Steam is not supporting windows 7 anymore form January 2024

[Azraeil]

Why steam is doing this? Aren't there enough players running on windows 7? I myself have windows 10 but a lot of my friends still use windows 7 and the will be blocked of their games after this update comes.

[Lixire]

Postat inițial de andchaos:

Postat inițial de AmsterdamHeavy:

Your anti-virus software is mostly meaningless with a list of open CVEs longer than my arm.

Then define what CVE is and how it is related to a virus

Postat inițial de AmsterdamHeavy:

Its like saying "my house is secure, I have locks on my doors and that big hole in the wall where a truck went through isnt an issue"

In this case the anti-virus software would be your automatic turret with a mashingun that shoots at any treat that comes trou that hole in :P

Sorry, but It seems you have no idea what a "virus" is at all,
or maybe you know and intentionaly refuse to anser the simple question, as you know it would make you argument useless :D

Postat inițial de AmsterdamHeavy:

You are terribly uneducated on this topic.

Nope, it seems you just a manipulative, you dont care about the truth, you just repeatin your agenda and refusing to comunicate, you did not respond to my questions at all, you playing around comunicating and continue dictating your agenda, what is lame...

you giving missinformation on the nature of what a secure system is, or even what a virus is and what are the security mesuments againt viruses. so there is no further comunication needet, as the interaction with you is less interesting than talking to a chat bot.

CVE is just a listing of an exploit. it can be resolved or open
How is it related to virus and malware? I can use different exploits that are available to bypass different security features or abuse certain functions to spread malware towards other devices within the same network

For example, CVE-2017-0199 details an exploit within the SMBv1 protocol that exists within Windows that allows me to bypass all of the mitigations available and send malicious packages that can include whatever my heart desires with full control and execute them.
Similarly to what WannaCry and Petya did back then for example.

[NakiBest]

@andchaos -->

Wrong/flawed argument, sorry.

Please note Windows 10 and Windows 11 have a good, free built-in antivirus by default. :)

By many tests in recent 2-3 years it is ranking in top 2 or even top 1 ( :-) ), including compared with paid antiviruses, which it is not. :)

[Wolfstorm]

Postat inițial de Thermal Lance:

Are we really going with the "my unsupported OS is secure" nonsense again?

Yes.

[Lixire]

Postat inițial de andchaos:

Postat inițial de ★Sinon★ <3:

Windows 8 and newer ship with Windows Defender built in which these days is actually quite good anti virus and also used within the enterprise. and has improved a lot with the later Windows 10 builds.

Its funny how you trying to play around the question, as i asked specific "a new OS with no anti-virus software" :D

you know exactly what it means, and that why you refuse to just answer the question,
the way you guys manipulative spread misinformation is disgusting,
i hope you payed well for it :P

I understand that you have reading comprehension issues
"Windows 8 and newer ship with Windows Defender built in"
the default anti virus of modern Windows releases is included with the OS itself and is a part of its security stack. which is ENABLED by default

But if you so insist on disabling real time protection of Windows Defender on Windows 10 which 99% of the users don't do. then the newer OS will still be more secure provided If the user is doing typical web browsing within known websites)

But If you purposefully download malware and execute it then of course the anti-virus will block their execution and Win7 with AV system will win though its a flawed logic.

If you want to compare the different security features then both OSes should be tested at their stock settings out of the box and updated to their latest respective builds.

Windows 10's recent official security update was from October 10, 2023
Windows 7's recent official security update was from January 14, 2020 (January 10, 2023 if you paid for ESU i.e extended support)

Windows 10 ships with a built in active anti virus and is enabled by default
Windows 7 ships with a very basic anti-spyware tool that only runs if you configured it to run by default (no real time protection)

Not to mention that since Windows 7. Microsoft kept on improving security with newer Windows releases.
Windows 10 added CFG (Control Flow Guard) which is used to verify that the code is doing what is intended to do and not go outside of its scope.
+ updated the Windows Firewall stack
+ updated TCP/IP stack to solve the full blind hijacking attack on the said protocol (updated with 8)
+ updated ASLR and became much more aggressive by adding more features and enforcing ASLR even on programs that aren't listed as "compatible"
+ added Heap corruption mitigations (added with 8, updated again in 8.1)

https://msrc.microsoft.com/blog/2013/10/software-defense-mitigating-heap-corruption-vulnerabilities/
https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/six-facts-about-address-space-layout-randomization-on-windows
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-17153/opbyp-1/Microsoft-Windows-7.html

And no, I'm not being paid by Microsoft or any company for that. Not to mention that I'm using Linux as my secondary OS.

[Wolfstorm]

Postat inițial de AmsterdamHeavy:

Your anti-virus software is mostly meaningless with a list of open CVEs longer than my arm. Its like saying "my house is secure, I have locks on my doors and that big hole in the wall where a truck went through isnt an issue"

That's why you don't use only a anti-virus. You also need a firewall.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Postat inițial de Wolfstorm:

Postat inițial de AmsterdamHeavy:

Your anti-virus software is mostly meaningless with a list of open CVEs longer than my arm. Its like saying "my house is secure, I have locks on my doors and that big hole in the wall where a truck went through isnt an issue"

That's why you don't use only a anti-virus. You also need a firewall.

If the OS already has security holes, a firewall is pointless. It's like buying a brand new front door, when the wood around the door frame is rotting or rotten to the point where you can just kick the door in.

You cannot patch those holes.

[Wolfstorm]

Postat inițial de C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

If the OS already has security holes, a firewall is pointless.

Not really, you need to grant permission to access.

[andchaos]

Postat inițial de ★Sinon★ <3:

I understand that you have reading comprehension issues

Nope, it's me who understand that you embarrassed yourself with your declaration, and you avoiding of answering the simple question because it would show how manipulative you statement was, and now you throw walls of text in the forum to cover it up.

It still dont change the fact that people are using win 7 and will continue to do so, and these people are also customers, so it would be nice if they could still access games that they paid for in a way.

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Postat inițial de andchaos:

Postat inițial de Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

microsoft stopped pushing out updates that fix security loopholes

ppl make viruses and malware for os's and when the developer stops making security patches the vulnerabilities remain open for all malware to come in since it will never be fixed or locked again

so win7 will always be open to attacks and such that will never be fixed since its out of service and thus making it very insecure to use

so you only hurt yourself and others by using it instead of upgrading to an OS that still gets security patches

So just curious, can you define what a "virus" is?

And then tell us, what is more secure against viruses, a new OS with no anti-virus software, or a older OS with an anti-virus software thats "Up to Date" with virus definitions?

virus definitions have nothing do with security, its just a scam, antivirus dont protect you

security updates from microsoft protect you something win7 will no longer get

ill take win11 with no av over win7 with av anyday

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Postat inițial de C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Postat inițial de Wolfstorm:

That's why you don't use only a anti-virus. You also need a firewall.

If the OS already has security holes, a firewall is pointless. It's like buying a brand new front door, when the wood around the door frame is rotting or rotten to the point where you can just kick the door in.

You cannot patch those holes.

this pretty much sums it up no need to discuss further

[Lixire]

Postat inițial de andchaos:

Postat inițial de ★Sinon★ <3:

I understand that you have reading comprehension issues

Nope, it's me who understand that you embarrassed yourself with your declaration, and you avoiding of answering the simple question because it would show how manipulative you statement was, and now you throw walls of text in the forum to cover it up.

It still dont change the fact that people are using win 7 and will continue to do so, and these people are also customers, so it would be nice if they could still access games that they paid for in a way.

Which I literally answered. I even did split the segments and even did format the comment as people here are clearly not interested in reading or listen.
"But If you purposefully download malware and execute it then of course the anti-virus will block their execution and Win7 with AV system will win though its a flawed logic."

If you want to use Windows 7 or anything that's your choice and if it works for you then great but claiming bold claims like "7 is more secure than 10" is outright lying. I would say that 7 will do better job in the privacy side of things but def not security.

About your Steam games. Yes, it does suck to lose access for them but at the end of the day. This is DRM for you. Valve clearly stated in their Terms of Service that the system requirements are subject to change over time.
Either upgrade, look for workarounds or quit using Steam completely.
I doubt that Valve will develop or maintain service for unsupported OSes. they clearly didn't do so with Windows 98 and ME, certainly not with 2000, not even XP and Vista. So what will be different with Windows 7?

[andchaos]

Postat inițial de C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

If the OS already has security holes, a firewall is pointless. ..

..You cannot patch those holes.

Educat youself on what "security holes" are, then you will understand that you can block them even witout patching a system, just by firewall setup or just taking away the rights of a specific aplication.

But the whole point of that narration is, that some of you guys falsly declared potentian treats and the mesuments against them as related to just the OS version, what is just a stupid argument, thats not how it works, you can setup a win 7 with realy good secure mesuments minimalizing risks close to zero. Just trying to scare people with false infomation about security dont not help anyone.

[andchaos]

Postat inițial de ★Sinon★ <3:

Which I literally answered...

Not at all, you just dodged it, but may others just judge for them self, whatever...

[Lixire]

Postat inițial de andchaos:

Postat inițial de ★Sinon★ <3:

Which I literally answered...

Not at all, you just dodged it, but may others just judge for them self, whatever...

So far I did answer most of your questions and you don't seem to read anything as it goes against your personal bias. Oh well, It is what it is.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

I love how someone try to claim dropped support OS are more secured without understanding that with no support to get updates means no more fixes, or security patches which all the flaws, and security holes are a feature on dropped supported OS because no one gonna fix it hence dropped support. If new exploit happen, there no fix it just part of windows 7 feature at that point, while supported OS such as windows 10 will get security patch to blocking the hole.

I guess they think security holes good, and blocking security holes bad lmao.