Breach of Contract

[Iron Knights]

When a Corporation changes the original contract and makes you sign "a new policy", that's BREACH OF CONTRACT. When said Corporation makes you sign a new contract under the Duress of Losing property if not signing - That's called Racketeering. A RICO liable CRIME.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por Haruspex:

I didn't know you went to law school OP. I look forward to the rock-solid lawsuit against Valve you'll undoubtedly bring forth.

I can see it now. Iron Knights Esquire, the man who brought down a giant.

The funny part is its been about 20 years, but i did have to take contract law for part of my masters. Steam's terms and what they are doing are literally textbook terms.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por Haruspex:

I didn't know you went to law school OP. I look forward to the rock-solid lawsuit against Valve you'll undoubtedly bring forth.

I can see it now. Iron Knights Esquire, the man who brought down a giant.

The funny part is its been about 20 years, but i did have to take contract law for part of my masters. Steam's terms and what they are doing are literally textbook terms.

Its sorta funny Brian, read Knights post then go back to post #65 here and you'll see the irony already unfold xD

[Boblin the Goblin]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

It would seem to me, the only question would be, what did Mr Newell know....and when did he know it?

Listen to your GAMERS, Mr Newell

He knew that 99% of his audience is on Windows 10.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

It would seem to me, the only question would be, what did Mr Newell know....and when did he know it?

Listen to your GAMERS, Mr Newell

He knew that 99% of his audience is on Windows 10.

I bet Mr. Newell is laughing at Rangers' silly attempts. If he really thinks that Mr. Newell should cater to him and him only, he needs a serious dose of reality check.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Escrito originalmente por eram:

Escrito originalmente por Iron Knights:

When a Corporation changes the original contract and makes you sign "a new policy", that's BREACH OF CONTRACT. When said Corporation makes you sign a new contract under the Duress of Losing property if not signing - That's called Racketeering. A RICO liable CRIME.

OR you can update your OS for free.

He's never going to, OP is flat-out ignorant because he doesn't want shiny new toys that is higher-end PCs that have superior performance in handling newer, graphically-demanding games that don't support older OS, and devs are not interested in catering to those kinds of folks.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

He knew that 99% of his audience is on Windows 10.

I bet Mr. Newell is laughing at Rangers' silly attempts. If he really thinks that Mr. Newell should cater to him and him only, he needs a serious dose of reality check.

Oh he doesn't genuinely think that. You'll notice that the only time he does those post is usually after a few hours since the last discussion in the thread.

It's just a call for attention and to stir the pot.

[Piston Smashed™]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

It would seem to me, the only question would be, what did Mr Newell know....and when did he know it?

Listen to your GAMERS, Mr Newell

He knew four years ago Microsoft ended support for Windows 7.
He knew earlier this year Steam was ending support in January 2024
He did listen to his gamers, they all updated and live in 2023 not stuck back in 2006...

[Jon the VGNerd]

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

I bet Mr. Newell is laughing at Rangers' silly attempts. If he really thinks that Mr. Newell should cater to him and him only, he needs a serious dose of reality check.

Oh he doesn't genuinely think that. You'll notice that the only time he does those post is usually after a few hours since the last discussion in the thread.

It's just a call for attention and to stir the pot.

Yep. I'm surprised the hammer hasn't been handed out yet, given his repeated delusions because of being in constant denial. I can bet he's also the type of person who hates brand new cars with all the state-of-the-art feature and instead keeps driving a worn-out beater that's seen better days and is about to completely die out.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

Oh he doesn't genuinely think that. You'll notice that the only time he does those post is usually after a few hours since the last discussion in the thread.

It's just a call for attention and to stir the pot.

Yep. I'm surprised the hammer hasn't been handed out yet, given his repeated delusions because of being in constant denial. I can bet he's also the type of person who hates brand new cars with all the state-of-the-art feature and instead keeps driving a worn-out beater that's seen better days and is about to completely die out.

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

[HikariLight]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Yep. I'm surprised the hammer hasn't been handed out yet, given his repeated delusions because of being in constant denial. I can bet he's also the type of person who hates brand new cars with all the state-of-the-art feature and instead keeps driving a worn-out beater that's seen better days and is about to completely die out.

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

And if you READ the End User License Agreement, you will see that it says that service can be stopped at anytime, either due to user violation of the contract or because the devs believe it isn't worth the time or money to keep supporting a game or OS that is hardly used or up to date.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Escrito originalmente por HikariLight:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

And if you READ the End User License Agreement, you will see that it says that service can be stopped at anytime, either due to user violation of the contract or because the devs believe it isn't worth the time or money to keep supporting a game or OS that is hardly used or up to date.

^This. All of this.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Yep. I'm surprised the hammer hasn't been handed out yet, given his repeated delusions because of being in constant denial. I can bet he's also the type of person who hates brand new cars with all the state-of-the-art feature and instead keeps driving a worn-out beater that's seen better days and is about to completely die out.

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

So you're admitting to what everyone already figured. At least it's in writing now.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por HikariLight:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

And if you READ the End User License Agreement, you will see that it says that service can be stopped at anytime, either due to user violation of the contract or because the devs believe it isn't worth the time or money to keep supporting a game or OS that is hardly used or up to date.

Well we've been over that ad nauseum. A User Agreement has to be consistant with the laws of our locales, states, and country. If they are not, or could be litigated be it by those regulators, or others, it does not matter what you signed.

In an email i furnished to Mr Newell, i impressed on him, that if i knew this to be a Lease Agreement, i would not have bought the games.

Questions as to whether people are owning or leasing, has also been filed by myself, and others admittedly here to the FTC, as to see redress on products we purchased and own, or can be barred or shut out.

And whether the definition of "purchase", should be changed to "purchase lease" in regards to the games sold at the store.

And to OPs contention, whether these terms are even valid at this point and time.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Yep. I'm surprised the hammer hasn't been handed out yet, given his repeated delusions because of being in constant denial. I can bet he's also the type of person who hates brand new cars with all the state-of-the-art feature and instead keeps driving a worn-out beater that's seen better days and is about to completely die out.

The reason Ranger (Ranger being me) does what he does, is because Ranger always gets a reaction. And he likely gets a reaction, because one, people do not like him calling out Mr Newell, or, that he just may be right, or opinions reflect many people.

Lets not forget. This is not XP. We can likely be talking about 2 million consumers, and that may be a conservative estimate, being we're soley going by 'polls" people may choose, or not, to fill out.

For full disclosure, and you should know this, the "hammer" comes down on me, at least twice a week. But they're quickly overturned, being they are nonsense.

We have a RIGHT, as consumers, to be treated with dignity, particularly where some folks may have spent THOUSANDS of dollars, only to be shut out of a product the paid for and earned.

None of us, including you, should have been under any other impression, this resistance was forthcoming, and should be.

I hope Mr Newell is not engaged in inappropriate or even litigous behaviors, but that is for others to decide

Section 8 of the Steam User Agreement disagrees entirely with this, when you signed up you forefited the rights to sue or go after Valve and Steam if they alter or amend the platform, software, hardware, accounts and/or games they own. They own Steam which if they alter Steam alone when Windows 7 and 8.1 Support is removed then they can fully do so as everyone who is typing and speaking here fully agreed to those contract terms of use

Further more under part B of section 8 it also wavers all attempts to legally sue and bring Steam to court if they amend or alter the platform, software, hardware and games they own, and even contains the means on what one should do if they feel these rules and changes are unfair.

Escrito originalmente por Section 8 of the End User Agreement:

Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion. In this case, you will be notified by e-mail of any amendment to this Agreement made by Valve at least 30 (30) days before the effective date of the amendment. You can view the Agreement at any time at http://www.steampowered.com/. Your failure to cancel your Account prior to the effective date of the amendment will constitute your acceptance of the amended terms. If you don’t agree to the amendments or to any of the terms in this Agreement, your only remedy is to cancel your Account or to cease use of the affected Subscription(s). Valve shall not have any obligation to refund any fees that may have accrued to your Account before cancellation of your Account or cessation of use of any Subscription, nor shall Valve have any obligation to prorate any fees in such circumstances.

[HikariLight]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por HikariLight:

And if you READ the End User License Agreement, you will see that it says that service can be stopped at anytime, either due to user violation of the contract or because the devs believe it isn't worth the time or money to keep supporting a game or OS that is hardly used or up to date.

Well we've been over that ad nauseum. A User Agreement has to be consistant with the laws of locales, states, and country. If they are not, or could be litigated, it does matter what you signed.

In an email i furnished to Mr Newell, i impressed on him, that if i knew this to be a Lease Agreement, i would not have bought the games.

Questions as to whether people are owning or leasing, has also been filed by myself, and others admittedly here to the FTC as to see redress on products we purchased and own, or can be barred or shut out.

And whether the definition f "purchase", should be "purchase lease" in regards to the games sold at the store. And to OPs contention, whether these terms are even valid at this point and time.

When you purchase a game, the EULA that you MUST agree to, to play the game, straight up tells you that you are buying a LICENSE to play the game, a license that could be revoked at anytime.