To be honest we aren't grateful enaught for how neutral of a platform steam is

[Desperadoscres]

Like it's not perfect but they dont activly shove political stance down your throat
They dont ban people for opinion or hate speach
To get banned you activly need to go out of your way to do something particulary bad

[T9]

You were just lucky lol

[miakisfan]

Origineel geplaatst door Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Origineel geplaatst door 76561198083042378:

All speech should be unrestricted, anybody who says otherwise is an authoritarian.

That's fine and dandy up until it's speech that directly impacts you, for example if I were to Dox you or something.

There's ALWAYS a limit to speech, even speech allowable by LAW in many countries.

"Free Speech" advocates don't actually see the double sided edge of what they actually want, sadly enough.

It's called common sense ... that's the true limit of free speech. The boundary line that you should be smart enough not to cross.

Let's not forget as well that everyone has their own definition of free speech and common sense ... usually when it benefits them the most. Ah, never doubt human nature.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Origineel geplaatst door 76561198083042378:

All speech should be unrestricted, anybody who says otherwise is an authoritarian. Don't really care if your feelings get hurt. Steem fails that test hard. If a competitor showed up today and openly refused to ban/censor I'd be there in a flat second.

I got Edgar Friendly vibes from you. That's a much sought feeling. Take good care of yourself, there is not much people left like you in Steam:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3g1JeyS-hJE

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Origineel geplaatst door miakisfan:

Origineel geplaatst door Leonardo Da Pinchi:

That's fine and dandy up until it's speech that directly impacts you, for example if I were to Dox you or something.

There's ALWAYS a limit to speech, even speech allowable by LAW in many countries.

"Free Speech" advocates don't actually see the double sided edge of what they actually want, sadly enough.

It's called common sense ... that's the true limit of free speech. The boundary line that you should be smart enough not to cross.

Let's not forget as well that everyone has their own definition of free speech and common sense ... usually when it benefits them the most. Ah, never doubt human nature.

Problem is, true free speech is speech without consequence. Which is what these "free speech" individuals want, speech with zero consequence.

Or at least, speech they want to be able to say, without consequence.

But then when you go to ask them, if then, people would be free to dox them, threaten them, or leak their bank details, with zero consequence. Then suddenly it's "no, that's illegal!"

[Desperadoscres]

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Origineel geplaatst door ReBoot:

Since when is not banning for hate speech a good thing?

Depends who you ask. Because freedom of expression apparently encompasses all kinds of hate speech according to some.

Like...

Origineel geplaatst door 76561198083042378:

All speech should be unrestricted

All SPEECH?
So you say hate speech should be unrestricted? Racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobic, Eugenics, Threats of violence, rape advocacy?

Either you don't know what you're asking for, or you actually do. And neither of those options paint a good picture.

How do you even define hate speach? Is it hate speach to quote leviticus 13:20? is it misogigny to say you want your wife to be stay at home? Is it transphobic to disagree with the gender theory?

[Intelligent Jew Businessman]

Origineel geplaatst door ReBoot:

Since when is not banning for hate speech a good thing?

Define "hate speech".

[Scott, President of Dominos]

Origineel geplaatst door Desperadoscres:

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Depends who you ask. Because freedom of expression apparently encompasses all kinds of hate speech according to some.

Like...

All SPEECH?
So you say hate speech should be unrestricted? Racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobic, Eugenics, Threats of violence, rape advocacy?

Either you don't know what you're asking for, or you actually do. And neither of those options paint a good picture.

How do you even define hate speach? Is it hate speach to quote leviticus 13:20? is it misogigny to say you want your wife to be stay at home? Is it transphobic to disagree with the gender theory?

Yes, yes, and yes. People should be imprisoned for that in a sane and humane society.

[miakisfan]

Origineel geplaatst door Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Origineel geplaatst door miakisfan:

It's called common sense ... that's the true limit of free speech. The boundary line that you should be smart enough not to cross.

Let's not forget as well that everyone has their own definition of free speech and common sense ... usually when it benefits them the most. Ah, never doubt human nature.

Problem is, true free speech is speech without consequence. Which is what these "free speech" individuals want, speech with zero consequence.

Or at least, speech they want to be able to say, without consequence.

But then when you go to ask them, if then, people would be free to dox them, threaten them, or leak their bank details, with zero consequence. Then suddenly it's "no, that's illegal!"

There's a difference between free speech and true free speech but again I say at this point in time it is how each person decides to define it except for those of us who understand its actual definition.

There is no problem for those of us who understand the difference.

[Desperadoscres]

Origineel geplaatst door Makise Kurisu:

Origineel geplaatst door Desperadoscres:

How do you even define hate speach? Is it hate speach to quote leviticus 13:20? is it misogigny to say you want your wife to be stay at home? Is it transphobic to disagree with the gender theory?

Yes, yes, and yes. People should be imprisoned for that in a sane and humane society.

So you want to get people rid of their right of religion?
You want to force women to be working even if they want to be good parent?
So you want people to be forced to beleive in a lie?

So basicly you want right for everyone, exept people that dosent WANT your way of living, pure evil

[__++__==]

Origineel geplaatst door Desperadoscres:

Like it's not perfect but they dont activly shove political stance down your throat
They dont ban people for opinion or hate speach
To get banned you activly need to go out of your way to do something particulary bad

Developers can moderate their own forum with no oversight from steam. WTF you talking about neutral?

[mwesthoff]

Origineel geplaatst door __++__==:

Origineel geplaatst door Desperadoscres:

Like it's not perfect but they dont activly shove political stance down your throat
They dont ban people for opinion or hate speach
To get banned you activly need to go out of your way to do something particulary bad

Developers can moderate their own forum with no oversight from steam. WTF you talking about neutral?

Ironically the user was banned for more than likely spouting off non-liberal view points.

[mwesthoff]

Origineel geplaatst door Makise Kurisu:

Origineel geplaatst door mwesthoff:

Ironically the user was banned for more than likely spouting off non-liberal view points.

More like angry bigots can’t be decent people for very long.

Right, I guess it's okay to slander someone's character as long as you are calling them a bigot or a racist or something virtuous like that. The go to card for liberals that can't make a valid point.

[mwesthoff]

Origineel geplaatst door PCRoco45:

Hate Speech is any abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against people based on their immutable characteristics.

It's really not that hard to actually try to learn something instead of just having a wank with a buddy over misinformation.

Religion is not an immutable characteristic. Check the dictionary before misinforming.

[[PC]Roco45]

Origineel geplaatst door mwesthoff:

Origineel geplaatst door PCRoco45:

Hate Speech is any abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against people based on their immutable characteristics.

It's really not that hard to actually try to learn something instead of just having a wank with a buddy over misinformation.

Religion is not an immutable characteristic. Check the dictionary before misinforming.

It's not, but everything else on that list is. You'd also have to be ignorant to not understand why, considering adolescents are always the Religion their parents are which leads to adults predominately practicing whatever Religion their parent's were; also setting aside that Religion often coincides with Ethnicity.

But the more you know, right? Well, I guess not in your case lmao

[Zero]

Origineel geplaatst door Desperadoscres:

To get banned you activly need to go out of your way to do something particulary bad

And OP is banned. Hmm.