Secret176 25/mai./2023 às 1:18
Why are you censoring war thunder bad reviews
they are not irrelevant, they are facts war thunder is a super p2w game and the devs don't care at all about the new players, they made the grind in the last 3 years 200% harder, so don't put 100k bad reviews as irrelevant they are facts
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iainduncan3 25/mai./2023 às 22:34 
Escrito originalmente por ShelLuser:
Escrito originalmente por Secret176:
they are not irrelevant, they are facts war thunder is a super p2w game and the devs don't care at all about the new players
What are you going on about? If you check the game hub then you'll see that most players consider this a bad game. It's rated as "Mostly negative", but for recent reviews (19 thousand).

If you look below that you'll see "Mostly positive" for the past 386 thousand reviews.

Ergo: the system still works as far as I can tell.
do you even play the game? do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Escrito originalmente por Based Department:
Escrito originalmente por ShelLuser:
What are you going on about? If you check the game hub then you'll see that most players consider this a bad game. It's rated as "Mostly negative", but for recent reviews (19 thousand).

If you look below that you'll see "Mostly positive" for the past 386 thousand reviews.

Ergo: the system still works as far as I can tell.
do you even play the game? do you have any idea what you are talking about?

What a weird question. He pointed out the reviews, which ARE Mostly Negative (look it up yourself, ffs he even gave you a DIRECT LINK THERE), how does him playing the game make any difference in whether other people review the game badly?
Tito Shivan 25/mai./2023 às 23:19 
Escrito originalmente por Based Department:
do you even play the game? do you have any idea what you are talking about?
He's talking that despite OP's claim about the bad reviews being 'censored' the game does still show its actual really bad rating.

So, the review system is working good, displaying and accounting player's opinions, contrary to what OP claimed.
Druark 31/mai./2023 às 8:06 
Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Escrito originalmente por Based Department:
do you even play the game? do you have any idea what you are talking about?
He's talking that despite OP's claim about the bad reviews being 'censored' the game does still show its actual really bad rating.

So, the review system is working good, displaying and accounting player's opinions, contrary to what OP claimed.
Hate to tell you this, but that isn't how the Off-topic automated system steam has works. It doesn't dynamically mark some people are on-topic and leave their reviews alone. It just blanket marks (and hides) EVERYTHING for the off-topic period. There is no discrimination between what might be on or off-topic within that period.

The reason the review score is negative, is because the original 2 days of the negative reviews are still counted as they weren't drastically more reviews than the average, it's only everything after that which is being ignored in the score.
Johnny Stokino 31/mai./2023 às 11:46 
They're only excluded by default. It's pretty easy to change your preferences to (Include reviews from all Steam purchases in Review Scores) which changes the overall recent reviews from (mostly negative) to (overwhelmingly negative).

I guess there is room to debate what is off topic.

It's always an issue with paid games that have a free tier whether it's fully playable for free only at first, or permanently. There's usually a happy compromise, where the free players can still do everything but with more work.

Really if they made things so bad for the free players, eventually the game would die since the paid players wouldn't have enough weaker players to bully! lol
Última edição por Johnny Stokino; 31/mai./2023 às 11:46
Mania 2/jun./2023 às 8:50 
Those defending Steam don't understand how bad the issue is in War Thunder.

I've played the game since tanks just came out (which is ancient history) and the economy issue is arguably one of the worst issues in a game in gaming history. The sheer ignorance Gaijin displayed and lack of action to solve the issue when content creators and the playerbase alike are all unified under that fact was shocking. The new Major Update announced even worse economy changes which produced a very valid response in the form of "review bombing."

First, I want to get this straight. "Review Bombing" is a term used to discredit what's actually going on. A large amount of the playerbase is pissed. It's that simple. The fact they all decided to organize and express their discontent is not "off topic" and does not deserve censure.
Every single negative review (obviously not every single one but you get the point) stems from an issue the player experienced in the game that did not make it enjoyable.

Second, reviews that are short are still valid, whether they are positive or negative. Making a review is not an impulsive decision like buying something you don't really need to. You must experience the product, have something happen that triggers the response to write a review, and then actually write the review. Even if a review says "Game is good" or "[meme about the game]" it is still a valid review. It's not our burden to give five paragraph essays whenever we want to review a game.
Brian9824 2/jun./2023 às 8:59 
Looks at reviews, sees mostly negative, looks like reviews are working just fine.
davidb11 3/jun./2023 às 11:16 
Review bombs are never valid, anyone who thinks they are clearly doesn't know anything about the word BOMB.

Sigh.

Is the game hot garbage with P2W crap? Yeah.
No one is debating that.
Ooof.
No reviews are being censored.

Off Topic Reviews don't literally blanket eat a massive swash of reviews, not even close to how it works.

I've played worse P2W crap than War Thunder, and well, there's always Raid: Shadow Legends. :P
Mania 3/jun./2023 às 11:51 
Escrito originalmente por davidb11:
Review bombs are never valid, anyone who thinks they are clearly doesn't know anything about the word BOMB.

Sigh.

Is the game hot garbage with P2W crap? Yeah.
No one is debating that.
Ooof.
No reviews are being censored.

Off Topic Reviews don't literally blanket eat a massive swash of reviews, not even close to how it works.

I've played worse P2W crap than War Thunder, and well, there's always Raid: Shadow Legends. :P
The only time the term "review bomb" is applicable is if bots or automated systems are in use to harm a company for reasons that go beyond the game.

A large amount of players voicing discontent is perfectly valid.
davidb11 3/jun./2023 às 12:01 
Yeah, and that makes sense. That this issue isn't a Review Bomb.
Although, to be fair, humans can cause a review bomb since bots and automated systems are very notable still.
Última edição por davidb11; 3/jun./2023 às 12:02
Tito Shivan 4/jun./2023 às 2:33 
Maybe showing discomfort about the game spamming "#SaltTheSnail" in reviews wasn't the brightest of ideas.
pierre 4/jun./2023 às 3:11 
whats more crazey is the vast majority of people putting negative reviews are all in the relm of 2000 hours to 7000 hours its not review bombing if the hole hole playerbase is annoyed with gaijin gaslighing the hole player base that ( oooo its your best interests to lose just enought silver every match even if you play really well at top tier and bankrupt you so you have to play low br and that your all just over reacting and thats just how the game works) explain to me how losing between 5 to 25k worth of silver because the repair costs got bumped up so much you cant afford it most people dont have 2 million silver just lying around to spend
Ducks on Fire 4/jun./2023 às 3:25 
Escrito originalmente por Secret176:
yeah tricking people into getting in a bad game that will ruin their wallet, imagine being ok with what is going on
It's a F2P game. People can play the game for free and then decide whether they want to spend money or not. I'm tired of people acting like it's not their own responsibility to make their own choices. If you play a F2P game and feel its p2w but still want to play then it's your own decision to pay money. If you are "ruining" your wallet on F2P games that is an issue with you.

Seriously I can't get my head around people not understanding the idea of not paying money for things they don't like. Especially when you are given ample opportunity to try out the thing for free. If it's p2w and you don't like that then just stop playing. If you decide to keep playing and spend money then you weren't tricked. You simply made a choice. Otherwise you are saying that if I hand out free ice cream cones and then say you have to pay for another one then I tricked you.
Odra 4/jun./2023 às 3:58 
I was just posting on the other thread because I actually enjoy the civility of that discussion in comparison to other threads which are just... bleh..

In any case, this validity that keeps being brought up, I did point out the objectiveness of it.

It's similar to opinions and how everyone is entitled to them.

Lets take me for example, lets say I have a review where I claim that 30fps is perfectly acceptable for gaming (fite me!), now this is perfectly valid, insofar as it being my opinion, but I am sure there would be a LOT of users who would let me know exactly how much my opinion is worth.

Just because people are entitled to have their own opinions doesn't mean the are worth anything., that is unless they have a large backing of other users sharing that same opinion.

So if something happens and a lot of people grow dissatisfied enough with a product they will become very vocal about it.

So then we get a huge surge of reviews.

Now the system that Valve kicks in, it sees a sudden surge of reviews and they are almost all negative. Now while this does not mean it is a review bomb it does lean heavily in that direction, so as a precaution it gets classified as a suspicious surge and is likely to remain that way.

Now, what if an actual Valve employee were to come in and decide whether or not to disable the system in this instance? How would they make a judgement? They would likely have to wade through all those reviews and would be met with joke reviews and rage posts along with the more articulate and well though out reviews critical of the situation.

So if one reads two reviews, one explaining why they are dissatisfied while the other basically rolls around screaming their head off, any who reads both recognizes that the reviewers are upset (maaybe rightfully so), but ones argument clearly has more weight than the other.

As things are now, the review system can efficiently convey the situation to the customers, so all previously discussed points taken into consideration, what is the problem?
Última edição por Odra; 4/jun./2023 às 4:01
UrbanMech 4/jun./2023 às 6:17 
Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Maybe showing discomfort about the game spamming "#SaltTheSnail" in reviews wasn't the brightest of ideas.

Sure but some people aren't really willing to type why they don't recommend and typing a description is mandatory. So with that we should also discredit reviews where people put 0 effort in or unrelated.
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