Hobbit XIII Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:12am
Has any individual actually sued Steam / Valve?
In my brief time here I've seen people going on about suing and threatening to sue for whatever reasons.

Has anybody been successful in it?
Don't get me wrong I like Steam and I am not organizing some protest movement it's just one of those curious things I am curious about.

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Thermal Lance Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:15am 
I mean, probably? I'd find it surprising that nobody managed to go through it given how long Steam has been a thing.
✨Saint✨ Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:18am 
Yeah, Blizzard tried, certain video game companies tried, things are usually settled outside the public eye. Or made public at a certain point.

:saint:
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Komarimaru Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:25am 
There's been thousands of suits, very few have got anything.

I believe the only successful ones were from government bodies.

There's an ambulance chaser suit out now trying to collect arbitration against Steam, hinging on the success of an old case that's lost every time, miserably. Their last ditch attempt trying to prove Steam controls all PC game pricing across other stores, some time in 2024.
Crazy Tiger Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:30am 
There's probably plenty of cases we just don't know about. Though if there were big victories we'd probably have heard of them.

Some government or consumer agency organised suits have been there. Most not actually lost by Valve, but they did lose cases or part of them.

The threats you see on the forums, though, are usually just empty threats. It's a schtick people throw around, some people seem to actually think that saying "I will sue" will change anything as if they're that important people. Most people I've seen making that empty thread can hardly be called a customer, though.

That said, I would love it if people actually did go the consumer agency/lawyer route. If Valve loses, then things might change for us. If Valve wins, it makes clear how things truly stand. Either way, quoting laws and making threats on forums won't actually do anything and are basically just moot. Actions count, not words on a forum.
BJWyler Oct 9, 2023 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
That said, I would love it if people actually did go the consumer agency/lawyer route. If Valve loses, then things might change for us. If Valve wins, it makes clear how things truly stand. Either way, quoting laws and making threats on forums won't actually do anything and are basically just moot. Actions count, not words on a forum.
Precisely.

To the OP, corporations like Valve get sued all the time. It's part of doing business as a megacorp. The closest I think that we can come to with a basic Steam user/consumer suing Valve is the Australian case in regards to refunds. There, Valve was sued over denying some Aussies refunds. Valve lost part of the case and was required to make their refund policy more transparent and consistent. However, the court sided with Valve in every instance for the actual refunds that were demanded by users. The court found Valve did not have to offer those people refunds, so in the end it was pretty much a victory for Valve who essentially just got a slap on the wrist.
AustrAlien2010 Oct 9, 2023 @ 12:41pm 
Nobody can sue anyone, its against the agreement.

"YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND VALVE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND TO HAVE A TRIAL BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY."
It says so right there in the agreement.
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Wolfpig Oct 9, 2023 @ 12:57pm 
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Nobody can sue anyone, its against the agreement.

"YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND VALVE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND TO HAVE A TRIAL BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY."
It says so right there in the agreement.


If it would say the User is not allowed to breath anymore, would you follow that agreement and think that it would be a legal clause?
AustrAlien2010 Oct 9, 2023 @ 12:59pm 
Users will agree to anything. They just click okay and don't even read what they agree to.
I've seen agreements making the user agree to giving them their soul and first born child.
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KalGimpa Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:01pm 
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Nobody can sue anyone, its against the agreement.

"YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND VALVE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND TO HAVE A TRIAL BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY."
It says so right there in the agreement.


this is one of the parts of eula's that have not held up in court

a lady sued microsoft in small claims for destroying her files

they have a eula with a clause like that as well and still lost
Anxiety Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:05pm 
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Users will agree to anything. They just click okay and don't even read what they agree to.
I've seen agreements making the user agree to giving them their soul and first born child.

South Park's HUMANCENTiPAD commented on something like that.
Last edited by Anxiety; Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:06pm
Over an OS being dropped? I doubt it. There's also a distinct difference between suing and winning. You can sue anyone, winning that lawsuit is another thing entirely.
KalGimpa Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Over an OS being dropped? I doubt it. There's also a distinct difference between suing and winning. You can sue anyone, winning that lawsuit is another thing entirely.


this is why i recommend small claims to the people that say they are going to get a lawyer

no lawyers so they will not have to pay as much when they lose

with the very small chance they get a tech hating judge willing to give them some sympathy
Brian9824 Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:22pm 
Originally posted by KalCuey:
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Nobody can sue anyone, its against the agreement.

"YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND VALVE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND TO HAVE A TRIAL BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY."
It says so right there in the agreement.


this is one of the parts of eula's that have not held up in court

a lady sued microsoft in small claims for destroying her files

they have a eula with a clause like that as well and still lost

That part of the EULA actually does hold up well. If you notice the scam lawyers are not filing suit in their grievance, they are also going thru arbitration. I BELIEVE but i might be wrong there are a few specific instances in which a lawsuit will trump the EULA in stuff like Gross negligence resulting in bodily harm and/or death but those cases are not relevant to steam.

Arbitration is close enough to a lawsuit and is actually more favorable to both parties in many cases being far more cost efficient for someone to pursue.

Originally posted by KalCuey:
this is why i recommend small claims to the people that say they are going to get a lawyer

no lawyers so they will not have to pay as much when they lose

with the very small chance they get a tech hating judge willing to give them some sympathy

Yeah i've had to take a business to small claims court for shoddy work they did. We got 80% of what we asked for back, it's a bit of a learning curve to file everything, and i'm sure it varies from state to state but wasn't that bad.
Last edited by Brian9824; Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:24pm
Crazy Tiger Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:29pm 
Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
Users will agree to anything. They just click okay and don't even read what they agree to.
I've seen agreements making the user agree to giving them their soul and first born child.
And that still does not mean the agreement is legal. Your example is one that is unreasonable, so it won't be held up in court.
J4MESOX4D Oct 9, 2023 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by Hobbit XIII:
In my brief time here I've seen people going on about suing and threatening to sue for whatever reasons.
Anybody can sue any entity or person contrary to any terms and conditions embedded in the service or company in question.

Litigation however can be very expensive and there wont be many lawyers or firms willing to undertake a case whereby a) the plaintiff doesn't have a case b) the plaintiff doesn't have sufficient capital to have the case benched and then ran to a judgement.

99.99% of users who play the lawsuit card are in the wrong, don't know what they are talking about or just venting. To date, their hasn't been on individual in over 100m users spanning 20 years who has filed a claim against valve.

Valve have had a fair few very credible commercial and regional suits in which they have lost or reached settlements but no gamers have seen through any of their threats.
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