Primus 29 maja 2023 o 23:44
Not only Windows 7, but Windows 8.1 support is also ending on Steam
Windows 8.1 is only a 10 years old operating system, and they are ending support for it also. Windows 10 is currently 8 years old, so should we expect Steam to stop supporting it after 2 years? Not a very smart business policy this IMO. Steam should uncouple with Chrome, which Steam says is the reason for stopping support for older windows versions. I think it is time to reconsider investing more in a Steam account as it looks like it'll go poof.
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maintaining your computer to a supported standard is a user issue..
currently there is no government or professional intervention to change this...


there is 216 days to upgrade to a supported OS to maintain your game playing ability
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.EteRnal. 30 maja 2023 o 0:05 
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You have to understand Windows is built for compatibility in mind. I have yet to encounter a compatibility issue with my games on 10 or 11.

The question stands: What will happen when Steam supports supporting win 10 also in 2 years?
I have already told you. Steam will likely support Windows 10 for several years after EoL.
Primus 30 maja 2023 o 0:05 
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...But that doesn't mean Valve will.

Let's hope so.
Primus 30 maja 2023 o 0:07 
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The question stands: What will happen when Steam supports supporting win 10 also in 2 years?
I have already told you. Steam will likely support Windows 10 for several years after EoL.

It is not up to Steam to decide, since they rely on Chrome, and Google chose to stop supporting Win 7/8.1 when Microsoft did. That's why Steam should uncouple with Chrome.
.EteRnal. 30 maja 2023 o 0:09 
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Windows 10 is roughly 61%. 8.1 support is ending due to a limitation of chromium. I foresee Windows 10 being supported for several years after EoL like 7 was.

Windows 10 was launched in 2015, so 2025 will be the sunset for Win 10, and 61% of Steam users, hence my suggestion that Steam should seriously consider developing their own framework. Good luck telling 61% of your customer base to upgrade their operating system (which is a true hussle), or else... Steam are smart folks, and I bet they share my concern.
In 2018, Windows 7 accounted for over 57% of Steam users. As of today it is roughly 1%. People will upgrade especially when new titles stop supporting it. Those holdouts can enjoy their limited library and a vulnerable operating system.

Source: Wayback Machine Steam Software & Hardware Survey[web.archive.org]
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Primus 30 maja 2023 o 0:10 
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maintaining your computer to a supported standard is a user issue..
currently there is no government or professional intervention to change this...


there is 216 to upgrade to a supported OS to maintain your game playing ability

I'm guessing Google may be looking at another kick in the balls by the European Commission.
Primus 30 maja 2023 o 0:12 
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Windows 10 was launched in 2015, so 2025 will be the sunset for Win 10, and 61% of Steam users, hence my suggestion that Steam should seriously consider developing their own framework. Good luck telling 61% of your customer base to upgrade their operating system (which is a true hussle), or else... Steam are smart folks, and I bet they share my concern.
In 2018, Windows 7 accounted for over 57% of Steam users. As of today it is roughly 1%. People will upgrade especially when new titles stop supporting it. Those holdouts can enjoy their limited library and vulnerable operating systems.

Source: Wayback Machine Steam Software & Hardware Survey[web.archive.org]

I understand and agree with that to some extent. But my suggestion is valid: Steam should uncouple with Google and develop their own framework, so that STEAM, not Google, can decide whether Steam wants to continue supporting a certain operating system or not.
Crazy Tiger 30 maja 2023 o 0:16 
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I have already told you. Steam will likely support Windows 10 for several years after EoL.

It is not up to Steam to decide, since they rely on Chrome, and Google chose to stop supporting Win 7/8.1 when Microsoft did. That's why Steam should uncouple with Chrome.
Actually, it *is* up to Valve to decide. The CEF version they use is a customised one and the current one is years out of date. Valve has now decided that they will upgrade to a very recent version of CEF, one that doesn't support Win7/8 anymore. They could also have decided to upgrade to a newer version, but one that still supports Win7/8.

It *is* Valves choice. And the main reason to now go for the newest version is because the userbase of Win7/8 is so low. Just as they did with XP/Vista in 2019.
.EteRnal. 30 maja 2023 o 0:20 
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It is not up to Steam to decide, since they rely on Chrome, and Google chose to stop supporting Win 7/8.1 when Microsoft did. That's why Steam should uncouple with Chrome.
Actually, it *is* up to Valve to decide. The CEF version they use is a customised one and the current one is years out of date. Valve has now decided that they will upgrade to a very recent version of CEF, one that doesn't support Win7/8 anymore. They could also have decided to upgrade to a newer version, but one that still supports Win7/8.

It *is* Valves choice. And the main reason to now go for the newest version is because the userbase of Win7/8 is so low. Just as they did with XP/Vista in 2019.
Spot on. CEF & Chromium as a whole is open source. If Valve wanted to they could continue to support 7 & 8.1 but what is the point?
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lailaamell 30 maja 2023 o 0:24 
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Actually, it *is* up to Valve to decide. The CEF version they use is a customised one and the current one is years out of date. Valve has now decided that they will upgrade to a very recent version of CEF, one that doesn't support Win7/8 anymore. They could also have decided to upgrade to a newer version, but one that still supports Win7/8.

It *is* Valves choice. And the main reason to now go for the newest version is because the userbase of Win7/8 is so low. Just as they did with XP/Vista in 2019.
Spot on. CEF & Chromium as a whole is open source. If Valve wanted to they could continue to support 7 & 8.1 but what is the point?
Also it has a bit to do with security on their end as older ver can habe vurnebilities and that could make valve liable if something occurs related to those vurnebilities
.EteRnal. 30 maja 2023 o 0:26 
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Spot on. CEF & Chromium as a whole is open source. If Valve wanted to they could continue to support 7 & 8.1 but what is the point?
Also it has a bit to do with security on their end as older ver can habe vurnebilities and that could make valve liable if something occurs related to those vurnebilities
Absolutely, Valve would be responsible for backporting all of the fixes. Extra time and money for no good reason.
Primus 30 maja 2023 o 3:47 
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It is not up to Steam to decide, since they rely on Chrome, and Google chose to stop supporting Win 7/8.1 when Microsoft did. That's why Steam should uncouple with Chrome.
Actually, it *is* up to Valve to decide. The CEF version they use is a customised one and the current one is years out of date. Valve has now decided that they will upgrade to a very recent version of CEF, one that doesn't support Win7/8 anymore. They could also have decided to upgrade to a newer version, but one that still supports Win7/8.

It *is* Valves choice. And the main reason to now go for the newest version is because the userbase of Win7/8 is so low. Just as they did with XP/Vista in 2019.

Thank you for this piece of information. This was not obvious in the Steam statement on why they are discontinuing support for Win 8.1; my understanding from their wording was something like 'sorry about that but it's a Google thing, so we can't do nutting 'bout dat.' Here is the full wording of their statement:

"Windows 7 and Windows 8 Support
As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, the Steam Client will no longer run on those versions of Windows. In order to continue running Steam and any games or other products purchased through Steam, users will need to update to a more recent version of Windows.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

Although support won't end until 2024, we strongly encourage all Windows 7/8/8.1 users to update sooner rather than later. Microsoft ended security updates and technical support for Windows 7 in January 2020 and for Windows 8.1 in January 2023. Computers running these operating systems, when connected to the internet, are susceptible to new malware and other exploits which will not be patched. That malware can cause your PC, Steam and games to perform poorly or crash. That malware can also be used to steal the credentials for your Steam account or other services."
IFIYGD 30 maja 2023 o 3:54 
Hey, OP?
Be glad you have until January 2024.

Mac users still on El Capitan or Sierra only have until September 2023 to upgrade.

I can't say I've seen a single rant and gripe thread by any of them, though I could have missed it.
BJWyler 30 maja 2023 o 4:38 
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Windows 8.1 is only a 10 years old operating system, and they are ending support for it also. Windows 10 is currently 8 years old, so should we expect Steam to stop supporting it after 2 years?
Doubtful that Valve will discontinue support for Windows 10 in 2025. They have traditionally maintained support for years after the Microsoft EOL. XP was supported for an additional 4 years. Windows 7 for another 3 years. And the only reason why the change is being prompted now is because of the move to a more modern and secure version of CEF, which does not work on OSes older than 7/8.1. Therefore it stands to reason that Windows 10 will be supported at least for another 5-7 years.

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Not a very smart business policy this IMO.
It's an extremely smart business decision to ensure your platform remains updated and current with modern and current technologies for all of said platform's users. Valve is obligated to do so to ensure the future of the platform remains stable and secure.

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Steam should uncouple with Chrome, which Steam says is the reason for stopping support for older windows versions. I think it is time to reconsider investing more in a Steam account as it looks like it'll go poof.
Valve should do whatever Valve thinks is best for their business and their platform. They have chosen to integrate CEF for the future, as many, many, many other apps and businesses have. Steam accounts are going no where. They will always be there unless a user egregiously breaks some rules or they themselves delete their own account.


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"This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows." This is from Steam
Yes, the embedded version is Chromium Embedded Framework. Chrome is built off of this framework, and it is widely used by many different apps and platforms.


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That's why I suggest Steam uncouple with Chrome and develop a standalone framework of their own. Consider that Steam store has games which are older than 30 years. So, it is only logical to expect them to support an operating system that is older than 10 years.
There's no correlation at all. Developers decide what games they sell on Steam, and they themselves maintain compatibility with current technology. Age of the game is irrelevant. Many of those games would not function right now without certain workarounds or patches built in to support Windows 7 and beyond. So it would only be logical to support older OSes if those OSes were also maintained and updated to work with current technologies. They are not, so they will not be supported.

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Windows 10 was launched in 2015, so 2025 will be the sunset for Win 10, and 61% of Steam users, hence my suggestion that Steam should seriously consider developing their own framework. Good luck telling 61% of your customer base to upgrade their operating system (which is a true hussle), or else... Steam are smart folks, and I bet they share my concern.
Windows 12 will be launching next year, so it is doubtful that Windows 10 will still maintain a 61% usage rate. Windows 11 has already increased usage since its launch two years ago. That's the way things have worked for several iterations now. Windows 7 continues to shrink usage. Windows 10 will begin to shrink usage until it, like 95, 98, 2000, Me, XP, and Vista are deprecated by most modern technology. Most likely, as I already mentioned, Steam will continue to work on and support 10 for a few years after official EOL. And if it isn't, then most people will end up upgrading, as most people in the world have already moved to 10 and 11. Quite frankly the upgrade to 10 and 11 are some of the smoothest upgrades I have ever had with Windows. My move from XP to 7 was much more problematic and painful.
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Brian9824 30 maja 2023 o 5:22 
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Windows 10 is roughly 61%. 8.1 support is ending due to a limitation of chromium. I foresee Windows 10 being supported for several years after EoL like 7 was.

Windows 10 was launched in 2015, so 2025 will be the sunset for Win 10, and 61% of Steam users, hence my suggestion that Steam should seriously consider developing their own framework. Good luck telling 61% of your customer base to upgrade their operating system (which is a true hussle), or else... Steam are smart folks, and I bet they share my concern.

They won't drop it at 61% established userbase. Chromium and other parties only drop support when the OS is both outdated, and the userbase has dropped to a point that its not sustainable or worth it anymore.

This isn't a new thing. Support has been dropped for OS's all the time, and it always occurs when the userbase of the OS is well under 2%. Chromium isn't going to drop support for 30% of their userbase for instance.
Ostatnio edytowany przez: Brian9824; 30 maja 2023 o 5:22
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