Nicodemous52 2023 年 6 月 6 日 上午 4:35
Why would a link to Odysee be considered "dangerous"?
I see people link to videos and written reviews all the time in their reviews on Steam. But I link to my full written review posted on Odysee (yes, you can upload articles as well as videos there) and Steam decides my review is potentially dangerous and must be hidden.

What's the agenda, Steam? Why are we suppressing alt tech? If that's not the reason, then please go on and explain it to me, because it makes no sense unless you are being shills for Google and the rest of the censorious jerks in the valley.
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Boblin the Goblin 2024 年 6 月 22 日 下午 2:41 
引用自 Doctor Zalgo
引用自 SlowMango


What does that have to do with Steam removing links to Odysee?




Based on that list, they shouldn't allow YouTube links either.

YouTube has a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of passive and active content moderation.
Not as active as you think.
Nicodemous52 2024 年 6 月 22 日 下午 2:57 
引用自 Doctor Zalgo
引用自 Nicodemous52
Words on a screen are dangerous in your mind?

No more or less dangerous than spoken words. Which can be used to convince someone to fly a plane into a building.

So yeah.
So, how are the words dangerous? If they are, what are the magic words to ensure that danger ensues from them?

I've read some pretty horrific stuff, I've never commit an atrocity in my life. Am I a genetic freak of nature, or is there more to it than just the words? Almost like the words, are just... words. And, you act like that's the bulk of their content. It's there, but you have to really look for it. It's not front and center. But even if it was.
最後修改者:Nicodemous52; 2024 年 6 月 22 日 下午 3:01
DuplexEagle 2024 年 6 月 22 日 下午 10:26 
引用自 John
This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.
Is that to say that Odysee links are allowed now? I'm just trying to think of what confusion this thread would place on people. Also, if this comment goes through; whole up! I thought this thread was locked.
Crashed 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 8:31 
引用自 DuplexEagle
引用自 John
This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.
Is that to say that Odysee links are allowed now? I'm just trying to think of what confusion this thread would place on people. Also, if this comment goes through; whole up! I thought this thread was locked.
Likely the moderator forgot to lock the thread, but it would appear Odysee is trying to strongarm Valve into allowing links which in itself should be grounds for blocking them.

Note that being a blockchain based service could bring its own set of trouble as nothing can he truly deleted from the blockchain without destroying it entirely or rolling it back to before the infringing or illegal content was added, losing everything added since.
最後修改者:Crashed; 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 8:34
Nicodemous52 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 9:22 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 DuplexEagle
Is that to say that Odysee links are allowed now? I'm just trying to think of what confusion this thread would place on people. Also, if this comment goes through; whole up! I thought this thread was locked.
Likely the moderator forgot to lock the thread, but it would appear Odysee is trying to strongarm Valve into allowing links which in itself should be grounds for blocking them.

Note that being a blockchain based service could bring its own set of trouble as nothing can he truly deleted from the blockchain without destroying it entirely or rolling it back to before the infringing or illegal content was added, losing everything added since.
What are you even talking about? You've lost the plot.
Anonymous Helper 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 10:05 
引用自 John
This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.

I think you forgot to actually lock the thread when you stated that. :lunar2020playfuldog:
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Nicodemous52 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 10:51 
引用自 Anonymous Helper
引用自 John
This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.

I think you forgot to actually lock the thread when you stated that. :lunar2020playfuldog:
They are selling games on here you literally can't play because they shut the severs down, Bravery Network Online, But yeah, let's all worry about some random necro'ed thread...
Crashed 2024 年 6 月 23 日 上午 10:58 
引用自 Nicodemous52
引用自 Anonymous Helper

I think you forgot to actually lock the thread when you stated that. :lunar2020playfuldog:
They are selling games on here you literally can't play because they shut the severs down, Bravery Network Online, But yeah, let's all worry about some random necro'ed thread...
The "Odd Sea" telling you to troll here by any chance?
Nicodemous52 2024 年 6 月 23 日 下午 12:19 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 Nicodemous52
They are selling games on here you literally can't play because they shut the severs down, Bravery Network Online, But yeah, let's all worry about some random necro'ed thread...
The "Odd Sea" telling you to troll here by any chance?
I 'm not the one that necro'ed it, it's not my troll.
DuplexEagle 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 7:38 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 DuplexEagle
Is that to say that Odysee links are allowed now? I'm just trying to think of what confusion this thread would place on people. Also, if this comment goes through; whole up! I thought this thread was locked.
Likely the moderator forgot to lock the thread, but it would appear Odysee is trying to strongarm Valve into allowing links which in itself should be grounds for blocking them.

Note that being a blockchain based service could bring its own set of trouble as nothing can he truly deleted from the blockchain without destroying it entirely or rolling it back to before the infringing or illegal content was added, losing everything added since.

Stuff on Odysee can be removed though, and it does. I'm not sure why no one's mentioned this in the thread yet, people don't seem to really know how Odysee actually works. Odysee is a company and as such is required to follow law; they cannot simply make the content visible on Odysee unremovable. Odysee is a front-end for the LBRY Protocol. The content stored on the blockchain does not go away, thus making it not entirely censorable, however the content can and does get taken down from the Odysee website. This is because Odysee has strict rules laid out in their community guidelines https://help.odysee.tv/communityguidelines/

To put it simply: Odysee is censorable; the LBRY network is not. If a video is removed from Odysee, it cannot be removed on the LBRY network; you need to go to extra measures completely outside of the realm of the Odysee website in order to actually see that removed content.

My point is, while I don't know if Steam is still censoring Odysee dot com links; Steam, unless they themselves don't understand how Odysee really works, shouldn't be censoring it. The whole Odysee platform has moderators who remove illegal content and anything that breaks the Community Guidelines and all content is reportable. I've reported content myself and it was removed quite quickly. The interesting thing is, I saw the exact same video on YouTube not long before and it never got removed from YouTube, at least not at the time.

So, the fact that Odysee is being actively moderated and illegal content is being removed, makes the argument that SlowMango gave you last year, that "Based on that list, they shouldn't allow YouTube links either." entirely valid, because, if someone shares a link to an Odysee video or article that contains something explicit or hate-encouraging, then just like YouTube, that video will be removed by a moderator and the link on Steam will no longer lead people to that video: it will just lead them to a page that tells them that "This content no longer exists". I've seen it happen myself with a piracy channel which was entirely taken down from Odysee. In OP's case, all they were doing was linking to their own reviews in the form of an article on Odysee. If YouTube had the same article feature as Odysee has, and people were linking to it in their Steam reviews just as OP was doing here, it would functionally have just as much danger of leading people to illegal content as Odysee has; both platforms are functionally identical in this way. Either allow both platforms on Steam, or ban both.
最後修改者:DuplexEagle; 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 7:40
Crashed 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 8:01 
引用自 DuplexEagle
(wall of text)
Except that Odysee deliberately allows a lot of abusive content that YouTube takes down when notified.
Nicodemous52 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 8:06 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 DuplexEagle
(wall of text)
Except that Odysee deliberately allows a lot of abusive content that YouTube takes down when notified.
Wall of tex = I have the attention span of a five year old, but think my opinions should still be taken seriously
Boblin the Goblin 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 8:29 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 DuplexEagle
(wall of text)
Except that Odysee deliberately allows a lot of abusive content that YouTube takes down when notified.
You should read that 'wall of text'.

Content being against YouTube's ToS =/= content that is illegal/dangerous/hateful/etc.

YouTube has literally removed videos calling out their allowance on gambling ads on kids videos by stating it was encouraging gambling. Despite the creators explicitly saying in the video they do not endorse or encourage gambling.

They've removed videos showcasing(as in calling them out for being fraudulent) scam videos that are only created to get kids to enter personal information into surveys to get "1000 Vbucks for Free".
最後修改者:Boblin the Goblin; 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 8:31
DuplexEagle 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 10:01 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 DuplexEagle
(wall of text)
Except that Odysee deliberately allows a lot of abusive content that YouTube takes down when notified.
Maybe that's because YouTube deliberately removes videos that don't break their community guidelines to fit their own agendas, when Odysee doesn't. They keep video's up that YouTube doesn't, because they aren't taking stuff down for not aligning with their views or hindering their platforms profit when it doesn't even break any guidelines nor is abusive in any way. Because they don't have a monopoly that allows them to abuse that power in the first place.

Nearly half that "wall of text" is taken up by your own comment. If you don't have the attention-span or desire to read and understand my comment that takes only 3.4 minutes to read, your responses to it hold no weight and are valueless.
最後修改者:DuplexEagle; 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 10:05
Boblin the Goblin 2024 年 6 月 24 日 上午 10:13 
引用自 DuplexEagle
引用自 Crashed
Except that Odysee deliberately allows a lot of abusive content that YouTube takes down when notified.
Maybe that's because YouTube deliberately removes videos that don't break their community guidelines to fit their own agendas, when Odysee doesn't. They keep video's up that YouTube doesn't, because they aren't taking stuff down for not aligning with their views or hindering their platforms profit when it doesn't even break any guidelines nor is abusive in any way. Because they don't have a monopoly that allows them to abuse that power in the first place.

Nearly half that "wall of text" is taken up by your own comment. If you don't have the attention-span or desire to read and understand my comment that takes only 3.4 minutes to read, your responses to it hold no weight and are valueless.
It's weird to see people treat YouTube's moderation actions as some moral compass.

Remember, it took YouTube being pressured by their advertisers before they cracked down on the Elsagate content.
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