Steam class action lawsuit(s)

[TYRVNT]

I've never made a Steam post before. I never felt the need to, though I've been helped by the lovely people who post many times, so I thank you for that. Buuuuut also, that's part of why I love Steam...

And that brings me to today's rant which I randomly feel the need to write after seeing a YouTube ad encouraging me to join a class-action lawsuit against Steam. It's not the first I've seen, but it's the first one that made me stop and say, "Wait, WHAT?"

Of course, I understand how the world works. For the most part, it's probably just some people trying to make a quick buck, and to profit from our flawed legal system. I admit, I didn't even bother to investigate it further as I simply don't care. However, one thought just occurred to me after seeing it, which is:

"Steam is far from perfect. Valve has much they can improve on, and I hope they do. However, that being said, in today's world, I struggle to think of another company, not just in the gaming industry but in general, that does as much to be genuinely pro-consumer as Steam does."

I had not stopped to consider it before seeing the ad for the class-action lawsuit, but ironically, it made me realize that Valve is one of the most pro-consumer companies I've ever encountered or dealt with. And so, any "monopoly" they may have over the gaming market is not due to nefarious practices or backroom deals (though, of course, it's possible that's a part of it behind the scenes), but because it's just THAT MUCH BETTER than any alternative out there.

Huge shout out to GoG & GoG Galaxy, I love what they stand for and how they operate, I'm glad they exist and encourage people to check them out. But... again, they're no Steam. And every other launcher I can think of, I honestly put on the same level as bloatware in my mind at this point. xD


So i guess TL;DR:
Today i found it super ironic that in a world of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, evil companies, I got an ad to join a class action lawsuit against one of the ONLY ones that seems to actually care about me as a user, Steam 🤣

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

They neither have a monopoly nor do thay have monopoly like powers. They are simply a popular store and if a puiblisher doesn't like the rates or policies thay can go solo or go elsewhere. Steam users aren't ion some walled off garden after all

Well, it seems we are in a walled off garden. If we users are forced to have to buy new computers to continue to play games we already purchased years ago, all because we "signed a TOS" saying as such, i cant even imagine individual developers who sign contracts with such.

Developers aren't forced to make games for a certain OS. They will generally gravitate to the ones that have the most support and tools to make games.

If someone wanted to, they could release a game on Steam that only supports Linux and Valve wouldn't for them to change it.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Well, it seems we are in a walled off garden. If we users are forced to have to buy new computers to continue to play games we already purchased years ago, all because we "signed a TOS" saying as such, i cant even imagine individual developers who sign contracts with such.

Developers aren't forced to make games for a certain OS. They will generally gravitate to the ones that have the most support and tools to make games.

If someone wanted to, they could release a game on Steam that only supports Linux and Valve wouldn't for them to change it.

MINIMUM:
OS:Windows 7 SP1 (64bit)

That's Arma 3 in the store. Why isn't Valve putting at least in bold letters, that the game (and likely thousands of others) are not gonna be supported in a few months in that section of the specifications?

I mean it seems to me, and i cited others on other threads, Steam is pushing the boundaries, on many issues. And so, the fact Valve is again being sued, is yet again, no surprise.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

Developers aren't forced to make games for a certain OS. They will generally gravitate to the ones that have the most support and tools to make games.

If someone wanted to, they could release a game on Steam that only supports Linux and Valve wouldn't for them to change it.

MINIMUM:
OS:Windows 7 SP1 (64bit)

That's Arma 3 in the store. Why isn't Valve putting at least in bold letters, that the game (and likely thousands of others) are not gonna be supported in a few months in that section of the specifications?

I mean it seems to me, and i cited others on other threads, Steam is pushing the boundaries, on many issues. And so, the fact Valve is again being sued, is yet again, no surprise.

Because most games that require Win7, run just fine on Win10 and higher. And only less than 2% of users on Steam are still on Win7?

[xBCxRangers]

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

MINIMUM:
OS:Windows 7 SP1 (64bit)

That's Arma 3 in the store. Why isn't Valve putting at least in bold letters, that the game (and likely thousands of others) are not gonna be supported in a few months in that section of the specifications?

I mean it seems to me, and i cited others on other threads, Steam is pushing the boundaries, on many issues. And so, the fact Valve is again being sued, is yet again, no surprise.

Because most games that require Win7, run just fine on Win10 and higher. And only less than 2% of users on Steam are still on Win7?

So, take the Win 7 out the specification, being it's not going to be supported. That wouldn't be a legal issue necessarily (key word) btw, just basic common sense and common courtesy on behalf of Valve.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

Because most games that require Win7, run just fine on Win10 and higher. And only less than 2% of users on Steam are still on Win7?

So, take the Win 7 out the specification, being it's not going to be supported. That wouldn't be a legal issue necessarily (key word) btw, just basic common sense and common courtesy on behalf of Valve.

So taking OS specifications out benefits who exactly?

[xBCxRangers]

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

So, take the Win 7 out the specification, being it's not going to be supported. That wouldn't be a legal issue necessarily (key word) btw, just basic common sense and common courtesy on behalf of Valve.

So taking OS specifications out benefits who exactly?

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

So taking OS specifications out benefits who exactly?

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

Let's play a numbers game. What's the chance a Win7 user is buying the game?

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

Developers aren't forced to make games for a certain OS. They will generally gravitate to the ones that have the most support and tools to make games.

If someone wanted to, they could release a game on Steam that only supports Linux and Valve wouldn't for them to change it.

MINIMUM:
OS:Windows 7 SP1 (64bit)

That's Arma 3 in the store. Why isn't Valve putting at least in bold letters, that the game (and likely thousands of others) are not gonna be supported in a few months in that section of the specifications?

I mean it seems to me, and i cited others on other threads, Steam is pushing the boundaries, on many issues. And so, the fact Valve is again being sued, is yet again, no surprise.

Win7 games can be played on Win10 so it will still be supported. They also do have a giant banner, it's right at the top of your client. It even has a countdown.

What they are being sued for has no bearing on dropping Win7 as you've been told multiple times.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

So taking OS specifications out benefits who exactly?

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

I'm not sure I understand these steps. Could you record screenshots or a short video demonstrating what you mean?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

So taking OS specifications out benefits who exactly?

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

The games requirements never changed, the requirements to run Steam, did. How in the world are you still not understanding this after all this time?

[xBCxRangers]

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

Let's play a numbers game. What's the chance a Win7 user is buying the game?

Well, accordingst to world stats, 3.6% of users still use Win 7. Thats tens of millions of people. Many businesses, home use, and here. Valve may have their own stats, but to say they're doing much better than the whole of the wold, is a stretch.

Conservatively speaking, we can have 2 million or more users here, having access to buy games that will not be supported in just a few months. And so, a small token, would be to, maybe, take the Win 7 specs, out the store, months ago.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

They neither have a monopoly nor do thay have monopoly like powers. They are simply a popular store and if a puiblisher doesn't like the rates or policies thay can go solo or go elsewhere. Steam users aren't ion some walled off garden after all

Well, it seems we are in a walled off garden. If we users are forced to have to buy new computers to continue to play games we already purchased years ago, all because we "signed a TOS" saying as such, i cant even imagine individual developers who sign contracts with such.

So basically every store is a " walled off garden" is what you're saying.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

Let's play a numbers game. What's the chance a Win7 user is buying the game?

Well, accordingst to world stats, 3.6% of users still use Win 7. Thats tens of millions of people. Many businesses, home use, and here. Valve may have their own stats, but to say they're doing much better than the whole of the wold, is a stretch.

Conservatively speaking, we can have 2 million or more users here, having access to buy games that will not be supported in just a few months. And so, a small token, would be to, maybe, take the Win 7 specs, out the store, months ago.

And that number dips down further to STEAM users, at less than 2%, with 200million total steam accounts that estimates less than 4mil. In the time people spend complaining, they could be doing online surveys/click work to make money to upgrade their rigs to run Win10.

[Boblin the Goblin]

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

The person looking to buy the game, not getting snookered or any reasonable reason they can. There may be people, who may see the banner atop, but figure, well, that's Steam, not my game. My game supports Win 7 per the specs, and so, i just click on the shortcut, and my game will play. Nope.

The games requirements never changed, the requirements to run Steam, did. How in the world are you still not understanding this after all this time?

On purpose.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

Let's play a numbers game. What's the chance a Win7 user is buying the game?

Well, accordingst to world stats, 3.6% of users still use Win 7. Thats tens of millions of people. Many businesses, home use, and here. Valve may have their own stats, but to say they're doing much better than the whole of the wold, is a stretch.

Conservatively speaking, we can have 2 million or more users here, having access to buy games that will not be supported in just a few months. And so, a small token, would be to, maybe, take the Win 7 specs, out the store, months ago.

3.6% out of 100%? Thats not going to change Valves mind, this is like telling Microsoft the same thing save in their case they just wont admit that Xbox One is just Windows 8 on Hyper-V and using Net 10.0.00, If Microsoft does not care for the millions of more people they have then I highly doubt Valve will for the small portion they have of that number