Embedded COMPATIBILITY MODE for Steam client

[☎need4naiim☎]

I write below solution to end constant frustrations in both end (Valve and old-time loyal customers who gave the company their trust and millions of dollars over those decades) which repeat over and over when an external company (like Google) want to get rid of old Windows versions but Valve doesn't necessarily wants to make its loyal customers frustrated. I am personally using Windows 10 since September 2015, by the way.

So that Valve can dodge accusations and make everyone happy (themselves and customers included) in the process:

Make an Updated Steam Client (for PC) that have a COMPATIBILITY MODE embedded in. Like Windows versions have for individual apps. But what i mean here is different from what Microsoft has been doing:

The Compatibility Mode will be available in the "Settings" of Steam client and it will have various of them as selectable OSes, like Win11, Win10, Win8.1, Win7, WinXp, Win2000... etc. And when you select one of them, depending on the capability of that unsupported earlier version of Windows, one or multiple functions of Steam client will not work. For example, when you select WinXp compatibility mode, Steam Store page will be unavailable (i wrote this just as an example). Or when you select Windows 98, you will lose Steam Market too. Or When you select Win7, whole Steam will function as normal but you will not be able to buy new games (you will still use and see those games in Store though)... And whatever COMPATIBILITY MODE you select from the settings found in Steam Client, all of your earlier purchased games, the games and softwares existing in your Steam Library will be available for you to download or update them or repair the files already downloaded as you can do right now.

EVERYONE will be happy with this new trick. No need to screw up customers nor Steam over external company directives (such as Google).

Write this solution to Steam Support and they will see that this is the only way to get rid of constant OS-related mayhems and leaving loyal customers frustrated who want to use older OSes.

This is the most legit way to end past and future squabbles in this topic.

Regards.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

You haven't offered a solution.

You've just said "Do this because you should.". That isn't a solution, that's a demand based on nothing but grandstanding.

I have offered my solution path for something tend to reoccur constantly. It is up to Valve to embed it, or make it wait and refurbish it to collaborate it with Chromium Embedded Framework for a future version of Steam Client.

It is up to Valve to decide, neither up to you nor your friend here.

Thanks for your contributions though.

They decided.

On January 1st. 2024, the Steam client will no longer function on Windows 7.

Just like they did for 98/2000 and Windows XP.

[Chika Ogiue]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hobbit XIII:

The only reason I came to steam was for older games like the original Shogun Total War.

That's nice. But it doesn't change anything. You have the option of upgrading to a supported system be it Windows or something else, or you accept your games will no longer be accessible. Valve don't care about that 1% of their user base that only plays old games and have no intention of buying newer games in the future.

To brutally honest, such customers are nothing more than a drain on Steam. If you're not generating profits for Valve, then they are not going to be inclined to keep you around through expending resources. That's just good business acumen. If you were current customer, then you'd be shifting to a supported OS anyway, so again, no need to expend resources supporting something is obsolete.

[Komarimaru]

And as a reminder, this isn't just Windows 7 being dropped either. Those who are only caring about their support and love for Windows 7 forget one major thing...

Steam does this for all operating systems. Linux versions get support dropped, Mac versions get support dropped... This is not a Windows only thing. It's been an operating system thing since... well since Steam has existed.

[nullable]

It's also not a Steam only thing, lots of software and services ended XP/Vista support. Lots of services have ended Windows 7 support, or are in the process of doing so, or it can be expected to occur sometime in the not distant future.

Only being aware of Steam doing it, doesn't make for very strong arguments that they should not.

[Brian9824]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Komarimaru:

And as a reminder, this isn't just Windows 7 being dropped either. Those who are only caring about their support and love for Windows 7 forget one major thing...

Steam does this for all operating systems. Linux versions get support dropped, Mac versions get support dropped... This is not a Windows only thing. It's been an operating system thing since... well since Steam has existed.

Hell its been a software thing for as long as OS's have existed....

[Hobbit XIII]

Ursprungligen skrivet av brian9824:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Komarimaru:

And as a reminder, this isn't just Windows 7 being dropped either. Those who are only caring about their support and love for Windows 7 forget one major thing...

Steam does this for all operating systems. Linux versions get support dropped, Mac versions get support dropped... This is not a Windows only thing. It's been an operating system thing since... well since Steam has existed.

Hell its been a software thing for as long as OS's have existed....

If there has been upset customers / consumers and likely there will be again the next time users are required to upgrade. Does this not make a good case for ' hey ok we will make a lite offline version ' ?

When / if I release games on Steam I would be happy for windows 7 and simpler machines to run them.
For two reasons
1. more money to fill my little pockets.
2. more people to enjoy gaming.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Ursprungligen skrivet av nullable:

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

I have offered my solution path for something tend to reoccur constantly. It is up to Valve to embed it, or make it wait and refurbish it to collaborate it with Chromium Embedded Framework for a future version of Steam Client.

It is up to Valve to decide, neither up to you nor your friend here.

Thanks for your contributions though.

They've already decided.

Their current plans aren't an accident or a mistake.

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

I have offered my solution path for something tend to reoccur constantly. It is up to Valve to embed it, or make it wait and refurbish it to collaborate it with Chromium Embedded Framework for a future version of Steam Client.

It is up to Valve to decide, neither up to you nor your friend here.

Thanks for your contributions though.

They decided.

On January 1st. 2024, the Steam client will no longer function on Windows 7.

Just like they did for 98/2000 and Windows XP.

Surprise?

As if i didn't know it. That's for Windows 8.1 and earlier versions. I repeat again again and again, i didn't write my solution for a specific OS, i am talking about future. Don't act like i didn't mention this already.

If you didn't like my idea on the matter, then i must say that i do not offer free espressos for the posters. I mean, no need to waste your time here if you don't want this solution to become a reality and arrive later on a future Steam Client version (i don't give an exact year).

Regards.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hobbit XIII:

Ursprungligen skrivet av brian9824:

Hell its been a software thing for as long as OS's have existed....

If there has been upset customers / consumers and likely there will be again the next time users are required to upgrade. Does this not make a good case for ' hey ok we will make a lite offline version ' ?

When / if I release games on Steam I would be happy for windows 7 and simpler machines to run them.
For two reasons
1. more money to fill my little pockets.
2. more people to enjoy gaming.

As games progress, they will stop supporting Windows 7 due to the limitations on the hardware and OS. We are already starting to see this now.

There isn't near enough revenue generated by the amount of users on Windows 7 to make any noticeable dent if it were to suddenly disappear. You're talking about barely 1% or current users.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

Ursprungligen skrivet av nullable:

They've already decided.

Their current plans aren't an accident or a mistake.

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

They decided.

On January 1st. 2024, the Steam client will no longer function on Windows 7.

Just like they did for 98/2000 and Windows XP.

Surprise?

As if i didn't know it. That's for Windows 8.1 and earlier versions. I repeat again again and again, i didn't write my solution for a specific OS, i am talking about future. Don't act like i didn't mention this already.

If you didn't like my idea on the matter, then i must say that i do not offer free espressos for the posters. I mean, no need to waste your time here if you don't want this solution to become a reality and arrive later on a future Steam Client version (i don't give an exact year).

Regards.

It will be the same for the future. There's literally nothing saying it won't.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

It will be the same for the future. There's literally nothing saying it won't.

That's your own opinion.

Things change, rules change, life changes.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

It will be the same for the future. There's literally nothing saying it won't.

That's your own opinion.

Things change, rules change, life changes.

Show me anything that says they would consider a lite launcher for the future.

[Brian9824]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hobbit XIII:

Ursprungligen skrivet av brian9824:

Hell its been a software thing for as long as OS's have existed....

If there has been upset customers / consumers and likely there will be again the next time users are required to upgrade. Does this not make a good case for ' hey ok we will make a lite offline version ' ?
.

Not really, there will always be people upset over changes, the cost to do the changes for less then 1% of the userbase, simply don't make it feasible.

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

It will be the same for the future. There's literally nothing saying it won't.

That's your own opinion.

Things change, rules change, life changes.

Actually that is a fact, there is nothing saying they will do your solution or anything else. In fact every bit of evidence including the fact that they have done the identical process multiple times shows its highly unlikely.

Right now its far more likely for them to do exactly as they communicated 6+ months ago. There is 0 evidence to support any other claim other then wishful thinking and denial.

[Hobbit XIII]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hobbit XIII:

If there has been upset customers / consumers and likely there will be again the next time users are required to upgrade. Does this not make a good case for ' hey ok we will make a lite offline version ' ?

When / if I release games on Steam I would be happy for windows 7 and simpler machines to run them.
For two reasons
1. more money to fill my little pockets.
2. more people to enjoy gaming.

As games progress, they will stop supporting Windows 7 due to the limitations on the hardware and OS. We are already starting to see this now.

There isn't near enough revenue generated by the amount of users on Windows 7 to make any noticeable dent if it were to suddenly disappear. You're talking about barely 1% or current users.

those 1% of users have money. I do not know the numbers but to me 1% is 1% of income.
My games will not require a lot to run at least the first of released ones will not.

Think of the small amount of users from the xp and other stone tool users. That is not a lot of people nowadays but the good will of some of those people who were felt pushed to upgrade may cost customers.
"I will upgrade but I will not use Steam anymore" I cannot say how many users over the previous years have said / done this and cannot say how many in the future will but to me thats all revenue and keeping happy customers is always preferable to having begrudging ones as well as losing some.

[nullable]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

Surprise?

As if i didn't know it. That's for Windows 8.1 and earlier versions. I repeat again again and again, i didn't write my solution for a specific OS, i am talking about future. Don't act like i didn't mention this already.

It doesn't matter if you know if you're also holding out hope that there's still decisions being made on the subject that might yield different outcomes. At the moment there's no evidence to suggest that is the case, so all your "Valve will have to decide", because you believe your ideas are so compelling the discussion is re-opened is your own invention.

Valve has already decided.

Ursprungligen skrivet av ☎need4naiim☎:

If you didn't like my idea on the matter, then i must say that i do not offer free espressos for the posters. I mean, no need to waste your time here if you don't want this solution to become a reality and arrive later on a future Steam Client version (i don't give an exact year).

Regards.

Well, yes, I suppose forever is a long time. Of course by that point you likely won't have anything to do with that future decision anyway. The circumstances and level of support would likely be different than what you're selling today.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hobbit XIII:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SlowMango:

As games progress, they will stop supporting Windows 7 due to the limitations on the hardware and OS. We are already starting to see this now.

There isn't near enough revenue generated by the amount of users on Windows 7 to make any noticeable dent if it were to suddenly disappear. You're talking about barely 1% or current users.

those 1% of users have money. I do not know the numbers but to me 1% is 1% of income.
My games will not require a lot to run at least the first of released ones will not.

Think of the small amount of users from the xp and other stone tool users. That is not a lot of people nowadays but the good will of some of those people who were felt pushed to upgrade may cost customers.
"I will upgrade but I will not use Steam anymore" I cannot say how many users over the previous years have said / done this and cannot say how many in the future will but to me thats all revenue and keeping happy customers is always preferable to having begrudging ones as well as losing some.

1% is 1%.

Doesn't matter what users say. Half of them say they are suing Steam, yet there are no lawsuits over the upgrade now or previously.

Begrudging customers will get over it. The customers they lose aren't worth keeping.