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TYRVNT 2023 年 5 月 26 日上午 5:24

Steam class action lawsuit(s)

I've never made a Steam post before. I never felt the need to, though I've been helped by the lovely people who post many times, so I thank you for that. Buuuuut also, that's part of why I love Steam...

And that brings me to today's rant which I randomly feel the need to write after seeing a YouTube ad encouraging me to join a class-action lawsuit against Steam. It's not the first I've seen, but it's the first one that made me stop and say, "Wait, WHAT?"

Of course, I understand how the world works. For the most part, it's probably just some people trying to make a quick buck, and to profit from our flawed legal system. I admit, I didn't even bother to investigate it further as I simply don't care. However, one thought just occurred to me after seeing it, which is:

"Steam is far from perfect. Valve has much they can improve on, and I hope they do. However, that being said, in today's world, I struggle to think of another company, not just in the gaming industry but in general, that does as much to be genuinely pro-consumer as Steam does."

I had not stopped to consider it before seeing the ad for the class-action lawsuit, but ironically, it made me realize that Valve is one of the most pro-consumer companies I've ever encountered or dealt with. And so, any "monopoly" they may have over the gaming market is not due to nefarious practices or backroom deals (though, of course, it's possible that's a part of it behind the scenes), but because it's just THAT MUCH BETTER than any alternative out there.

Huge shout out to GoG & GoG Galaxy, I love what they stand for and how they operate, I'm glad they exist and encourage people to check them out. But... again, they're no Steam. And every other launcher I can think of, I honestly put on the same level as bloatware in my mind at this point. xD

So i guess TL;DR:
Today i found it super ironic that in a world of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, evil companies, I got an ad to join a class action lawsuit against one of the ONLY ones that seems to actually care about me as a user, Steam 🤣

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bidulless 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:08

引用自 brian9824：
引用自 D. Flame：
It has nothing to do with offered value, and everything to do with Steams monopoly.

It's not a monpoly when you have the most users because you provide the best service.....

Microsoft
GoG
EPIC
Battle.net
Ubisoft
etc

There are more options now for PC gaming then there have ever been for the last 30+ years

hello

Yes agree steam is great plateform for people who like games nontheless , valve have surelly a high part of it revenue going to some form of advert and it can explain, for one part, the reason of it success.

Just type any games in any browser search engine, and i am nearly sur that in first position of the search result : you will find steam, even if other plateforms are also selling the same game.
May be not the only reason of it success, but surelly not a disadvantage over the concurrence as people tend to simply use the first result...

After all we are just some lazy human by nature no ?

最後修改者：bidulless; 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:12

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D. Flame 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:27

Y'all still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly

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Brian9824 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:32

引用自 D. Flame：
Y'all still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly

Your reading a synopsis, not a detailed breakdown of what is or isn't a monopoly. here you go straight from the FTC

https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined

One of the key aspects of it is

Obtaining a monopoly by superior products, innovation, or business acumen is legal;

Monopolies in of itself aren't illegal. To be illegal there are numerous factors that have to be met. So again, technically you could all steam a LEGAL monopoly because they have a superior product people want more then anyone else's product.

Windows also has a monopoly with Operating Systems having around 75% market share, but that in of itself isn't illegal

最後修改者：Brian9824; 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:33

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Slav Mcgopnik 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:33

引用自 D. Flame：
Y'all still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly

I don’t see what makes Valve a monopoly by that definition.

It’s not like steam locks the GOG client or prevents publishers from selling on other stores, it just has the biggest market share of the pack right now.

If you can point out to me how Valve is cutting off access to competitors or massively buying them out, feel free to do so. if anything, epic is the one trying to form a monopoly given their exclusives and similar deals, something steam has not ever done.

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Mad Scientist 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:39

引用自 D. Flame：
Y'all still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly

Even by their belief of the word monopoly against the definitions already listed, they're still not a monopoly. Again, we've had this discussion numerous times, you keep circling back to it. It's been disproven and even the Feds would side with Steam is not a monopoly as their ruling. If they were, there's a very large chance the Feds would've broken the company up ages ago like they've done to other companies.

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Brian9824 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:42

引用自 Mad Scientist：
引用自 D. Flame：
Y'all still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly
Even by their belief of the word monopoly against the definitions already listed, they're still not a monopoly. Again, we've had this discussion numerous times, you keep circling back to it. It's been disproven and even the Feds would side with Steam is not a monopoly as their ruling. If they were, there's a very large chance the Feds would've broken the company up ages ago like they've done to other companies.

Well to be fair they CAN be a legal monopoly, the overwhelming majority of discussion about monopolies is in he illegal sense, and most people aren't aware there are indeed legal monopolies that break no rules.

So if D. Flame is saying they can be considered a LEGAL monopoly he would be correct.

最後修改者：Brian9824; 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:42

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Mad Scientist 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 12:54

引用自 brian9824：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
Even by their belief of the word monopoly against the definitions already listed, they're still not a monopoly. Again, we've had this discussion numerous times, you keep circling back to it. It's been disproven and even the Feds would side with Steam is not a monopoly as their ruling. If they were, there's a very large chance the Feds would've broken the company up ages ago like they've done to other companies.

Well to be fair they CAN be a legal monopoly, the overwhelming majority of discussion about monopolies is in he illegal sense, and most people aren't aware there are indeed legal monopolies that break no rules.

So if D. Flame is saying they can be considered a LEGAL monopoly he would be correct.

We know this isn't about legal sense just so much as declaring it for the sake of declaring it. Even then, they are not as big of a market share as people think for total Digital Sales & Distribution, and popularity among users that often use other services being more favorable towards Steam just displays people like it more & find it more convenient. Given the previous replies, it does not seem to be addressed in good faith.

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D. Flame 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 1:40

引用自 brian9824：
snip

You're confusing anti-trust cases with monopolies.

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Brian9824 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 1:56

引用自 D. Flame：
引用自 brian9824：
snip
You're confusing anti-trust cases with monopolies.

Your not reading the article a monopoly is part of anti trust laws afterall. Its literally the first sentence.

https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined

Monopolization Defined

Can't get much clearer then that.... Again if your claiming steam is a LEGAL monopoly its technically correct, if your claiming steam is a illegal monopoly you are wrong and i'll paste the appropriate section again since you deleted it because it blows your claim out of the water

Obtaining a monopoly by superior products, innovation, or business acumen is legal

最後修改者：Brian9824; 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 1:58

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D. Flame 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 2:19

引用自 brian9824：
引用自 D. Flame：
You're confusing anti-trust cases with monopolies.

Your not reading the article a monopoly is part of anti trust laws afterall. Its literally the first sentence.

https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined

Monopolization Defined

Can't get much clearer then that....

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The very first line of the actual body of text:

"The antitrust laws prohibit ..."

Like I said, you are confusing anti-trust and monopoly.

引用自 brian9824：
if your claiming steam is a illegal monopoly you are wrong and i'll paste the appropriate section again since you deleted it because it blows your claim out of the water

Are you really trying to strawman and add in words I never once mentioned? LOL, this should be proof enough that you are the one in the wrong here.

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Brian9824 2023 年 8 月 3 日下午 3:01

引用自 D. Flame：
snip

Yes, the laws against a monopoly are part of the anti trust laws. Not sure what your trying to argue, its like saying someone is discussing criminal law instead of murder...

The rules regarding monopolies are governed by the anti trust laws - so if you think you know better then the FTC thats your right, however in reality your still wrong. To be illegal it requires far more then just having a large market share, a business has to take actual steps to interfere with other businesses.

Hence why the FTC isn't filing any motions against steam, isn't investigating them etc because they have no issue with them. To be perfectly frank the FTC knows a bit more about the laws regarding monopolies then you do....

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