Steam has thrown Turkish & Argentinian Players under the Bus.

[βτ ❀American Eagle❀]

I'm so angry and I feel so betrayed by Steam. Turkish People are one of the most loyal customers of Steam and we were just got betrayed by the very same company. Adjusting prices to USD is madness nothing more. There is a consistent pattern throughout history. When you up prices directly or indirectly and make it impossible for people to afford it you will have encouraged people to piracy. I will be unwillingly switching to Epic games unless this decision is reversed.. Turkish and Argentinian customers demand reconsideration of this decision. Conversion to USD is a suicide mission. If this happens Steam will lose one of its most loyal customer base and we will lose a very advanced gaming platform. Please RECONSIDER.

[Kage Goomba]

Frank Honey の投稿を引用：

I know this is bad situation for Steam-ers in Turkey and Argentine

But let’s put it this way

Steam has been kind and fair for how long? More than 10 Years?

With this new policies, maybe it’s time to clear the Backlog.

About new games, maybe try it first from another source before buy.

Only buy good great games that can last years, which have high replay value.

Steam has been Steam - neither kind nor rude nor anything.

They are a business - a business that is subject to Exchange Rates.
Its on the devs to set the prices beyond Steam's baseline.

If people can't figure that out - well that's on them.

Shop somewhere else - or wait - or keep yelling - won't change the facts.

[TTSHAR.-]

Slim の投稿を引用：

☎need4naiim☎ の投稿を引用：

Again none of this makes sense. Those regions are being punished because the exchange rates would have a developer receive as little as 5 cents USD for a $60USD. That is how worthless some of those regions currencies are.

Well, if that's the case... the issue is strictly between STEAM (VALVe) and the Developer/Publisher.

The conversion rate in Steam wallets for Argentine users (ARS to USD) was 370 ARS per dollar. So, if the developer sets or set the price in ARS, for example: 22200 ARS, and STEAM uses a conversion rate (I'll use the conversion rate that STEAM used to convert ARS wallets to USD) of 370 ARS per USD... then the user from the Argentine store would be paying 60 USD (22200 ARS / 370 ARS = 60 USD).

If the developer/publisher is receiving 5 cents... someone is pocketing 59.95 USD...
(And even if the conversion rate were 1000 ARS, the developer should receive 15 USD ((22200 ARS / 1000 ARS) - 35% from STEAM)...

Now, for example, the price of "7 Days to Die" was around 300 ARS (According to STEAMDB), and on discount, it went down to about 68 ARS. That developer/publisher was receiving crumbs... Now it's at 6 USD = 2220 ARS (6 USD * 370 ARS).
Another reverse example, the price of "SCUM." At the beginning of January 2023, it was 400 ARS and increased in August to 6870 ARS (6870 ARS / 370 ARS = 18.56 USD). Now it's at 20 USD = 7400 ARS (20 USD * 370 ARS).

Obviously, all this without considering the taxes applied to Argentine users by the Argentine government, which is 150% of the value. For example, in the CURRENT case of "SCUM," the Argentine user would be paying 20000 ARS for "SCUM" (20 USD * 1000 ARS [Official Dollar Rate + 155% taxes]).

[Slim]

TTSHAR.- の投稿を引用：

Slim の投稿を引用：

Again none of this makes sense. Those regions are being punished because the exchange rates would have a developer receive as little as 5 cents USD for a $60USD. That is how worthless some of those regions currencies are.

Well, if that's the case... the issue is strictly between STEAM (VALVe) and the Developer/Publisher.

The conversion rate in Steam wallets for Argentine users (ARS to USD) was 370 ARS per dollar. So, if the developer sets or set the price in ARS, for example: 22200 ARS, and STEAM uses a conversion rate (I'll use the conversion rate that STEAM used to convert ARS wallets to USD) of 370 ARS per USD... then the user from the Argentine store would be paying 60 USD (22200 ARS / 370 ARS = 60 USD).

This sounds a little contradictory. Isn't the entire complaint of the issue that people would have to pay 22200 pesos for the work? Who incurs the foreign transaction and currency conversion fees in what you just described?

[+Analbi]

I believe this was a prediction from Valve, smart choice.

Javier Milei, the elect president of my country, Argentina, mentioned how much he wants to dollarize argentine economy.

Bleh

[TTSHAR.-]

Slim の投稿を引用：

TTSHAR.- の投稿を引用：

Well, if that's the case... the issue is strictly between STEAM (VALVe) and the Developer/Publisher.

The conversion rate in Steam wallets for Argentine users (ARS to USD) was 370 ARS per dollar. So, if the developer sets or set the price in ARS, for example: 22200 ARS, and STEAM uses a conversion rate (I'll use the conversion rate that STEAM used to convert ARS wallets to USD) of 370 ARS per USD... then the user from the Argentine store would be paying 60 USD (22200 ARS / 370 ARS = 60 USD).

This sounds a little contradictory. Isn't the entire complaint of the issue that people would have to pay 22200 pesos for the work? Who incurs the foreign transaction and currency conversion fees in what you just described?

No. The complaint arises from the fact that they changed the currency in the store to USD, and we now have exactly the same price as in the USA store, and on top of that, it's restricted. So now, the Argentine user, instead of paying 22k pesos (60 USD according to STEAM conversion) + taxes, has to pay 60k pesos + taxes. This is because the majority of developers/publishers did not change their prices and regionalize them.

STEAM, in this region, accepts ONLY (for now) cards of Argentine origin, and when you make a purchase, STEAM receives the payment automatically. There is no intermediary (as it used to be in the past or as it happens in Brazil where the intermediary is "BoaCompra"). So, I repeat, if the developer who priced their game at 22,000 ARS and received 5 cents should complain to STEAM because they were robbed of 59.95 USD, and the exchange rate in Argentina, used by the market, was never at 1100 ARS (22,000 ARS * 0.05 USD = 1100 ARS).

[Heraclius Caesar]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

i think you missed the detail where he said microsoft store and epic had regional pricing for their still loyal customers

And? I didn't miss it, it just doesn't matter. We're on Steam, who cares what other stores are doing?

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

well you missed a lot of things and are making weird assumptions

Nah, you just don't like someone stating the facts and the reality of the situation.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

edit: bro you in usa, do you even understand the concept of ppp? L take and obvious bait, BLOCKED

Oh no, some rando troll from Pakistan who hasn't played a game in over 4 years got upset about the truth and blocked me, I'm devastated.

[Max]

All you that's happened when monopoly is the player,

wish epic was smart to make profiles and fourms instead of free 999 games, you can't relay on family friendly louncher for 15+y old users.

[βτ ❀American Eagle❀]

Frank Honey の投稿を引用：

I know this is bad situation for Steam-ers in Turkey and Argentine

But let’s put it this way

Steam has been kind and fair for how long? More than 10 Years?

With this new policies, maybe it’s time to clear the Backlog.

About new games, maybe try it first from another source before buy.

Only buy good great games that can last years, which have high replay value.

Exactly. I'm only buying must-have games on Steam that are not on Epic Games from now on. Epic Games offer good value. I recommend everyone, whether you're based in Turkey or Argentina.

[Kage Goomba]

TTSHAR.- の投稿を引用：

Slim の投稿を引用：

This sounds a little contradictory. Isn't the entire complaint of the issue that people would have to pay 22200 pesos for the work? Who incurs the foreign transaction and currency conversion fees in what you just described?

No. The complaint arises from the fact that they changed the currency in the store to USD, and we now have exactly the same price as in the USA store, and on top of that, it's restricted. So now, the Argentine user, instead of paying 22k pesos (60 USD according to STEAM conversion) + taxes, has to pay 60k pesos + taxes. This is because the majority of developers/publishers did not change their prices and regionalize them.

STEAM, in this region, accepts ONLY (for now) cards of Argentine origin, and when you make a purchase, STEAM receives the payment automatically. There is no intermediary (as it used to be in the past or as it happens in Brazil where the intermediary is "BoaCompra"). So, I repeat, if the developer who priced their game at 22,000 ARS and received 5 cents should complain to STEAM because they were robbed of 59.95 USD, and the exchange rate in Argentina, used by the market, was never at 1100 ARS (22,000 ARS * 0.05 USD = 1100 ARS).

You didn't finish your homework.
The price didn't change - its just a different currency.
You'd be paying the same price even if it was in your currency.

The publishers set the price - not Steam - Steam uses a baseline - if the publisher refuses to adjust it... that's on them.

[Sakura]

βτ ❀American Eagle❀ の投稿を引用：

Frank Honey の投稿を引用：

I know this is bad situation for Steam-ers in Turkey and Argentine

But let’s put it this way

Steam has been kind and fair for how long? More than 10 Years?

With this new policies, maybe it’s time to clear the Backlog.

About new games, maybe try it first from another source before buy.

Only buy good great games that can last years, which have high replay value.

Exactly. I'm only buying must-have games on Steam that are not on Epic Games from now on. Epic Games offer good value. I recommend everyone, whether you're based in Turkey or Argentina.

Same. Haven't bought a single game on this Autumn sale on Steam and wont be buying

[Rod]

I demand Argentina beef at cut down prices, AND in my own currency. Failure to do so will make us British very angry!

[Rich]

Rod の投稿を引用：

I demand Argentina beef at cut down prices, AND in my own currency. Failure to do so will make us British very angry!

This.

[Zaris]

2009 member here, it's over for me. There is no chance for even indie games without turkish currency. Probably steam thought we will still buy games in $ but nah, that won't be happen. Steam just throwed us away to torrent sites and other competitors like epic games. Really shame.

[discoveryofreality]

Look, my opinion on this issue is as follows. Personally, in an environment where the dollar-Turkish lira balance fluctuates so erratically and the dollar is rising, I basically do not object to setting prices in dollars and even find it reasonable. I have no objection to selling a game at whatever price it was sold at before the switch to dollars, selling it at the dollar equivalent price after the switch to dollars, and as the dollar increases, naturally the price of that product (i.e. the Turkish lira equivalent) increases. But what I object to and react to and see as unacceptable is this: It is unacceptable for a product to be sold (after the prices have switched to dollars) for 3-5-10 times the price at which it was previously sold in Turkish lira. For example, if a product was previously sold for 5 dollars in dollar equivalent, if it started to be sold for 20-25-30 dollars after the prices switched to dollars, can you tell me what kind of acceptability is this? The objections and reactions at this point are of course completely justified. Otherwise, there is nothing fundamentally unreasonable about selling games in dollars.

[Rod]

healerzaris の投稿を引用：

2009 member here, it's over for me. There is no chance for even indie games without turkish currency. Probably steam thought we will still buy games in $ but nah, that won't be happen. Steam just throwed us away to torrent sites and other competitors like epic games. Really shame.

So you admit you plan to steal the games. Instead of waiting a few years for a xmas sale. If the lira sucks so bad, Then buy God of war in christmas 2025.