BYE BYE Cheap prices @Argentina & @Turkey

[𝓢ᵒᵖʰᶤᵉ 🐈]

Pricing and Steam Wallets in Turkey & Argentina will convert to USD starting November 20th.

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The reason for this step:
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Exchange rate volatility in Argentina and Turkey in recent years has made it hard for game developers to choose appropriate prices for their games and keep them current. We have heard this loud and clear in our developer meet ups and round table chats. In addition, we have had a hard time keeping Steam payment methods up and running in these countries/territories due to the constant foreign exchange fluctuations, fees, taxes, and logistical issues. Pricing games in USD for Steam customers in Argentina and Turkey will help us provide greater stability and consistency for players and partners, while also enabling us to continue to offer a variety of payment methods to Steam users in those countries/territories.

Turkey & Argentina will be forced to the USD $ and will pay much higher prices (with new regional pricing) than ever before.

We are witnessing the end of an era for Turkish Lira and Argentine Peso.

R.I.P Turkish Lira 2014 ~ 2023
R.I.P Argentina Peso 2015 ~ 2023

Congratulations @Argentina and @Turkey !

Welcome to the Western World and to our market system you are now no longer considered a 3rd world country.

[Velo]

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Originalmente postado por Velo:

Here is some proof for you.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/972660/view/3632752322771082194?l=english
Dev actually said 85% here is the direct quote:

What I can say is that we saw a huge increase in sales in your countries last year, but no increase in the number of players. Something like 85% of sales coming "from Argentina and Turkey" seem to be coming from people playing in other countries - people who are chasing the lowest possible price on Steam. This is apparently a widespread problem on Steam, which is why Steam is recommending an especially large increase in your regional prices.

Why try to actually listen to others point of view when you can feel "superior" by "educating" us stupid Turks. Imagine trying to feel good about yourself by acting like this.

I'm sure one dev has the power to influence the entire steam. 👌

And like i said, nothing is stopping the same ppl from jumping to different region and abusing the system.

Maybe learn to accept that there're certain condition that exclusively affect turkish and argentinian players

First i was delusional, now it is just one dev.

Let's face it, you are not here to have a conversation. You are here to feel good about yourself by highjacking a thread which people are trying to share their point of view. What can i say, be proud. I am no longer willing to feed an entitled troll like you.

[Gökyüzü]

Originalmente postado por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originalmente postado por Gökyüzü:

Who cares at this point. Steam decided to willingly gift Turkey and Argentina Markets to other stores like epic games and xbox. Hell there will be alot of people turning to priacy. This is only a short term solution to stop region hoppers. But it will hurt them badly after a while. Because they will also need to reclaim the market they lost after a couple of years.

You just be your self and keep dodging the main problems while blaming the countrys idc

You're acting as if Epic or Microsoft wouldn't do the same thing. As for piracy. These are video games. You don't have a right to be able to afford them. It's a luxury. It isn't food.

Again why would they do this while they can easly increase their numbers from steam left overs. You all are missing the point after the production of the game there is little to no cost for that game anymore sure they still have to pay their emploies for the next projects but abondoning a market at some countrys because they must sell them from a cheap price will only hurt them. Because there is getting low revenue from that countrys and there is getting 0. Idk i think with your logics getting 0 is better. Surely they wouldnt lose money either way.

And they clearly said this was because region hoppers. They compleately ignore to finding a real solution and decided to abondon this markets.

"What I can say is that we saw a huge increase in sales in your countries last year, but no increase in the number of players. Something like 85% of sales coming "from Argentina and Turkey" seem to be coming from people playing in other countries - people who are chasing the lowest possible price on Steam. This is apparently a widespread problem on Steam, which is why Steam is recommending an especially large increase in your regional prices."

[Aluvard]

Well... To those, saying that other stores won't do it etc.
Ubisoft already ditched Argentine peso in favour of USD - https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/accepted-payment-methods-for-the-ubisoft-store-argentina/000102708

[Tiberius]

Originalmente postado por Velo:

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

I'm sure one dev has the power to influence the entire steam. 👌

And like i said, nothing is stopping the same ppl from jumping to different region and abusing the system.

Maybe learn to accept that there're certain condition that exclusively affect turkish and argentinian players

First i was delusional, now it is just one dev.

Let's face it, you are not here to have a conversation. You are here to feel good about yourself by highjacking a thread which people are trying to share their point of view. What can i say, be proud. I am no longer willing to feed an entitled troll like you.

Because when someone has a different opinion abt something, it always means that person is trying to highjack the thread 👌

(The inflation itself is not even an opinion)

[Chompman]

Originalmente postado por Gökyüzü:

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Pls teach every single business in your country abt this and see if they're willing to drop their price.

Who cares at this point. Steam decided to willingly gift Turkey and Argentina Markets to other stores like epic games and xbox. Hell there will be alot of people turning to priacy. This is only a short term solution to stop region hoppers. But it will hurt them badly after a while. Because they will also need to reclaim the market they lost after a couple of years.

You just be your self and keep dodging the main problems while blaming the countrys idc

Epic does not accept Argentina currency and they and other stores will more then likely follow suit as the game companies have the say in something like this or they simply won't sell their product at all in those regions.

[Gökyüzü]

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Originalmente postado por Velo:

First i was delusional, now it is just one dev.

Let's face it, you are not here to have a conversation. You are here to feel good about yourself by highjacking a thread which people are trying to share their point of view. What can i say, be proud. I am no longer willing to feed an entitled troll like you.

Because when someone has a different opinion abt something, it always means that person is trying to highjack the thread 👌

(The inflation itself is not even an opinion)

Yea clearly you are not the one living in the inflation to know what can and cant be affordable still im totaly fine with my position since i have majortiy of the aaa games. Weird thing is my gpu is more expensive then my brand new motorcycle right now.

Developers decided that old prices in our countrys for only we can afford it and add some more revenure to their pools. it turns out %85 of the steam players is abusing region change to steal from them and some of them are acualy more angry then us. Its basicly pirating from a legit way.

So as a Turkish citizens we have right to be upset at Steam. There is no excuse of our infilation and there is also no excuse that Steam decided to do this instead of finding a real solution.

[AngryChair]

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Originalmente postado por Velo:

Here is some proof for you.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/972660/view/3632752322771082194?l=english
Dev actually said 85% here is the direct quote:

What I can say is that we saw a huge increase in sales in your countries last year, but no increase in the number of players. Something like 85% of sales coming "from Argentina and Turkey" seem to be coming from people playing in other countries - people who are chasing the lowest possible price on Steam. This is apparently a widespread problem on Steam, which is why Steam is recommending an especially large increase in your regional prices.

Why try to actually listen to others point of view when you can feel "superior" by "educating" us stupid Turks. Imagine trying to feel good about yourself by acting like this.

I'm sure one dev has the power to influence the entire steam. 👌

And like i said, nothing is stopping the same ppl from jumping to different region and abusing the system.

Maybe learn to accept that there're certain condition that exclusively affect turkish and argentinian players

Jesus christ man, even if there were another region with prices cheaper than argentina's, do you believe we want to switch regions and f**k up another country's store? I enjoy having a discussion but we give you one valid point after the other and you just answer like a spoiled brat.

We tell you about devs complaining and give you proof, and your answer is that one dev doesn't represent the majority. Are you expecting us to link, to this thread, each and every dev that has complained about hoppers? What can i expect from someone who has 2900 games in their library, you obviously dont have a clue about what it feels like, having one of the few things we can use to escape the harsh reality of where we live become completely unaffordable.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originalmente postado por Gökyüzü:

Originalmente postado por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You're acting as if Epic or Microsoft wouldn't do the same thing. As for piracy. These are video games. You don't have a right to be able to afford them. It's a luxury. It isn't food.

Again why would they do this while they can easly increase their numbers from steam left overs. You all are missing the point after the production of the game there is little to no cost for that game anymore sure they still have to pay their emploies for the next projects but abondoning a market at some countrys because they must sell them from a cheap price will only hurt them. Because there is getting low revenue from that countrys and there is getting 0. Idk i think with your logics getting 0 is better. Surely they wouldnt lose money either way.

And they clearly said this was because region hoppers. They compleately ignore to finding a real solution and decided to abondon this markets.

"What I can say is that we saw a huge increase in sales in your countries last year, but no increase in the number of players. Something like 85% of sales coming "from Argentina and Turkey" seem to be coming from people playing in other countries - people who are chasing the lowest possible price on Steam. This is apparently a widespread problem on Steam, which is why Steam is recommending an especially large increase in your regional prices."

Valve has not abandoned any markets. You're reading something into the announcement that was never said.

Point out where they say that Steam is no longer available in either Turkey or Argentina.

I will say that at least these threads are refreshing as they are no longer all about Windows 7. However the premise is the same, people blaming Valve for something that they did not cause.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originalmente postado por Sophie:

This topic deserves awards... :butterfly:

Is that why you made it?

[Tiberius]

Originalmente postado por AngryChair:

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

I'm sure one dev has the power to influence the entire steam. 👌

And like i said, nothing is stopping the same ppl from jumping to different region and abusing the system.

Maybe learn to accept that there're certain condition that exclusively affect turkish and argentinian players

Jesus christ man, even if there were another region with prices cheaper than argentina's, do you believe we want to switch regions and f**k up another country's store? I enjoy having a discussion but we give you one valid point after the other and you just answer like a spoiled brat.

We tell you about devs complaining and give you proof, and your answer is that one dev doesn't represent the majority. Are you expecting us to link, to this thread, each and every dev that has complained about hoppers? What can i expect from someone who has 2900 games in their library, you obviously dont have a clue about what it feels like, having one of the few things we can use to escape the harsh reality of where we live become completely unaffordable.

Theres no point in this discussion anymore, cos we're goin on circles here (its really funny how you think i'm accusing you of region hopping).

The biggest irony here is you actually are still getting regional pricing, but you're lumped up with LATAM (for ARG) and MENA (for Turkey)

[Nïċḵ]

Originalmente postado por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originalmente postado por Nïċḵǿ:

The fact that people like you can only repeat this "logic" like broken records suggest the matter is beyond your grasp.

It's not their job to solve a poor country's economical situation... But it is their job look into a country's economical situation and see what's to best course of action, to produce the most profitable outcome possible.

It's common sense. The implication here is that, a hypothetical application of the standard price can cause a current number of potential customers in those regions to greatly reduce, because games would inevitably become unaffordable, pushing these people away from gaming(read this as, don't buy new games at full price anymore, use third party sites, wait for deep sales or just stick to games they already own, or worse, turn to piracy). And that whatever number is left, won't produce as much a profit than if a regional pricing system was applied and kept prices that were still relatively accessible to the vast majority of customers in these regions.

But even regional pricing itself is questionable, at least until some sort of region locking system is put at work to prevent people from hopping stores. Because while some of you act high and mighty with your "I pay 60, 70, 80 bucks for the same product so everyone else should"(ignoring that you make 20 times more for the same job, so we're never really paying what everyone else has to pay... but that's another subject and I know you guys cannot keep up with it), and you're complaining about how unfair the regional pricing system is, people from your own regions are still abusing said system to buy games from these poor regions, to get away with paying less...

("You agree that you will not use IP proxying or other methods to disguise the place of your residence, whether to circumvent geographical restrictions on game content, to purchase at pricing not applicable to your geography, or for any other purpose. If you do this, Valve may terminate your access to your Account.")

But you, the righteous, the ones who talk about what's fair and pretend to be victims because you're not the one being benefitted for ONCE, the ones who pretend to be on the company's side and abid by the rules, who call people from these poor countries "cheap rats", who are happy that "you finally catching up to first world, now you pay what you should always have", turn a blind eye to something that is literally stated to be against the rules by Steam/Valve itself.

Companies such as Sony literally took actions based on the use and abuse of regional pricing through VPN, but you're more worried about feeling righteous by stating obvious facts like "It's not Valve's fault your country's economy sucks" that add nothing of substance ot the discussion and answer even less.

So, you want companies to adjust their process for failing economies?

Would you think so if you were one of those companies? I doubt it. It's not their job to cater. If they do and they go out of business then what. Companies cannot continually sell their products for less than it cost for them to produce it and expect to stay afloat. Look at Epic, continually paying developers to put their games on their platform for free. That resulted in them having to lay off 16% of their workforce. Now, that might not have been the only reason that that layoff happened, but it certainly didn't help.

"So, you want companies to adjust their process for failing economies?"

Regional pricing has existed for a long time. It's not a concept I just made up, or that customers are demanding to be a thing, it's something the very companies came up with and has been applied for years in those regions. And it already is part of most gaming companies process. I mean, Valve themselves have their system to determine the suggested prices, based on a country's economical situation, and companies can use it(or not, it's literally their call) to determine what's the most profitable pricing for them, according to what they see is their potential number of customers in such regions.

"Companies cannot continually sell their products for less than it cost for them to produce"

We're talking about digital products here, and this is the key component of the equation to understand why regional pricing works in gaming industry:

There's no costs involved with mastering, manufacture, transport or storage. There's no limited supply of physical copies, so your game can sell indefinitely with no need to invest in reprints. Steam has very small incremental costs per copy since they are distributing digitally. Essentially once they have set up the game for sales (non-recurring cost), they are only paying bandwidth costs to distribute additional copies.

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If selling a 60 dollars for less than that in specific countries at launch, could imply selling at loss, and to a point they could go bankrupt, then why do games go on sale only after a few months all around the globe? Why do companies sell their + few years old games at deep discounts(talking 5-15 bucks at best in the most expensive regions), if it meant they are selling it for less than it'd cost them to maintain the product in the market?

Are companies selling their(virtually infinite amount of DIGITAL) PRODUCTS at loss each time a Steam user buys their games at any % discount? (And counting the % Steam takes with each sale).

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"Would you think so if you were one of those companies?"

My point is that, if the numbers add up, selling more for less can be more profitable than selling less for more. That's it. It's just about what's more profitable.

What number is higher: 200 x 60 or 1000 x 30?

And hell, even then they can still choose not to, stick to standard price and deal with whatever consecuences that creates. I just said it a million times, it's their call, not mine(nor yours... for the record). And all I'm doing here really is just talk a topic of discussion that interests and involves some people more than it does others. Was I not allowed to do that neither?

[AngryChair]

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Originalmente postado por AngryChair:

Jesus christ man, even if there were another region with prices cheaper than argentina's, do you believe we want to switch regions and f**k up another country's store? I enjoy having a discussion but we give you one valid point after the other and you just answer like a spoiled brat.

We tell you about devs complaining and give you proof, and your answer is that one dev doesn't represent the majority. Are you expecting us to link, to this thread, each and every dev that has complained about hoppers? What can i expect from someone who has 2900 games in their library, you obviously dont have a clue about what it feels like, having one of the few things we can use to escape the harsh reality of where we live become completely unaffordable.

Theres no point in this discussion anymore, cos we're goin on circles here (its really funny how you think i'm accusing you of region hopping).

The biggest irony here is you actually are still getting regional pricing, but you're lumped up with LATAM (for ARG) and MENA (for Turkey)

Yep, you are right, there's no point at all. We aren't getting regional pricing, like i've said countless times by now, steam will make a price suggestion based on the region and you can bet your ass most devs won't take them into account, even now, a lot of games are already more expensive here than in your store

[Tiberius]

RIP steam. Now let me see what games are on sale this halloween

[CormanoSnake]

Tired of this thread. Cool data, f**k my government but let's keep going. Valve is innocent, (we) 3rd worlderls innocents, devs innoncents. Corrupted countries(politicians) GUILTY. Bye.

[Yujah]

Originalmente postado por CormanoSnake:

Tired of this thread. Cool data, f**k my government but let's keep going. Valve is innocent, (we) 3rd worlderls innocents, devs innoncents. Corrupted countries(politicians) GUILTY. Bye.

Quite. OP should pick this as the answer.