To Win 7 Users: Install Linux Mint

[D. Flame]

First off it sucks what Steam is doing to you. Not making this post to shame you, but just to try to help.

Mint actually feels a lot like Windows 7 or Windows XP, but it is more up to date. It has a software store so installing stuff like Steam is super easy.

I have also installed it for non-tech savvy 60 and 70 year olds, and even they can use it without problems.

As for games, I wanted to test it with an lower end machine, so I took a Dell Optiplex 3040 as a base and worked from there. I got a refreshed Intel Core i5-6500 on Amazon for like $50, and I got a new RX 6400 for like $150 and put them in the Dell.

To install Windows games in Linux you just need to do a few extra clicks. On the page with the install button for your game -> click the gear icon near the right side of the screen -> click properties -> the properties box will open -> click the compatibility tab -> put a check mark in that box, and leave it set to "Proton Experimental" and close the popup. Then just click install like normal.

As for how well the game will work when installing this way. It should work just as well as the Steam Deck does, since the deck is also using Linux. As for that Dell machine that I tried, I was even able to run newer games like Resident Evil 4 remake and Armored Core 6 on it. I was playing them at lower settings and 1080p, but they were running on Linux. Older games like DOOM (2016) were running at a full 60 FPS on higher settings.

You can even put Linux Mint on a USB drive or burn it to a DVD and boot it from that to try the it out before committing to the change.

[D. Flame]

引用自 Seraphita：

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The thread is to help people on Windows 7 that do not want to move to Windows 11. It is not meant to be a debate about why they don't want to use Windows 11.

[Seraphita]

引用自 D. Flame：

引用自 Seraphita：

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The thread is to help people on Windows 7 that do not want to move to Windows 11. It is not meant to be a debate about why they don't want to use Windows 11.

I mean. It's the same, no? Your post gave a fair reasoning about why Windows 11 does not sound like a good choice. I also do not think that my post(s) take anything away from what you have done in this thread. You still help Windows 7 users a good deal by helping them make a choice that is informed. In my opinion, it's a good thing.

Again, nothing negative intended. I think our posts only strengthened your intentions, it did not weaken it. I am a windows 10 user but it might still help me make a better choice in the long run. I do hope windows 7 users find a solution that helps them as well. I was simply trying to contribute my way to the thread. It was not against it. o.o

[Dura_Ace]

引用自 ersatz：

引用自 Dura_Ace：

I did some research.

Vulnerabilities found wont be patched. You are stuck with them to be exploited. I knew this already. And there are people that search and find these exploits/vulnerabilities for fun knowing that people are dumb enough to still keep using older, unsupported, software. These exploits are also sold on the dark web for crypto.

Also, just like i suspected, these "updates" that you are receiving, are malware signatures and
signatures for the MRT, which can be run from the cmd. These are not made for windows 7 specifically, as once gain - it is not supported anymore, but are pushed out to you as part of the windows eco system.

If you can provide evidense to contradict that statement then i am willing to look at it. But i need more than: "I am receiving updates so therefor my OS is still being supported"

You are not getting software updates for parts of windows. That was clear to me. They are not updating, aka adding features or modifying code, in windows 7/.They stopped working on it years ago.

If you are worried about telemetry then just remove it from 10 and have an OS that is not a vulnerability.

You seem to be under the misguided thought that redmont is till working on windows 7. They are not. You are on your own.

I liked 7 as well as will go on record as say that 7, apart from XP, was the best they came up with. But it is unsupported and therefore a risk to use, so i wont.

Windows 7 users have not received code modifying existing binaries inside windows 7 for nearly 10 years now. This is 10 years of people searching for ways to get into an OS that effectively started standign still and doing nothing any more. Windows 7 is now a snaphot of time. Immutable. It wont be changed anymore. This is a perfect environment for malicious people who want to find a way in.

I dont know about you, but i like my computer being secure and looked after. You dont get that if yo are still using 7.

Now, all you save windows 7 people need to move on with the times. Either stop using redmont products or move over to linux.

You may want to do more research. I believe what you're thinking of are the continued definition updates for microsoft security essentials, which is microsoft's legacy anti-virus. The updates provided by ESU patching methods are the official microsoft extended security updates for windows server 2008 r2 that were grandfathered in under microsoft azure and will be provided until January of 2026. These updates are meant for businesses and do make direct changes to the windows 6.1 codebase to fix exploits, which is the codebase both windows 7 and windows server 2008 r2 are based on. I wouldn't recommend continuing to use 7 after these updates stop being released, but until then an ESU patched system should be secure.

I don't blame you for not being able to find much information about the updates because microsoft has pretty much tried to keep them as quiet as possible and they are only being released for legal reasons. All updates being released for anything actually using specifically the brand/name of "Windows 7" have also ended, which makes it more unclear.

Why should i do more research? You did so link it.

[ersatz]

引用自 Dura_Ace：

引用自 ersatz：

You may want to do more research. I believe what you're thinking of are the continued definition updates for microsoft security essentials, which is microsoft's legacy anti-virus. The updates provided by ESU patching methods are the official microsoft extended security updates for windows server 2008 r2 that were grandfathered in under microsoft azure and will be provided until January of 2026. These updates are meant for businesses and do make direct changes to the windows 6.1 codebase to fix exploits, which is the codebase both windows 7 and windows server 2008 r2 are based on. I wouldn't recommend continuing to use 7 after these updates stop being released, but until then an ESU patched system should be secure.

I don't blame you for not being able to find much information about the updates because microsoft has pretty much tried to keep them as quiet as possible and they are only being released for legal reasons. All updates being released for anything actually using specifically the brand/name of "Windows 7" have also ended, which makes it more unclear.

Why should i do more research? You did so link it.

That information was off the top of my head but if you'd really like me to I can find a few resources about it that I have on hand. It'll be up to you to do further research though.

This is the full thread on the My Digital Life forum which is sort of the defacto for new information regarding ESU patching. Its about 400 pages long at this point and im not gonna go combing through every page to recap info but you're free to if you'd like. However I do have bookmarked page 393 which is where the information about 2008 r2 updates starts. It also contains pdf downloads of the internal microsoft documents detailing extended security support for enterprise use cases on server 2008 r2.

https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/bypass-windows-7-extended-security-updates-eligibility.80606/#post-1828283

Also semi-fun fact, these documents also show the extended support period for windows server 2008 until 2025, which is based on the same codebase as windows vista. There are ESU patching methods for vista as well from what I've heard but I have no experience with them. So idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Something else I have on hand is this youtube video by a fairly known linux youtuber published a few days ago about the end of steam updates on windows 7. It also details a lot of the ways the windows 7 community has kept the operating system usable, including ESU patching and the 2008 r2 security updates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE08P0iqCzY&lc=UgwjE_26SLG7pcxHDZl4AaABAg

Its quite well made and he did a lot of research about the topic so if you wanna know more about it you should watch the whole video because it and the comments are very interesting.

[CygGame]

My favorite linux experience I have had so far is linux mint. I am considering adding a second SSD for dual booting into mint again.

[Dura_Ace]

引用自 CygGame：

My favorite linux experience I have had so far is linux mint. I am considering adding a second SSD for dual booting into mint again.

I have a second computer, bought second hand - last gen Intel I5 3770S, that now is running Nobara.

January i will populate my second, currently empty, M2 SSD slot, with a nice big 2 TB Samsung with linux.

I did not want to dual boot on same drive. Ive had a few issues installing the various distros i tried and that would mess up my main drive.

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

引用自 Master.Constructor：

The Windows security updates included in UpdatePack7 are from Microsoft and are for Windows 6.1.7601 which covers all Windows 7 SP1 editions and Server 2008 R2.

You are wrong. UpdatePack7 DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY UPDATES FOR WINDOWS 7.

To anyone that has not yet seen Master.Constructor and what they are doing here's some information for you: They re-post and re-advertise this UpdatePack7 (a FAKE software package that does not update anything in Windows 7) all over the steam forums in many different forum threads. See here:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198018760782/posthistory/?q=UpdatePack7

[CygGame]

引用自 Dura_Ace：

引用自 CygGame：

My favorite linux experience I have had so far is linux mint. I am considering adding a second SSD for dual booting into mint again.

I have a second computer, bought second hand - last gen Intel I5 3770S, that now is running Nobara.

January i will populate my second, currently empty, M2 SSD slot, with a nice big 2 TB Samsung with linux.

I did not want to dual boot on same drive. Ive had a few issues installing the various distros i tried and that would mess up my main drive.

My experience has always been better using separate drives for each OS.