Windows 7 Support Ending - WHY!?

Karumati 2023年5月27日 22時32分

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Win 7 sucks more
I'd agree, but only because MS moved on. Frankly, IMO, 7 was better for its period than 10. Now it is supposed to be transitioning to 11's period, but that one has a bit to go.

Win7 doesn’t even support new hardware.

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Lystent 2023年5月27日 23時25分

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I'd agree, but only because MS moved on. Frankly, IMO, 7 was better for its period than 10. Now it is supposed to be transitioning to 11's period, but that one has a bit to go.
Win7 doesn’t even support new hardware.

But that hardware wasn't around when Win 7 was the latest Windows OS, now was it?

Edit: practically everyone dropped win 7 now because MS did.

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Karumati 2023年5月27日 23時45分

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Win7 doesn’t even support new hardware.
But that hardware wasn't around when Win 7 was the latest Windows OS, now was it?

Edit: practically everyone dropped win 7 now because MS did.

Because now win 11 is much better.
For gaming at least.

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Lystent 2023年5月27日 23時50分

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But that hardware wasn't around when Win 7 was the latest Windows OS, now was it?

Edit: practically everyone dropped win 7 now because MS did.
Because now win 11 is much better.
For gaming at least.

Windows 11 wasn't even a thing when it was win 7's day.

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Komarimaru 2023年5月28日 0時16分

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Because now win 11 is much better.
For gaming at least.
Windows 11 wasn't even a thing when it was win 7's day.

Nothing, is a thing from Windows 7 era. Called progression.

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Lystent 2023年5月28日 0時35分

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Windows 11 wasn't even a thing when it was win 7's day.
Nothing, is a thing from Windows 7 era. Called progression.

Just because it is newer doesn't mean it improved in every regard. In win 7 v 10, many are docking 10 points for privacy or bloating. I'd certainly dock it for reliability. I see debates opening up that call into question weather or not it, in relative to its own time period, it had better security or not. Whatever the case is on the security bit, relative to their own time period, I feel win 7 offered better performance than 10.
10 does have a lot going for it, but also quite a bit of wrenches thrown into it. 11, being much like a dumbed down 10, suffers much of the same issues (albeit, I'll add that the UI seems a little clunkier, probably because of lack of customization).

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Komarimaru 2023年5月28日 0時51分

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Nothing, is a thing from Windows 7 era. Called progression.
Just because it is newer doesn't mean it improved in every regard. In win 7 v 10, many are docking 10 points for privacy or bloating. I'd certainly dock it for reliability. I see debates opening up that call into question weather or not it, in relative to its own time period, it had better security or not. Whatever the case is on the security bit, relative to their own time period, I feel win 7 offered better performance than 10.
10 does have a lot going for it, but also quite a bit of wrenches thrown into it. 11, being much like a dumbed down 10, suffers much of the same issues (albeit, I'll add that the UI seems a little clunkier, probably because of lack of customization).

1. The privacy and bloat is a myth, pure and simple. In 10 you can do far more to remove such things, things you don't even know you have running all the time in 7 it seems, and not even fully removable. This is been proven time over again and again, but people just stick their fingers in their ears and go naa naa can't hear you!

2. 10 is obviously more secure, since it's been patched for vulnerabilities where as 7 has not. And tired of seeing the lames excuses of "But I have good anti virus" etc etc, since those don't matter for the exploits, that is what made them so dangerous and why patched. System level access, bypassing software based Anti-Virus and Firewalls.

3. Windows 7 never offered better performance. That was yet another myth. What made 7 seem like it was faster, was the old system requirements, since had far less features and support. You know why Vista was hated? Because it's system requirements were so high, yet a little later... Vista SP3 came out(Aka, Windows 7) and suddenly everyone loved it, even though same requirements, but newer hardware had become cheaper by that time, thus dropping prices on hardware that 7 would run comfortably on.

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Karumati 2023年5月28日 3時04分

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Nothing, is a thing from Windows 7 era. Called progression.
Just because it is newer doesn't mean it improved in every regard. In win 7 v 10, many are docking 10 points for privacy or bloating. I'd certainly dock it for reliability. I see debates opening up that call into question weather or not it, in relative to its own time period, it had better security or not. Whatever the case is on the security bit, relative to their own time period, I feel win 7 offered better performance than 10.
10 does have a lot going for it, but also quite a bit of wrenches thrown into it. 11, being much like a dumbed down 10, suffers much of the same issues (albeit, I'll add that the UI seems a little clunkier, probably because of lack of customization).

If you using smartphone or bank account - you don’t have privacy

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Lystent 2023年5月28日 12時43分

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1. The privacy and bloat is a myth, pure and simple. In 10 you can do far more to remove such things, things you don't even know you have running all the time in 7 it seems, and not even fully removable. This is been proven time over again and again, but people just stick their fingers in their ears and go naa naa can't hear you!

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If you using smartphone or bank account - you don’t have privacy

It is a whole debate I've been seeing over and over again, You can go join the masses in that back-and-forth as far as I am concerned.

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2. 10 is obviously more secure, since it's been patched for vulnerabilities where as 7 has not. And tired of seeing the lames excuses of "But I have good anti virus" etc etc, since those don't matter for the exploits, that is what made them so dangerous and why patched. System level access, bypassing software based Anti-Virus and Firewalls.

Another debate that is opening up, same story, but with less people.

Edit: Basically, if you are looking at me to argue those debates, well do I have news for you (wrong person). I just brought them up because they are actual steam forum debates. "Steam forum" being about the best you are gonna get in the steam forums.

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3. Windows 7 never offered better performance. That was yet another myth. What made 7 seem like it was faster, was the old system requirements, since had far less features and support. You know why Vista was hated? Because it's system requirements were so high, yet a little later... Vista SP3 came out(Aka, Windows 7) and suddenly everyone loved it, even though same requirements, but newer hardware had become cheaper by that time, thus dropping prices on hardware that 7 would run comfortably on.

I wasn't using "performance" on the sense of just system resource usage. I was considering user experience, as well as what amounts to reliability. "Performance" was the best word I could find at the time to fit the bill.

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76561198062598690 2023年5月28日 12時47分

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Just because it is newer doesn't mean it improved in every regard. In win 7 v 10, many are docking 10 points for privacy or bloating. I'd certainly dock it for reliability. I see debates opening up that call into question weather or not it, in relative to its own time period, it had better security or not. Whatever the case is on the security bit, relative to their own time period, I feel win 7 offered better performance than 10.
10 does have a lot going for it, but also quite a bit of wrenches thrown into it. 11, being much like a dumbed down 10, suffers much of the same issues (albeit, I'll add that the UI seems a little clunkier, probably because of lack of customization).
1. The privacy and bloat is a myth, pure and simple. In 10 you can do far more to remove such things, things you don't even know you have running all the time in 7 it seems, and not even fully removable. This is been proven time over again and again, but people just stick their fingers in their ears and go naa naa can't hear you!

2. 10 is obviously more secure, since it's been patched for vulnerabilities where as 7 has not. And tired of seeing the lames excuses of "But I have good anti virus" etc etc, since those don't matter for the exploits, that is what made them so dangerous and why patched. System level access, bypassing software based Anti-Virus and Firewalls.

3. Windows 7 never offered better performance. That was yet another myth. What made 7 seem like it was faster, was the old system requirements, since had far less features and support. You know why Vista was hated? Because it's system requirements were so high, yet a little later... Vista SP3 came out(Aka, Windows 7) and suddenly everyone loved it, even though same requirements, but newer hardware had become cheaper by that time, thus dropping prices on hardware that 7 would run comfortably on.

After a fresh windows 10 install you have SO MUCH POP UP AND ADDS!!! and removing all the them, + uninstalling all the ♥♥♥♥ and useless software, you have for more than 1h to do it.. and you have to know about it. While windows 7 is a ready to use.

Windows 10, when you look at the task manager, it's a mess how many programs run on a clean version of windows 10.. Soooo much programms.. Sometime your CPU will goes crazy 100% and remains there for no reason.. Same for the HDD which will slow down the computer.

I got so much problems and frustration with windows 10.. which is not a windows by the way but more a fusion of bad idea integrated into a badly designed OS. everything is squary, gray, depressing..

Windows 7 with the aero effect was beautifull, colorfull and pleasant to navigate. Yes you can add those stuff to windobe 10 but it remains a windobe 10 with a better look lol.

The only thing windows 10 have is DX12.. which is bad compared to what an optimised vulkan API can do. vulkan also beat DX11.

Microsoft Did a great job by forcing their free upgrade to everyone. Since windows 95 you had to buy your copy of windows, but with windows 7, Microsoft knew that windows 7 was not intentionnaly coded to steal informations and selling it to third company, probably China...

Why do you think they forced everyone to windows 10, freely? Come on.. nothing is free in this world and not from billionair XD.. we are numbers for thems, dont forget..

So yea, Windows 10 is a real snake and it's really sad that Linux is not becoming the #1 Gaming O.S. because i would go Linux since everyone has left Windows 7 behind which was a great Operating System, that could run any new software if they removed their fingers and returning to a great opearting system.

I still dont understand that no bells has ringed when Microsoft announced that windows 10 was free for any windows 7 users. It smelled the danger from miles.. We know how Satanic Microsoft has become..

Time to wake up to the hard reality!

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Ogami 2023年5月28日 12時50分

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After a fresh windows 10 install you have SO MUCH POP UP AND ADDS!!! and removing all the them, + uninstalling all the ♥♥♥♥ and useless software, you have for more than 1h to do it.. and you have to know about it. While windows 7 is a ready to use.

Both Windows 10 and 11 literally ask you DURING INSTALLATION which services you want installed and what data you want to share with Microsoft.
It takes not even 5 minutes to config everything how you want, that is BEFORE Windows 10/11 even starts the first time.

The only thing i ever got on a fresh Windows 10/11 after first install was a empty desktop.
The same as with Win 7 before.

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Lystent 2023年5月28日 12時52分

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After a fresh windows 10 install you have SO MUCH POP UP AND ADDS!!! and removing all the them, + uninstalling all the ♥♥♥♥ and useless software, you have for more than 1h to do it.. and you have to know about it. While windows 7 is a ready to use.

Both Windows 10 and 11 literally ask your DURING INSTALLATION which services you want installed and what you want turned off.
It takes not even 5 minutes to config everything how you want, that is BEFORE Windows 10/11 even starts the first time.

I told windows not to install anything that was optional. I still had plenty of junk to remove, including social media apps like tiktok.

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Ogami 2023年5月28日 13時01分

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I told windows not to install anything that was optional. I still had plenty of junk to remove, including social media apps like tiktok.

Hmm. maybe because i have Windows Pro ( upgraded my old Win 7 Pro key first to 10 and later to 11) but i definitely had no social media stuff installed on a fresh install.
Maybe there are different versions?

I would remember if i had to uninstall TikTok because i never would keep that garbage.

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Komarimaru 2023年5月28日 13時03分

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1. The privacy and bloat is a myth, pure and simple. In 10 you can do far more to remove such things, things you don't even know you have running all the time in 7 it seems, and not even fully removable. This is been proven time over again and again, but people just stick their fingers in their ears and go naa naa can't hear you!

2. 10 is obviously more secure, since it's been patched for vulnerabilities where as 7 has not. And tired of seeing the lames excuses of "But I have good anti virus" etc etc, since those don't matter for the exploits, that is what made them so dangerous and why patched. System level access, bypassing software based Anti-Virus and Firewalls.

3. Windows 7 never offered better performance. That was yet another myth. What made 7 seem like it was faster, was the old system requirements, since had far less features and support. You know why Vista was hated? Because it's system requirements were so high, yet a little later... Vista SP3 came out(Aka, Windows 7) and suddenly everyone loved it, even though same requirements, but newer hardware had become cheaper by that time, thus dropping prices on hardware that 7 would run comfortably on.

After a fresh windows 10 install you have SO MUCH POP UP AND ADDS!!! and removing all the them, + uninstalling all the ♥♥♥♥ and useless software, you have for more than 1h to do it.. and you have to know about it. While windows 7 is a ready to use.

Windows 10, when you look at the task manager, it's a mess how many programs run on a clean version of windows 10.. Soooo much programms.. Sometime your CPU will goes crazy 100% and remains there for no reason.. Same for the HDD which will slow down the computer.

I got so much problems and frustration with windows 10.. which is not a windows by the way but more a fusion of bad idea integrated into a badly designed OS. everything is squary, gray, depressing..

Windows 7 with the aero effect was beautifull, colorfull and pleasant to navigate. Yes you can add those stuff to windobe 10 but it remains a windobe 10 with a better look lol.

The only thing windows 10 have is DX12.. which is bad compared to what an optimised vulkan API can do. vulkan also beat DX11.

Microsoft Did a great job by forcing their free upgrade to everyone. Since windows 95 you had to buy your copy of windows, but with windows 7, Microsoft knew that windows 7 was not intentionnaly coded to steal informations and selling it to third company, probably China...

Why do you think they forced everyone to windows 10, freely? Come on.. nothing is free in this world and not from billionair XD.. we are numbers for thems, dont forget..

So yea, Windows 10 is a real snake and it's really sad that Linux is not becoming the #1 Gaming O.S. because i would go Linux since everyone has left Windows 7 behind which was a great Operating System, that could run any new software if they removed their fingers and returning to a great opearting system.

I still dont understand that no bells has ringed when Microsoft announced that windows 10 was free for any windows 7 users. It smelled the danger from miles.. We know how Satanic Microsoft has become..

Time to wake up to the hard reality!

Not sure what type of Windows 10 you are installing, but you can set all this up, during the install.

The only things you need to do once a clean install is done, is disable the Microsoft Store Suggestions, takes 30 seconds, Disable Cortana, 30 seconds, disable OneDrive(Which I recommend everyone does anyway) 2 minutes max depending on Storage Speed and CPU.

Not sure what CPU you're using that pegs to 100% in Windows 10, but I don't even get that on a Q9650 from 2008.

And just an FYI, DX12 was based off Vulkan. Yes, if you don't have a modern DX12 card that's not some cheap old version, you won't get a good experience. But you'd get the same experience from Vulkan from that exact same card with exact same settings in most cases.

And you know why Windows 10 was free? Not for any reason you're thinking of, that's for sure.

They don't make money from retail sales of Windows, they never have made money from Retail sales. They make all their money from OEM sales, so quit the conspiracy bologna.

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Ogami 2023年5月28日 13時09分

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The only things you need to do once a clean install is done, is disable the Microsoft Store Suggestions, takes 30 seconds, Disable Cortana, 30 seconds, disable OneDrive(Which I recommend everyone does anyway) 2 minutes max depending on Storage Speed and CPU.[/b]

Yeah, Cortana and OneDrive is the only things i can remember i actively uninstall each time on a fresh Win 10/11.

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