NSFW Sep 27, 2023 @ 12:35am
Why is Win7 da best and why Steam hates Win7 users ?
Are Win7 users like I would love to be one just trash, and Win10+11 users the masterhumans ?
Why discriminate people who don't want to eat every crap the industry produces ? Especially if it is only improving the datacollection and turning everything you do on your own pc into property of the OS producing companies ? Not want to name any special, but you know who.
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Cathulhu Sep 27, 2023 @ 12:37am 
Keep in mind that Windows 7 is as much a data collecting OS as Windows 10 or Windows 11, just with less options to control what data you want to reveal.

Even Windows XP was collecting data on its users. Remember XPAntispy?
Before this thread starts up I wanted to make one post to clarify everything before you go further: Steam is not discriminating against Windows 7 users. Steam had no choice in the matter. They have to drop Windows 7 support on the 1st of Jan 2024. They can not continue supporting Windows 7 after that date even if they wanted to.

And this is why: Steam uses the Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) inside of the steam client app. Google announced earlier this year that they will end support for Windows 7 for CEF on Jan 1 2024. Because steam uses CEF inside of the steam client then they also have to end support for Windows 7 on Jan 1 2024.

You are wrong to be mad at Valve/Steam. It's not their fault that Google ended Win7 support for CEF. You should be mad at Google for this. NOT STEAM.
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BJWyler Sep 27, 2023 @ 12:48am 
You can use whatever OS that you want for however long you want. But you are going to have to accept the fact that you will eventually be increasingly limited in what you can do by your own choice. Every business also has its own right to make choices in how that business grows and advances, and what technology it will use to do so.

Technology progression and deprecation has been the name of the game since the first room sized computer spun up its tape reel and consumed its first punch card. The advancement of technology has been both a boon and a curse to us as a society, but we also continue to grow and advance, like our technology.

Posting in a forum will not change the reality of the course of history, nor the future of technology progression. If anyone wants things to truly be different than how they are today, then it is done via laws and regulations implemented by governing bodies. Anyone can complain all they want here to high heaven, but unless they grow a set of cojones and make an attempt at actual change, then technology progression will continue to march on and trample anyone under foot that refuses to March with it.

Those are the consequences of choices.
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Cathulhu Sep 27, 2023 @ 12:55am 
Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
You are wrong to be mad at Valve/Steam. It's not their fault that Google ended Win7 support for CEF. You should be mad at Google for this. NOT STEAM.
Correction.
Chromium Embedded Framework is not made by Google.
Chromium on which CEF is based is not made by Google.
Chrome, which is based on Chromium is made by Google.
Originally posted by Cathulhu:
Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
You are wrong to be mad at Valve/Steam. It's not their fault that Google ended Win7 support for CEF. You should be mad at Google for this. NOT STEAM.
Correction.
Chromium Embedded Framework is not made by Google.
Chromium on which CEF is based is not made by Google.
Chrome, which is based on Chromium is made by Google.
You are right. I was wrong and what I wrote was incorrect. I apologize. I actually did not know that CEF wasn't made by Chrome until now. My bad.
NSFW Sep 27, 2023 @ 1:11am 
Originally posted by BJWyler:
Anyone can complain all they want here to high heaven, but unless they grow a set of cajones and make an attempt at actual change, then technology progression will continue to march on and trample anyone under foot that refuses to March with it.

First of all, it is cOjones, and second I am not really a fan of Win 7 but it is the best modern MS OS, I also never liked XP much - 2k was my choice and it could be even modified to be kind of equal to XP. Also it does not need cojones, it just needs money, and you discriminate the poor for making you rich in this capital accumulating system.

What you call progress is just bloatware consuming more power, but itself being of lower production quality and decresed security - because higher complexity of code does automatically make it weaker to attacks - so that more power consuming CPUs have something to do, It is almost the same with games, yes graphics still slightly improve, but the costs of it are nowhere rectifiable for this power consumption. Since Almost 20 years I watch the same quality of videos, and since Guildwars 1 Nightfall there has not been any mindbending progress as of how good graphics can look. It might always look slightly better, but in the end, the LOVE you invest into a game does produce better results, than any kind of massive shader stacks or whatever can bring to you, it is the experience you make with a game, by how it is designed, and not how detailed it is. It is the reiablity of the code, the stability of the gaming experience.

I don't udnerstand people like you, who always think that buying the newest crap is automatically superior, after experiencing it from my youth onward over the decades, I know gaming is not improving - technology is not improving much, and we are not going to solve anything with more power consumption and bigger machines.

The only thing that would for once do it, would just stick with one OS and keep on improving it.
It is the same with Linux, people remake all kind of distros and repeat the same crap over and over, never making really anything new, or anything that does appeal to normal people, because you need to follow a guide TO CHANGE A SIMPLE DRIVE.
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Karumati Sep 27, 2023 @ 1:29am 
Time waits for nobody.
Chika Ogiue Sep 27, 2023 @ 1:42am 
Windows 7 isn't the best. It's old and cranky. It was supposed to retire years ago, but people refused to move on to something younger. Now it's collapsed and fallen into a coma with no chance of coming out of it. Its internal organs have failed and life support is just keeping a dream alive for those who refuse to remove rose tinted glasses. The hospital is fed up of Windows 7 taking up a bed, so they're pulling the plug. Let it go now, in peace. Windows 7 has earned that much respect, surely?
BJWyler Sep 27, 2023 @ 1:43am 
First of all, it is cOjones,
Oh I know how it's spelled. I was just curious to see if that spelling would garner the response I anticipated. And it did. Thank you for that.

and second I am not really a fan of Win 7 but it is the best modern MS OS, I also never liked XP much - 2k was my choice and it could be even modified to be kind of equal to XP.
And everyone has an opinion on what the best OS is. But that's all it is, an opinion. And that opinion doesn't change the facts of the course of progress in our technological advancement.

Also it does not need cojones, it just needs money, and you discriminate the poor for making you rich in this capital accumulating system.
Oh, I did not realize I am the Father of capitalism or have all this money laying around. Thanks for pointing it out to me, now I won't need a second job to pay for my medical bills or a GoFundMe to pay for the vet bills and care of the stray cats I've taken in.

Oh wait, it's all a deflection to avoid the facts of history and taking personal responsibility for one's choices.

What you call progress is just bloatware consuming more power, but itself being of lower production quality and decresed security - because higher complexity of code does automatically make it weaker to attacks - so that more power consuming CPUs have something to do, It is almost the same with games, yes graphics still slightly improve, but the costs of it are nowhere rectifiable for this power consumption. Since Almost 20 years I watch the same quality of videos, and since Guildwars 1 Nightfall there has not been any mindbending progress as of how good graphics can look. It might always look slightly better, but in the end, the LOVE you invest into a game does produce better results, than any kind of massive shader stacks or whatever can bring to you, it is the experience you make with a game, by how it is designed, and not how detailed it is. It is the reiablity of the code, the stability of the gaming experience.
And again your opinion is meaningless unless you plan on actually doing something that may bring about actual change. Posting here on a forum certainly isn't going to do it, no matter how much you talk about meaningless things like graphical fidelity in a game. There's more to technological progress than just that.

I don't udnerstand people like you, who always think that buying the newest crap is automatically superior, after experiencing it from my youth onward over the decades, I know gaming is not improving - technology is not improving much, and we are not going to solve anything with more power consumption and bigger machines.
I never said that the newest stuff is always better. Thats not what technology progression has been, nor what it is. Sometimes there are things that are better, and sometimes there are things that are not, but part of progressing is learning from things that are not better and making improvements from there. Again your opinion on how much things improve is immaterial to history and the facts.

The only thing that would for once do it, would just stick with one OS and keep on improving it.
It is the same with Linux, people remake all kind of distros and repeat the same crap over and over, never making really anything new, or anything that does appeal to normal people, because you need to follow a guide TO CHANGE A SIMPLE DRIVE.
So, at the end of the day, you, like all the others complaining about "the system" will do nothing to actually make an attempt to change how it works and would rather just complain and deflect in a meaningless forum. Got it.
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Originally posted by ☺ TLM ☺- NuºSºTºEºAºMº UI SUCKS:
Especially if it is only improving the datacollection and turning everything you do on your own pc into property of the OS producing companies ? Not want to name any special, but you know who.
I always knew that if i use windows, its windows.

Its fine if you think win 7 is what you believe instead. But at least dont make up stuff.
Microsoft wants companies to use their os. And to pay for their services. Do you really think what you said is true?
NSFW Sep 27, 2023 @ 2:21am 
Originally posted by BJWyler:
So, at the end of the day, you, like all the others complaining about "the system" will do nothing to actually make an attempt to change how it works and would rather just complain and deflect in a meaningless forum. Got it.

What is this progress you are talking about, doing the same stuff you did with machines that consume less energy now with machines that are bigger and use more pwoer, and also on top do a better job at spying on you, and make it possible to access you private files at any time, because they are being scanned by "the security system" ?
Do you really believe, that you can write a document on a windows pc and if it contains important information it will not be inspected by microsoft or the people behind it, that have the backdoor codes to do whatever they want, whenever they want ?

Windows is just a platform that makes sure that every company that uses it does not have any advantage over main technologies that are of strategic interest for a certain country where the os comes from. You know, Industryespionage is a thing.

Yes I do exactly that to see how people try to blame me for doing more than them doing themselves. I do not necessarily have to believe in a better system, you can easily see that from my position on Operating Systems, I do not believe that there are really good ones at all, and there will never be one.

Because all we do is just a tool or a scheme to trick people into spending more money and achieve nothing more, just reinvent using a pc by making it consume more power for the same job.

People use the word progress frequently, when they want to express something, they do not even know what it means, they have some idea on their mind that shines, but when it comes to reality, progress means just to waste further ammounts of ressources to achieve nothing of any kind of substance.
Last edited by NSFW; Sep 27, 2023 @ 2:25am
Originally posted by BJWyler:
So, at the end of the day, you, like all the others complaining about "the system" will do nothing to actually make an attempt to change how it works and would rather just complain and deflect in a meaningless forum. Got it.

What is this progress you are talking about, doing the same stuff you did with machines that consume less energy now with machines that are bigger and use more pwoer, and also on top do a better job at spying on you, and make it possible to access you private files at any time, because they are being scanned by "the security system" ?
Do you really believe, that you can write a document on a windows pc and if it contains important information it will not be insopected by microsoft or the people behind it, that have hte backdoor codes to do whatever they want, whenever they want ?

Windows is just a platform that makes sure that every comapny that uses it does not have any advantage over main technologies that are of strategic interest for a certain country where the os comes from. You know, Industryespionage is a thing.

Yes I do exactly that to see how people try to blame me for doing more than them doing themselves. I do not necessarily have to believe in a better system, you can easily see that from my position on Operating Systems, I do not believe that there are really good ones at all, and there will never be one.

Because all we do is just a tool or a scheme to trick people into spending more money and achieve nothing more, just reinvent using a pc by making it consume more power for the same job.

People use the word progress frequently, when they want to express something, they do not even know what it means, they have some idea on their mind that shines, but when it comes to reality, progress means just to waste further ammounts of ressources to achieve nothing of any kind of substance.
Are you talking about windows 7?
NSFW Sep 27, 2023 @ 2:31am 
Originally posted by Muppet among Puppets:
Are you talking about windows 7?

Yes, and I am talking about the discrimination of people who refuse to use every new more modern tool, os, software, patch, UI, etc. whatever, and how the system of discrimination works and makes you think you are doing the right thing, if you discriminate people who do not go with the so called progress, which is nothing but a hollow phrase to give life a potential meaning, without even knowhing where progress should lead to, and if we are even on track to it.
Karumati Sep 27, 2023 @ 2:38am 
Originally posted by Muppet among Puppets:
Are you talking about windows 7?

Yes, and I am talking about the discrimination of people who refuse to use every new more modern tool, os, software, patch, UI, etc. whatever, and how the system of discrimination works and makes you think you are doing the right thing, if you discriminate people who do not go with the so called progress, which is nothing but a hollow phrase to give life a potential meaning, without even knowhing where progress should lead to, and if we are even on track to it.
they are not entitled for permanent support of their outdated OS
Tharon Sep 27, 2023 @ 3:00am 
Originally posted by Cathulhu:
Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:
You are wrong to be mad at Valve/Steam. It's not their fault that Google ended Win7 support for CEF. You should be mad at Google for this. NOT STEAM.
Correction.
Chromium Embedded Framework is not made by Google.
Chromium on which CEF is based is not made by Google.
Chrome, which is based on Chromium is made by Google.

You are wrong.
Chromium is a Google project.
CEF is used to encapsulate Chromium in other applications and is based on Chromium (not the other way around)

While Chromium is an Open Source project this doesn't mean it's not made (mainly developed) and owned by Google. This is a common misconception
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