Steam class action lawsuit(s)

[TYRVNT]

I've never made a Steam post before. I never felt the need to, though I've been helped by the lovely people who post many times, so I thank you for that. Buuuuut also, that's part of why I love Steam...

And that brings me to today's rant which I randomly feel the need to write after seeing a YouTube ad encouraging me to join a class-action lawsuit against Steam. It's not the first I've seen, but it's the first one that made me stop and say, "Wait, WHAT?"

Of course, I understand how the world works. For the most part, it's probably just some people trying to make a quick buck, and to profit from our flawed legal system. I admit, I didn't even bother to investigate it further as I simply don't care. However, one thought just occurred to me after seeing it, which is:

"Steam is far from perfect. Valve has much they can improve on, and I hope they do. However, that being said, in today's world, I struggle to think of another company, not just in the gaming industry but in general, that does as much to be genuinely pro-consumer as Steam does."

I had not stopped to consider it before seeing the ad for the class-action lawsuit, but ironically, it made me realize that Valve is one of the most pro-consumer companies I've ever encountered or dealt with. And so, any "monopoly" they may have over the gaming market is not due to nefarious practices or backroom deals (though, of course, it's possible that's a part of it behind the scenes), but because it's just THAT MUCH BETTER than any alternative out there.

Huge shout out to GoG & GoG Galaxy, I love what they stand for and how they operate, I'm glad they exist and encourage people to check them out. But... again, they're no Steam. And every other launcher I can think of, I honestly put on the same level as bloatware in my mind at this point. xD


So i guess TL;DR:
Today i found it super ironic that in a world of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, evil companies, I got an ad to join a class action lawsuit against one of the ONLY ones that seems to actually care about me as a user, Steam 🤣

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引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

The reason why websites have ToS is because there's no verbal/physical aspect to which they can hold you accountable, so they need to use legal methods to enforce their rights.

But you sign all sorts of ToS in person any time you sign paperwork, really.

You know the "your privacy rights" paperwork doctors offices make you sign as a new patient? That's a small contract as well, acknowledging your HIPAA rights and how the clinic will enforce them.

Those rights as a patient, are that of the Law. Walking into a storefront, there are no disclosures signed. I suppose they can, but i also suppose someone will walk out, and go someplace else.

And that's the issue with these tech companies. They're a monopoly in many cases, and in others working outside the boundaries of the law, or until laws that may prevent them from doing so are established, and i'm confident they will be.

In this country, there is bipartisan support, And to the extent they're too slow, states will do it themselves, and are.

It's more than tech companies, any multibillion dollar company can be held to this.

I mean Nestle's CEO says clean drinking water isn't a human right. I don't see you boycotting hot pockets or Cheerios.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

The reason why websites have ToS is because there's no verbal/physical aspect to which they can hold you accountable, so they need to use legal methods to enforce their rights.

But you sign all sorts of ToS in person any time you sign paperwork, really.

You know the "your privacy rights" paperwork doctors offices make you sign as a new patient? That's a small contract as well, acknowledging your HIPAA rights and how the clinic will enforce them.

Those rights as a patient, are that of the Law. Walking into a storefront, there are no disclosures signed. I suppose they can, but i also suppose someone will walk out, and go someplace else.

You can do the same on Steam.

引用自 xBCxRangers：

And that's the issue with these tech companies. They're a monopoly in many cases, and in others working outside the boundaries of the law, or until laws that may prevent them from doing so are established, and i'm confident they will be.

We were so close.

引用自 xBCxRangers：

In this country, there is bipartisan support, And to the extent they're too slow, states will do it themselves, and are.

Except when a state tried to regulate Facebook, guess what happened? A federal judge slapped it down. Hell, back in 2019 they slapped down a law similar to the Utah one(only in Texas instead) requiring a government ID to verify age to view pornographic content.

So it looks likes states tried and the federal government(which overrides the state) already has precedent of telling them "No."

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 Purple Heart：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

Those rights as a patient, are that of the Law. Walking into a storefront, there are no disclosures signed. I suppose they can, but i also suppose someone will walk out, and go someplace else.

And that's the issue with these tech companies. They're a monopoly in many cases, and in others working outside the boundaries of the law, or until laws that may prevent them from doing so are established, and i'm confident they will be.

In this country, there is bipartisan support, And to the extent they're too slow, states will do it themselves, and are.

Thats national laws, this is an international court problem as it effects a globe of users, unless your going to imply to me Ranger that all 3.5 million effected users are in your nation alone, you cant use national laws on a problem that covers several nations, this would go to international court

I'm sorry, what international court? Valve is located in the State of Washington. To the extent his business is located here, he had to be bound by our laws. In addition, being he sells and operates in other countries (as cited one, Australia) he had to abide by their courts.

However, we are still free as citizens to file with the Federal Trade Commissions, if we feel wronged, and i have. Anyone can there as well here in the states.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Purple Heart：

Thats national laws, this is an international court problem as it effects a globe of users, unless your going to imply to me Ranger that all 3.5 million effected users are in your nation alone, you cant use national laws on a problem that covers several nations, this would go to international court

I'm sorry, what international court? Valve is located in the State of Washington. To the extent his business is located here, he had to be bound by our laws. In addition, being he sells and operates in other countries (as cited one, Australia) he had to abide by their courts.

However, we are still free as citizens to file with the Federal Trade Commissions, if we feel wronged, and i have. Anyone can there as well here in the states.

The FTC already told you to keep your software up to date. So it looks like they agree with Valve.

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

Those rights as a patient, are that of the Law. Walking into a storefront, there are no disclosures signed. I suppose they can, but i also suppose someone will walk out, and go someplace else.

And that's the issue with these tech companies. They're a monopoly in many cases, and in others working outside the boundaries of the law, or until laws that may prevent them from doing so are established, and i'm confident they will be.

In this country, there is bipartisan support, And to the extent they're too slow, states will do it themselves, and are.

It's more than tech companies, any multibillion dollar company can be held to this.

I mean Nestle's CEO says clean drinking water isn't a human right. I don't see you boycotting hot pockets or Cheerios.

Oh well now you're onto other matters. There's that movement "No Oil" and grassroots movements like that. In fact i just played a video game i think goes to that (Under the Waves).

In any event however, the matter with Valve, like MS and others, are generally the courts, federal regulators and states that deal with them.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Purple Heart：

Thats national laws, this is an international court problem as it effects a globe of users, unless your going to imply to me Ranger that all 3.5 million effected users are in your nation alone, you cant use national laws on a problem that covers several nations, this would go to international court

I'm sorry, what international court? Valve is located in the State of Washington. To the extent his business is located here, he had to be bound by our laws. In addition, being he sells and operates in other countries (as cited one, Australia) he had to abide by their courts.

However, we are still free as citizens to file with the Federal Trade Commissions, if we feel wronged, and i have. Anyone can there as well here in the states.

International Court of Justice? Your aware that this would be a situation where its international, Europe has no power here, the International Court of the United Nations would take over as the investigators and judges, if this covers several sovereign nations of the UN (which it does) then it would be handed over to the court of international justice, your aware that they exist correct, like Valve would not be subject to several nations laws, the UN Court of Justice exists so international issues are solved by a single party, not several with conflicting laws.

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

I'm sorry, what international court? Valve is located in the State of Washington. To the extent his business is located here, he had to be bound by our laws. In addition, being he sells and operates in other countries (as cited one, Australia) he had to abide by their courts.

However, we are still free as citizens to file with the Federal Trade Commissions, if we feel wronged, and i have. Anyone can there as well here in the states.

The FTC already told you to keep your software up to date. So it looks like they agree with Valve.

Well then the FTC have to send us checks for the monies we lost doing as such. Like the FCC, had to send us coupons to upgrade in the Digital Conversion matter. So, bring that up to them if you file a complaint.

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 Purple Heart：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

I'm sorry, what international court? Valve is located in the State of Washington. To the extent his business is located here, he had to be bound by our laws. In addition, being he sells and operates in other countries (as cited one, Australia) he had to abide by their courts.

However, we are still free as citizens to file with the Federal Trade Commissions, if we feel wronged, and i have. Anyone can there as well here in the states.

International Court of Justice? Your aware that this would be a situation where its international, Europe has no power here, the International Court of the United Nations would take over as the investigators and judges, if this covers several sovereign nations of the UN (which it does) then it would be handed over to the court of international justice, your aware that they exist correct, like Valve would not be subject to several nations laws, the UN Court of Justice exists so international issues are solved by a single party, not several with conflicting laws.

We're not talking about bringing Mr Newell into an UN International Tribunal sir. Its a rather simple matter, federal, state and regulators in various countries deal with regularly.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 SlowMango：

The FTC already told you to keep your software up to date. So it looks like they agree with Valve.

Well then the FTC have to send us checks for the monies we lost doing as such. Like the FCC, had to send us coupons to upgrade in the Digital Conversion matter. So, bring that up to them if you file a complaint.

Two different regulators and situations.

This isn't the government forcing an upgrade on consumers due to regulation changes. Please read about the situation before comparing them.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 SlowMango：

The FTC already told you to keep your software up to date. So it looks like they agree with Valve.

Well then the FTC have to send us checks for the monies we lost doing as such. Like the FCC, had to send us coupons to upgrade in the Digital Conversion matter. So, bring that up to them if you file a complaint.

Except Valve and Steam has nothing to do with anything Federal. But nice try. Those converter boxes were given as part of a federal program. Again, nothing about Valve is federal. The federal government is not going to give you some sort of refund just because you can't be asked to upgrade your PC. lol

By all means go ahead and try to push this, I for one would like to see the response litter that they send you lol

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

Well then the FTC have to send us checks for the monies we lost doing as such. Like the FCC, had to send us coupons to upgrade in the Digital Conversion matter. So, bring that up to them if you file a complaint.

Two different regulators and situations.

That's right, and both work for the Federal Government. And so if you're saying the FTC is encouraging folks to upgrade, encourage your congressman to encourage them, to send checks for the monies we would lose doing what they tell us.

Here's the thing. Win 7 is not being taken away from us. That's what they'd tell us.

MS is not yanking, what we paid money for. We can use it. It may not be supported. I have games 40 years old not supported.

However, what Steam is doing, is locking us out of the games we purchased.

We did not purchase, Google. We did not purchase, You Tube. And to the extent Win 7 may not handle those apps, is not losing us money. This is.

What Valve should do, and may be prompted to do, is change the term "Purchase" to "Purchase Lease". Meaning, we lease the licenses, not own them for use. That would take much of the fang out of these cases, regulation, or possible thereof.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Purple Heart：

International Court of Justice? Your aware that this would be a situation where its international, Europe has no power here, the International Court of the United Nations would take over as the investigators and judges, if this covers several sovereign nations of the UN (which it does) then it would be handed over to the court of international justice, your aware that they exist correct, like Valve would not be subject to several nations laws, the UN Court of Justice exists so international issues are solved by a single party, not several with conflicting laws.

We're not talking about bringing Mr Newell into an UN International Tribunal sir. Its a rather simple matter, federal, state and regulators in various countries deal with regularly.

Which won't happen, ask yourself why you never see any other company brought to that level of insanity of law and the awnser is because it never has happened.

Also International Tribunal? I mean the OHCHR: https://www.ohchr.org/en/privacy-in-the-digital-age

And those who control the Privacy of the Digital Age, more directly: A/HRC/39/29

Further followed with: https://www.ohchr.org/en/calls-for-input/report-right-privacy-digital-age

You see the lawsuit against Steam and Australia took place in 2014, this privacy clause forces all states and parties on the international table to go through the UN as of 2018.

You really didnt think the UN was going to let several nations dunk on companies now did you? No, you see the digital policy covers even Steam and companies: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/DigitalAge/ReportPrivacyinDigitalAge/A_HRC_39_29_EN.pdf


As it now stands, Europe has no power here, the court of the UN does as of 2018.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 SlowMango：

Two different regulators and situations.

That's right, and both work for the Federal Government. And so if you're saying the FTC is encouraging folks to upgrade, encourage your congressman to encourage them, to send checks for the monies we would lose doing what they tell us.

Here's the thing. Win 7 is not being taken away from us. That's what they'd tell us.

MS is not yanking, what we paid money for. We can use it. It may not be supported. I have games 40 years old not supported.

However, what Steam is doing, is locking us out of the games we purchased.

We did not purchase, Google. We did not purchase, You Tube. And to the extent Win 7 may not handle those apps, is not losing us money. This is.

What Valve should do, and may be prompted to do, is change the term "Purchase" to "Purchase Lease". Meaning, we lease the licenses, not own them for use. That would take much of the fang out of these cases, regulation, or possible thereof.

Valve isn't taking away your games either.

What part of this is their platform do you not understand? They have every right to update their platform if they wish to.

How long are you going to sit here and continually ignore that you agreed to these terms? Whether you actually read them or even saw them or understood them. It is your job to understand these things and to read them.

[The Presence]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 SlowMango：

Two different regulators and situations.

That's right, and both work for the Federal Government. And so if you're saying the FTC is encouraging folks to upgrade, encourage your congressman to encourage them, to send checks for the monies we would lose doing what they tell us.

Here's the thing. Win 7 is not being taken away from us. That's what they'd tell us.

MS is not yanking, what we paid money for. We can use it. It may not be supported. I have games 40 years old not supported.

However, what Steam is doing, is locking us out of the games we purchased.

We did not purchase, Google. We did not purchase, You Tube. And to the extent Win 7 may not handle those apps, is not losing us money. This is.

What Valve should do, and may be prompted to do, is change the term "Purchase" to "Purchase Lease". Meaning, we lease the licenses, not own them for use. That would take much of the fang out of these cases, regulation, or possible thereof.

Why is it such a concern for you anyway? You've repeatedly said you're playing on your XBOX (but spending too much time here to make that believable) and your games are still here, in your library, waiting until you decide to update.

Odds are, you will.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

Actually all digital video game stores has you sign the agreement before, or during singing up to their service, and also even buying the the products where there be a disclaimer, or terms on the very page before finishing checking out.

"That's these tech industries', as i said, and read on.

That the thing the video game market has already been regulated for sales of games, hence what I'm saying. There will never be regulations agasint DROPPING OS's because it not an necessity as compare to food, shelter, utility, and transportation.

The ONLY way for regulations to step in is ONLY if digital store has disclaimer giving you a guaranteed LIFE time support with no mention of dropping guaranteed LIFE time support, which NO digital video game store ever promise, nor provides said LIFE time support. If anyone does that, then means they must do it for rest of their life for that customer as long they live, that means including shutting services, and such hence why no one brain dead willing to do this, even people that does regulations agress that is brain dead ridiculous to force anyone agasint their will which why you keep saying "regulation will do something" will not because it's not reasonable by any means. even publishers, and game devs will be agasint it full stop because means it to ensalve them agasint their will for LIFE time which why again like I said it's not happening, there no regulations agasint dropping OS's.