying to there meant "went away" in the sense that Steam dropped support for them.

Messaggio originale di MonkehMaster:

Messaggio originale di Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

thankfully it will be gone from steam

no it wont, but have fun thinking it will.

Can you amplify on this one a bit if you feel like? How exactly won't it be gone from Steam?

[bidulless]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di kitty:

naturally I said you're wrong

Okay. You made it perfectly clear that you don't even understand how what you are doing is so awful. You're never going to change. You're just going to continue being a mean, rude, ungrateful jerk to everyone all the time and the moderators just let you run around doing it. But then everyone else that does the same thing earns a ban. I have no idea how in the name of heck you are so special (Or what you did or paid to the moderators to get them to ignore you) that you can frequently violate multiple steam forum rules and nothing happens to you.

Apparently there's nothing anyone can do about you and your complete crap you spew out of your fingers. There's not much more to do at this point other than to sit back and watch and hope that some day your get your comeuppance that you're due.

Just remember: If you continue being mean to others like that on a regular basis then some day when you least expect it Karma will swing around and kick you when you're already the most down.

Hello

Do not pull the rope too much for you also.
I promised to stay quiet to @Heraclius Caesar as he thought i hijacket his thread and it wasn't my attention but let's quick talk about game requirement one last time because it's not the subject open by our OP.

I picket the first f2p game available on the store today and now and i played it.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1719390/Cards_and_Castles_2/?snr=1_4_4__145
and just in case you can't read it system requirement, here it is


Minimum:
OS: Windows® 10 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo or equivalent
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 GT or equivalent
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 2 GB available space
Now you can go to my play history and see it , i can take screenshot if you want but i guess you do not need ti

And just for you , it's the same for cs2
Minimum:
OS: Windows® 10
Processor: 4 hardware CPU threads - Intel® Core™ i5 750 or higher
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Video card must be 1 GB or more and should be a DirectX 11-compatible with support for Shader Model 5.0
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 85 GB available space

Before arguing with people try to verify by yourself instead but yeah i am stupid you do not have windows 7 so you can't verify that by yourself but this game is also in my playlist history
33 minutes ...

[Qbert ⭐]

So... whats the point of all this derailment?, Steam client wont support old OS... discussing over minium game requirements or how you feel abou it wont change whats going to happen on Jan 1st.

The faster you accept those facts the better for everyone.

[kitty]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

I have no idea how in the name of heck you are so special (Or what you did or paid to the moderators to get them to ignore you) that you can frequently violate multiple steam forum rules and nothing happens to you

I'm no special, you're just triggered because you can't spew your nonsense and lies and I'm the one of the few people here who refuses to take it.
If you hate being wrong to the point you would whine about me for days, then remove yourself from win7 threads.
go lecture clueless folks in meet and greet section. you'll have better success rate there than coming to discussion that requires technical knowledge.
I'm surprised steam still allows you to speak as nothing constructive comes out of your fingers, only lies, threats and moaning when you can't back your claim.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di kitty:

I'm no special, you're just triggered because you can't spew your nonsense and lies and I'm the one of the few people here who refuses to take it.
If you hate being wrong to the point you would whine about me for days, then remove yourself from win7 threads.
go lecture clueless folks in meet and greet section. you'll have better success rate there than coming to discussion that requires technical knowledge.
I'm surprised steam still allows you to speak as nothing constructive comes out of your fingers, only lies, threats and moaning when you can't back your claim.

I'm free to say whatever I want to say. You can't police me. You can't tell me what to say or what not to say. And if you keep trying I'm going to keep reporting you until some day someone does something. You can't tell people not to say things in the steam forums. Everyone is free to say anything they want to say here even if "you think they are wrong". You repeatedly trying to force "you are wrong" down people's throats and then harassing them, insulting them, and yelling at them just because you think they are wrong is awful. You are a terrible awful person.

Save you are wrong, the United States dismisses claims of Freedom of Speech when dealing with Private companies. Steam is a private platform, as such what you can and cannot say is strictly regulated by Valve here and no one else.

And if someone says your wrong, then ask for how your wrong, if they provide proof of how your wrong then move on, because unlike how you think, what you just claimed to be doing is called Mass Reporting which is against Steam rules (AKA False Reporting) which gets you in more trouble then the person your reporting.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

And Kitty has a damn good reason that she does, she is more or less a tech genius here, she's been involved with several web browsers that I've never heard of that very few others have and is far more aware of how technology functions on a machine. She's not one that typically will stay nice after a first few posts (no disrespect Kitty) but she will bring down the logic hammer hard each time she posts, thats just how she responds.

In this case, thats called using "Brutal Logic and responses" which is not against Steam rules, if she tells you that your in the wrong when speaking on technology then 9 out of 10 times, we are indeed in the actual wrong. What your doing is attempting to argue back with someone who bluntly made it clear that you do not know what your speaking about but has also made it clear they do not wish to discuss it with you as you do not comprehend why.

Thats not being rude, thats just brutal honesty at work. And for what it is worth when she says your clueless on Windows 7 and has to finally explain it fully to you in a long exasperated post. Hell the fact I went back a page and see she didn't respond with rudeness but literally the actual logic on how specs on a machine works with a few emojis displays how your taking your rage out on users who literally are telling you how things really do function and your not happy with being told it.

Hell what you said at the bottom on post 240 can be taken as a threat at best and at worst, you threatened to actually take action against her because of your own rage. The fact I can see how she explained things to you yet you went out of your way to just ignore it displays your indeed an angry kid trying to argue against someone with far more many years of experiance.

[kitty]

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

She's not one that typically will stay nice after a first few posts (no disrespect Kitty) but she will bring down the logic hammer hard each time she posts, thats just how she responds.

no offense taken :)
very good summary.

[SolidSonicMania]

I wish Steam still worked on Windows XP in some fashion. I have games that just play better on that OS with period-accurate hardware.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

Thats not being rude, thats just brutal honesty at work.

But it is extremely rude. Imagine talking to someone in person in real life and every single thing you say the other person only responds with "You're wrong." ... say something else "Nope. You're still wrong." Say another thing. "Wrong again". Every single time we say anything. Wouldn't you feel frustrated in a conversation like that? Would you enjoy that? That is exactly what they are doing here.

Yes I would expect political members of state, researchers/scientists, military people, people who know what their speaking of, those that are more aware of a subject then others and tech experts to actually say this, its very common for tech experts to hate raging twerps.

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

Hell what you said at the bottom on post 240 can be taken as a threat at best and at worst, you threatened to actually take action against her because of your own rage. The fact I can see how she explained things to you yet you went out of your way to just ignore it displays your indeed an angry kid trying to argue against someone with far more many years of experiance.

Actually I'm in my 60's and I've used computers since MS-DOS was first released way back when and before that. I've worked professionally in data centers, internet cafes and even taught at a local college. I likely know more than Kitty (or you) ever thought you could know about technology but I'm not allowed to discuss that around here. Every time I say anything Kitty is right there to shut me down by saying I'm wrong and then they try (VERY HARD) to get me to shutup, go away, and quit responding. Whatever Kitty thinks is right is the only thing that anyone else is allowed to discuss. If anyone says anything different then Kitty will try to silence them whatever way they can. No one is allowed to have any other thoughts or opinions about a technical subject as long as Kitty is around. It's Kitty's way or the highway, GTFO, shutup, go away, Kitty is always right.

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Dude I don't care if you were a century old, nothing in gives you a right to treat anyone with a threat, nothing in your existance could you experience gives you the power to tell othes how to act, how to think, what to do or how to act, you cannot tell Kitty to shutup but in that same bowl of porrage, she cannot tell you to be quite either, that however does not give you any leway in acting like a baby.

I dont care if your a nuclear physicist that build Chicago Pile 1, if you act like a brat, your going to be treated like a brat, end of discussion

[MonkehMaster]

Messaggio originale di SolidSonicMania:

I wish Steam still worked on Windows XP in some fashion. I have games that just play better on that OS with period-accurate hardware.

it does, but some stuff is broken and i havent bothered looking to see if anyone fixed said stuff, but i think it still runs well enough to play games in offline mode.

[MonkehMaster]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

Thats not being rude, thats just brutal honesty at work.

But it is extremely rude. Imagine talking to someone in person in real life and every single thing you say the other person only responds with "You're wrong." ... say something else "Nope. You're still wrong." Say another thing. "Wrong again". Every single time we say anything. Wouldn't you feel frustrated in a conversation like that? Would you enjoy that? That is exactly what they are doing here. They don't let anyone discuss anything or say anything that they think is different. They just slap everyone with "You're wrong. Go away."

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

Hell what you said at the bottom on post 240 can be taken as a threat at best and at worst, you threatened to actually take action against her because of your own rage. The fact I can see how she explained things to you yet you went out of your way to just ignore it displays your indeed an angry kid trying to argue against someone with far more many years of experiance.

Actually I'm in my 60's and I've used computers since MS-DOS was first released way back when and before that. I've worked professionally in data centers, internet cafes and even taught at a local college. I likely know more than Kitty (or you) ever thought you could know about technology but I'm not allowed to discuss that around here. Every time I say anything Kitty is right there to shut me down by saying I'm wrong and then they try (VERY HARD) to get me to shutup, go away, and quit responding. Whatever Kitty thinks is right is the only thing that anyone else is allowed to discuss. If anyone says anything different then Kitty will try to silence them whatever way they can. No one is allowed to have any other thoughts or opinions about a technical subject as long as Kitty is around. It's Kitty's way or the highway, GTFO, shutup, go away, Kitty is always right.

you claim to have worked in tech stuff, yet you dont understand how recommended game specs work., seems odd to me...

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di M3GAHURTZ:

Messaggio originale di Sly Succubus:

I dont care if your a nuclear physicist that build Chicago Pile 1, if you act like a brat, your going to be treated like a brat, end of discussion

Exactly. That's how it works. And if Kitty acts like an arse then they get treated like an arse. If they want to be treated like an adult then maybe they should act like one. I'm only behaving this way because that's how they are treating us in the forums.

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Your not acting like an adult, your acting like an angry school dropout whos mad over the fact their wrong, blocked and moving on, not dealing with Channers today