Turkey and Argentina are doomed

[RANGER]

Pricing and Steam Wallets in Turkey & Argentina will convert to USD starting November 20th.

Why Now?

Exchange rate volatility in Argentina and Turkey in recent years has made it hard for game developers to choose appropriate prices for their games and keep them current. We have heard this loud and clear in our developer meet ups and round table chats. In addition, we have had a hard time keeping Steam payment methods up and running in these countries/territories due to the constant foreign exchange fluctuations, fees, taxes, and logistical issues. Pricing games in USD for Steam customers in Argentina and Turkey will help us provide greater stability and consistency for players and partners, while also enabling us to continue to offer a variety of payment methods to Steam users in those countries/territories.

TLDR; Turkey & Argentina will be forced to USD and will pay much higher (with new regional pricing) than ever before.

We are witnessing the end of an era for the Turkish Lira and the Argentine Peso.

R.I.P Turkish Lira 2014 ~ 2023
R.I.P Argentina Peso 2015 ~ 2023

[Hobbit XIII]

Автор сообщения: Ares

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

I fail to see the issue, I buy budget / games on sale from years ago and they entertain me just fine.

Sure not everybody gets the new shiny thing on the planet I still want a Bugatti Veyron even though I don't know how to spell it.
Does that entitle me to say get stuffed to all the people who put work into it and just steal one?

Pirating a game is not stealing, don't get it twisted
Pirating a game when I can't afford it won't hurt the studio, if a huge number of people have the same issue then the studio might consider their pricing strategy not effective

If I buy a game cheaper, I'm still supporting the people who made it, If I was forced to pirate the game, the studio won't even receive that little support I can provide

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

[Ares]

Автор сообщения: AmsterdamHeavy

Автор сообщения: Ares

I can get behind this but still even 5$ is a huge number in some countries, I get that people who make this games mostly live in first world countries so 5$ wouldn't even cover 1 coffee for them, but they have to realise the harsh situation of third world countries

Why do they need to do that, exactly?

Leave out BS emotions and moral arguments. Give me the business case as to the "why" here.

For more people to buy their game and not pirate it?

[PMR]

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

Автор сообщения: Ares

Pirating a game is not stealing, don't get it twisted
Pirating a game when I can't afford it won't hurt the studio, if a huge number of people have the same issue then the studio might consider their pricing strategy not effective

If I buy a game cheaper, I'm still supporting the people who made it, If I was forced to pirate the game, the studio won't even receive that little support I can provide

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

Depends on if they get it from someone else who paid, would you be upset at someone giving their copy of a game to someone else to play?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

Автор сообщения: Ares

Pirating a game is not stealing, don't get it twisted
Pirating a game when I can't afford it won't hurt the studio, if a huge number of people have the same issue then the studio might consider their pricing strategy not effective

If I buy a game cheaper, I'm still supporting the people who made it, If I was forced to pirate the game, the studio won't even receive that little support I can provide

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

Yes. Piracy = Stealing

Some people try to justify it by any means necessary to ease other people's conscience.

[RANGER]

Автор сообщения: Ares

Автор сообщения: PMR

To be fair, if you do pirate a game at least donate to that team if you end up enjoying it.

I can get behind this but still even 5$ is a huge number in some countries, I get that people who make this games mostly live in first world countries so 5$ wouldn't even cover 1 coffee for them, but they have to realise the harsh situation of third world countries

5$ is a square meal in Turkey :D
Most expensive coffee in Starbucks is 4$ with an average of 2.5$

Fresh Filter Coffee
Tall: 54 TL / 1.92$
Grande: 61 TL / 2.17$
Venti: 67 TL / 2.38$

Iced White Chocolate Mocha
Tall: 86 TL / 3.06$
Grande: 100 TL / 3.56$
Venti: 110 TL / 3.91$

Caffe Americano
Tall: 58 TL / 2.06$
Grande: 65 TL / 2.31$
Venti: 73 TL / 2.6$

White Chocolate Cream Frappuccino
Tall: 90 TL / 3.2$
Grande: 102 TL / 3.63$
Venti: 113 TL / 4.02$

So yeah they would never donate 5$ :D

[Scy]

They've lost two countries worth of players to Epic and piracy but I doubt Gaben gives a ♥♥♥♥ as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line.

11 years ... it's been a good ride I guess.

[RANGER]

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

Автор сообщения: Ares

Pirating a game is not stealing, don't get it twisted
Pirating a game when I can't afford it won't hurt the studio, if a huge number of people have the same issue then the studio might consider their pricing strategy not effective

If I buy a game cheaper, I'm still supporting the people who made it, If I was forced to pirate the game, the studio won't even receive that little support I can provide

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

Listening to music for free on youtube is stealing too, do you go and donate to the artist?

[Hobbit XIII]

Автор сообщения: PMR

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

Depends on if they get it from someone else who paid, would you be upset at someone giving their copy of a game to someone else to play?

No because I would live Hideo Kojimas dream and have the game hard wired to their console / pc and anybody else tried to put that game on something else it would fry their electrics not just from the console and pc but their entire residence. And there cats would get fleas.

Sharing a game is different because its one unit that unit is not copied and its just passing it on ie the second hand market flourishes too if they choose to sell it.

[Ares]

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

Автор сообщения: Ares

Pirating a game is not stealing, don't get it twisted
Pirating a game when I can't afford it won't hurt the studio, if a huge number of people have the same issue then the studio might consider their pricing strategy not effective

If I buy a game cheaper, I'm still supporting the people who made it, If I was forced to pirate the game, the studio won't even receive that little support I can provide

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

sadly that is not how stealing works
Imagine you have 10 potatoes, somebody comes and picks 1 and doesn't pay you
then you can only sell 9 potatoes and lost 1 potato, that 1 potato was stolen from you and is a loss

if somebody pirate the game it won't decrease the number of copies they can sell!
that is was it's called piracy and not stealing

[Ares]

Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

Yes. Piracy = Stealing

Some people try to justify it by any means necessary to ease other people's conscience.

:summercat2023:

and some people can't even comprehand what it's like to live a in third world country

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Автор сообщения: Ares

Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Yes. Piracy = Stealing

Some people try to justify it by any means necessary to ease other people's conscience.

and some people can't even comprehand what it's like to live a in third world country

Who says I haven't?

Stealing is stealing in every country.

[Hobbit XIII]

Автор сообщения: Ares

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

If I put 500 hours into a game and set a price for people to enjoy my work then somebody comes along and says hmph i want your work for free so tough its not stealing...

sadly that is not how stealing works
Imagine you have 10 potatoes, somebody comes and picks 1 and doesn't pay you
then you can only sell 9 potatoes and lost 1 potato, that 1 potato was stolen from you and is a loss

if somebody pirate the game it won't decrease the number of copies they can sell!
that is was it's called piracy and not stealing

That is known as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Even our ancestors of 2000 years ago could smell that kind of bull.
Who taught you anything, a pirate?

[PMR]

Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII

Автор сообщения: PMR

Depends on if they get it from someone else who paid, would you be upset at someone giving their copy of a game to someone else to play?

No because I would live Hideo Kojimas dream and have the game hard wired to their console / pc and anybody else tried to put that game on something else it would fry their electrics not just from the console and pc but their entire residence. And there cats would get fleas.

Sharing a game is different because its one unit that unit is not copied and its just passing it on ie the second hand market flourishes too if they choose to sell it.

It is copied though, it's the same game files just sent to someone else.
Stealing implies the original has been taken away, it's still there.
If someone copies something a hundred times it's still not stealing.
What you should be saying is that it's unethical, because it is technically not stealing.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Автор сообщения: PMR

It is copied though, it's the same game files just sent to someone else.
Stealing implies the original has been taken away, it's still there.
If someone copies something a hundred times it's still not stealing.
What you should be saying is that it's unethical, because it is technically not stealing.

That is called copyright infringement.

[Satoru]

its pretty obvious everyone here is not actually from these countries and is somehow thinking that steam is responsible for them both trying to basically speed run "economic ruin" of their own economies, as if games are most important thing in the world as opposed to "utter runaway inflation'