how do people feel about valve now a days

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

i just feel sad since l4d2 and p2 were just so fun to play. like it really makes no sense they don't release passion projects at least. they have a complete monopoly of income and can just make games with no budgets that will still make them profit anyways. they can make new ips and if they bomb it it won't matter since they lose nothing.


they can just throw games out from left and right field and no one would care if a few failed since we would just wait for the next ip.



idk, its just weird for a company to not be pumping out games like crazy since again they don't have a time limit or a budget i assume. or they are making games and have a massive catalog and will release the "valve game bundle" where its just a bunch of random games made from many devs over the years.



sigh sadness, i just want to have more good games to play now a days with new ips, i only see 2's and more but not many new styles and genres.

[Qbert ⭐]

Valve shift away from making games a long time ago.

[ReBoot]

The problem with companies pumping out games like crazy is the lack of any meaningful progress. Take EA sports games, take Assassin's Creed. The same game every other year, albeit with a different coat of paint.

That's not what Valve have been doing since they started. Pro tip: base your expectations on observed past behavior, not what you would do in such a position.

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

The problem with companies pumping out games like crazy is the lack of any meaningful progress. Take EA sports games, take Assassin's Creed. The same game every other year, albeit with a different coat of paint.

That's not what Valve have been doing since they started. Pro tip: base your expectations on observed past behavior, not what you would do in such a position.

ubisoft and ea need money to pay back investers. those companys don't have power in gaming at all sadly. they have legit no leg room to make new ips or anything else than what they are doing. they are forced to operate the way they do.

[BJWyler]

Tell me you know nothing about game development nor business without telling me you know nothing about game development nor business.

Just pumping out game after game with no plan or budget is the fast track to lousy games and bankruptcy, bud. It doesn't matter how much money you have. That's just stupid business.

[ReBoot]

Messaggio originale di REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

The problem with companies pumping out games like crazy is the lack of any meaningful progress. Take EA sports games, take Assassin's Creed. The same game every other year, albeit with a different coat of paint.

That's not what Valve have been doing since they started. Pro tip: base your expectations on observed past behavior, not what you would do in such a position.

ubisoft and ea need money to pay back investers. those companys don't have power in gaming at all sadly. they have legit no leg room to make new ips or anything else than what they are doing. they are forced to operate the way they do.

Then why should Valve operate the same way, that's is pumping games out like crazy?

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Messaggio originale di BJWyler:

Tell me you know nothing about game development nor business without telling me you know nothing about game development nor business.

Just pumping out game after game with no plan or budget is the fast track to lousy games and bankruptcy, bud. It doesn't matter how much money you have. That's just stupid business.

you don't understand what i meant at all, most devs can't make games cause of a time limit or budget. valve can legit pump put good games cause they don't have to stress on budget or time. aka like they have a game that should be made in a year or 2. if they need more money to improve the game engine or something they have it or if they need more time to fix bugs they got it. the point is they have more freedom to make the games and if they need more devs or whatever they need they can afford it and they have the income to take as much time as they want.

[BJWyler]

Messaggio originale di REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

Messaggio originale di BJWyler:

Tell me you know nothing about game development nor business without telling me you know nothing about game development nor business.

Just pumping out game after game with no plan or budget is the fast track to lousy games and bankruptcy, bud. It doesn't matter how much money you have. That's just stupid business.

you don't understand what i meant at all, most devs can't make games cause of a time limit or budget. valve can legit pump put good games cause they don't have to stress on budget or time. aka like they have a game that should be made in a year or 2. if they need more money to improve the game engine or something they have it or if they need more time to fix bugs they got it. the point is they have more freedom to make the games and if they need more devs or whatever they need they can afford it and they have the income to take as much time as they want.

And like I said, doing things without worrying about a budget is the fast track to bankruptcy and just stupid business.

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

Messaggio originale di REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

ubisoft and ea need money to pay back investers. those companys don't have power in gaming at all sadly. they have legit no leg room to make new ips or anything else than what they are doing. they are forced to operate the way they do.

Then why should Valve operate the same way, that's is pumping games out like crazy?

they have the income to hire as many people as they want and don't need time limits for making games. they technically can have like 20 teams making good games and they release every other year in a way. or whatever. they really have something cool that i just don't see them doing.

[Haruspex]

Valve does invest in passion projects. It's just that they've lost a lot of interest in just making more sequels.

They've put a lot of R&D into hardware these days. They've been a major contributor in the field of VR and AR. The Steam Deck was a successful gamble. Rumor is they're working on a "spatial computing platform".

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Messaggio originale di BJWyler:

Messaggio originale di REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

you don't understand what i meant at all, most devs can't make games cause of a time limit or budget. valve can legit pump put good games cause they don't have to stress on budget or time. aka like they have a game that should be made in a year or 2. if they need more money to improve the game engine or something they have it or if they need more time to fix bugs they got it. the point is they have more freedom to make the games and if they need more devs or whatever they need they can afford it and they have the income to take as much time as they want.

And like I said, doing things without worrying about a budget is the fast track to bankruptcy and just stupid business.

wrong, it can make you more money in the long run by making a 100% perfect product that 10x what you spent on it. most games fail cause of over budget and lose profits by a unfinished game. a bigger budget or endless even lets you finish every game and polish it to the max which gives you more income in the long run

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Messaggio originale di Haruspex:

Valve does invest in passion projects. It's just that they've lost a lot of interest in just making more sequels.

They've put a lot of R&D into hardware these days. They've been a major contributor in the field of VR and AR. The Steam Deck was a successful gamble. Rumor is they're working on a "spatial computing platform".

i don't get why they won't make new genres?

[BJWyler]

Messaggio originale di REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

Messaggio originale di BJWyler:

And like I said, doing things without worrying about a budget is the fast track to bankruptcy and just stupid business.

wrong, it can make you more money in the long run by making a 100% perfect product that 10x what you spent on it. most games fail cause of over budget and lose profits by a unfinished game. a bigger budget or endless even lets you finish every game and polish it to the max which gives you more income in the long run

Yeah, a completely incorrect take which confirms without any doubt that you have zero clue on how game development and business in general actually works in the real world.

[lsdninja]

Valve are definitely in a position to be able to take some risk, they just won't because GabeN has realised he likes money too much to put it in to the hands of people who actually work for a living.

[Haruspex]

Messaggio originale di lsdninja:

Valve are definitely in a position to be able to take some risk, they just won't because GabeN has realised he likes money too much to put it in to the hands of people who actually work for a living.

Read about Valve's flat heirarchy. Gabe has very little control over which way Valve goes, no more than any other Valve employee. (At Valve, nobody is your boss, but Gabe is even more not your boss.) It's only when enough of the company gets excited about something and bands together enough that something new gets built, and it just so happens that making more games isn't often something that gets Valve excited about these days.