Steam is not supporting windows 7 anymore form January 2024

[Azraeil]

Why steam is doing this? Aren't there enough players running on windows 7? I myself have windows 10 but a lot of my friends still use windows 7 and the will be blocked of their games after this update comes.

[ImperatorPavel]

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Exactly. I assume you have malware as I have never seen a popup ad on Win10, ever.

The malware was Windows 10 itself.
Here in Windows 7 there is no popup, no ad, no anything.
I run the AV everyday, and nothing appears in the results.
Windows 7 is safer than Windows 10.

Looks at list of known Common Vulnerabilities and Exploits:

Windows 7: 1,800 known exploits.
Windows 10, most recently updated version: 0 known exploits.

Windows 7: https://www.cvedetails.com/version/1229075/Microsoft-Windows-7--.html
Windows 10: https://www.cvedetails.com/version/1692360/Microsoft-Windows-10-22h2-10.0.19045.3570.html

Windows 7, even with an AV, is a lot more exploitable than an up-to-date Windows 10. Wouldn't be surprised if many of these outright bypassed an AV in the first place.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

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Exactly. I assume you have malware as I have never seen a popup ad on Win10, ever.

The malware was Windows 10 itself.
Here in Windows 7 there is no popup, no ad, no anything.
I run the AV everyday, and nothing appears in the results.
Windows 7 is safer than Windows 10.

That is completely and factually untrue. There is a list of CVEs longer than my arm that will never be closed on Win7 after 4 years of no MS support.

Saying things like this just advertises that you dont have a clue.

[ImperatorPavel]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av ImperatorPavel:

Ultimately, we can discuss this all we want.

Steam will drop support for Windows 7/8/8.1 on January 1st, 2024.

I suggest contacting a consumer rights lawyer and suing Valve if you think that you have any legal angle to stop this.

Whining on these forums is not going to prevent Valve from updating Steam to no longer support Windows 7/8/8.1.

I would recommend that as well, but not atp, i was told for two pieces of information. One, how many will be affected, and i provided Steams own numbers, and two, the date you will NOT get access to your product.

But they were specific, in that you would not get access to your product. And that was the sticky point, being we just don't know, until it happens.

And that's really the big question, and likely why Mr Newell is not being sued, being i heard after the XP matter, people still had access to their games, one way or another.

And if you do, there is no rationale for a suit i wouldn't think.

That's why i said last night, instead of focusing on TOS and mumbo jumbo that is only meant to protect companies, we should be looking, probing, and inquiring from Valve, what "exactly" we should expect, on Jan 1.

You're not going to get that answer from Valve. The client might connect and launch games past January 1st, it might not be able to connect at all.

Nice thing about end of support notices is it puts the onus on the end user to figure out how they're going to continue access.

There were no lawsuits around XP support being dropped because no company is required to support an OS indefinitely, especially one that has not been supported for the past 3 years.

There probably aren't any meaningful damages, either. You figure the value of each game on your Steam account, minus the time you've put into them as a monetary value, you're probably only owed a couple of dollars. One could maybe argue the cost of a computer that supports Windows 10, although realistically any PC you purchase from Best Buy will blow your 10+ year old PC out of the water.

You'd end up spending more money suing Valve than you could ever make back by doing so.

[NakiBest]

What onus here?

Unless user is a brain-dead iDi0t, this is simple.

[xBCxRangers]

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I would recommend that as well, but not atp, i was told for two pieces of information. One, how many will be affected, and i provided Steams own numbers, and two, the date you will NOT get access to your product.

But they were specific, in that you would not get access to your product. And that was the sticky point, being we just don't know, until it happens.

And that's really the big question, and likely why Mr Newell is not being sued, being i heard after the XP matter, people still had access to their games, one way or another.

And if you do, there is no rationale for a suit i wouldn't think.

That's why i said last night, instead of focusing on TOS and mumbo jumbo that is only meant to protect companies, we should be looking, probing, and inquiring from Valve, what "exactly" we should expect, on Jan 1.

You're not going to get that answer from Valve. The client might connect and launch games past January 1st, it might not be able to connect at all.

Nice thing about end of support notices is it puts the onus on the end user to figure out how they're going to continue access.

There were no lawsuits around XP support being dropped because no company is required to support an OS indefinitely, especially one that has not been supported for the past 3 years.

There probably aren't any meaningful damages, either. You figure the value of each game on your Steam account, minus the time you've put into them as a monetary value, you're probably only owed a couple of dollars. One could maybe argue the cost of a computer that supports Windows 10, although realistically any PC you purchase from Best Buy will blow your 10+ year old PC out of the water.

You'd end up spending more money suing Valve than you could ever make back by doing so.

Well, in a way you're certainly right, but i contend that's specifically "why" we're not hearing anything from Valve, being they don't want to be sued. And so they're staying silent.

But as an aside, you can't sue yet anyway, being you cant know if in fact this issue may even be punted.

From a legal standpoint i would think, you cannot sue for things you "think" or have an assumption may happen, but only if it does, and what's key, IF you lose access to your product, where as i and another poster here, are questioning if we even will.

[Komarimaru]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av ImperatorPavel:

You're not going to get that answer from Valve. The client might connect and launch games past January 1st, it might not be able to connect at all.

Nice thing about end of support notices is it puts the onus on the end user to figure out how they're going to continue access.

There were no lawsuits around XP support being dropped because no company is required to support an OS indefinitely, especially one that has not been supported for the past 3 years.

There probably aren't any meaningful damages, either. You figure the value of each game on your Steam account, minus the time you've put into them as a monetary value, you're probably only owed a couple of dollars. One could maybe argue the cost of a computer that supports Windows 10, although realistically any PC you purchase from Best Buy will blow your 10+ year old PC out of the water.

You'd end up spending more money suing Valve than you could ever make back by doing so.

Well, in a way you're certainly right, but i contend that's specifically "why" we're not hearing anything from Valve, being they don't want to be sued. And so they're staying silent.

But as an aside, you can't sue yet anyway, being you cant know if in fact this issue may even be punted.

From a legal standpoint i would think, you cannot sue for things you "think" or have an assumption may happen, but only if it does, and what's key, IF you lose access to your product, where as i and another poster here, are questioning if we even will.

They don't have to tell you why, but they do. They've given far more notice then required by law in every country in the world that support is dropping. Giving nearly an entire year for people to update and move on.

But, if you somehow missed on why the reason is they are dropping support, I'll link the exact same thing the notice does, since it clearly tells you why.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

[Wolfstorm]

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Windows 7, even with an AV, is a lot more exploitable than an up-to-date Windows 10. Wouldn't be surprised if many of these outright bypassed an AV in the first place.

If such was the case, I would have been robbed already, as I run blockchain data.
I have been using Windows 7 since I build this PC, 5 years ago, and then other 7 years in the previous PC. 12 years and no problem with malware.

Windows 10? One week and my desktop was filled with ads.

[xBCxRangers]

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Well, in a way you're certainly right, but i contend that's specifically "why" we're not hearing anything from Valve, being they don't want to be sued. And so they're staying silent.

But as an aside, you can't sue yet anyway, being you cant know if in fact this issue may even be punted.

From a legal standpoint i would think, you cannot sue for things you "think" or have an assumption may happen, but only if it does, and what's key, IF you lose access to your product, where as i and another poster here, are questioning if we even will.

They don't have to tell you why, but they do. They've given far more notice then required by law in every country in the world that support is dropping. Giving nearly an entire year for people to update and move on.

But, if you somehow missed on why the reason is they are dropping support, I'll link the exact same thing the notice does, since it clearly tells you why.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

I got it. Yet, nobody can say with any certainty, "what" is going to happen, Jan 1. We know, they're dropping Win 7. Great. What does that exactly have to do, with the products we bought.

Some say after the XP matter, just play Offline. Some say pull then plug, others have ways around it. In those cases, you're not losing access to your product.

And so lets face it, the rest of all of this matter, is just noise atp. And if I'M saying that, given my rhetoric over the past months, that's saying something.

But i had to speak to an attorney to get the assurance as of now, as well as fellow posters, that may not be legally inclined, but are very technically inclined (including yourself). So, we just have to see.

[SqueakyTweaky]

What it does is it will stop you from using the steam launcher after that date, every person with a bit higher IQ can understand it.

[Komarimaru]

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They don't have to tell you why, but they do. They've given far more notice then required by law in every country in the world that support is dropping. Giving nearly an entire year for people to update and move on.

But, if you somehow missed on why the reason is they are dropping support, I'll link the exact same thing the notice does, since it clearly tells you why.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

I got it. Yet, nobody can say with any certainty, "what" is going to happen, Jan 1. We know, they're dropping Win 7. Great. What does that exactly have to do, with the products we bought.

Some say after the XP matter, just play Offline. Some say pull then plug, others have ways around it. In those cases, you're not losing access to your product.

And so lets face it, the rest of all of this matter, is just noise atp. And if I'M saying that, given my rhetoric over the past months, that's saying something.

But i had to speak to an attorney to get the assurance as of now, as well as fellow posters, that may not be legally inclined, but are very technically inclined (including yourself). So, we just have to see.

The products will still be tied to the account, if you're on a non supported operating system, you'll lose access. That simple.

Those saying they played offline on XP, left out the fact you can't download games anymore, so didn't matter.

They say why this is happening, in that FAQ.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

This means, it will not run anymore in the future. When that future is? No one knows. But it's clearly evident they want to be able to update to a newer chromium version, that Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 do not work on.

So easier to just let people know now, a year in advance nearly, the change is coming.

[xBCxRangers]

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I got it. Yet, nobody can say with any certainty, "what" is going to happen, Jan 1. We know, they're dropping Win 7. Great. What does that exactly have to do, with the products we bought.

Some say after the XP matter, just play Offline. Some say pull then plug, others have ways around it. In those cases, you're not losing access to your product.

And so lets face it, the rest of all of this matter, is just noise atp. And if I'M saying that, given my rhetoric over the past months, that's saying something.

But i had to speak to an attorney to get the assurance as of now, as well as fellow posters, that may not be legally inclined, but are very technically inclined (including yourself). So, we just have to see.

The products will still be tied to the account, if you're on a non supported operating system, you'll lose access. That simple.

Those saying they played offline on XP, left out the fact you can't download games anymore, so didn't matter.

They say why this is happening, in that FAQ.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

This means, it will not run anymore in the future. When that future is? No one knows. But it's clearly evident they want to be able to update to a newer chromium version, that Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 do not work on.

So easier to just let people know now, a year in advance nearly, the change is coming.

"Those saying they played offline on XP, left out the fact you can't download games anymore, so didn't matter".

Right, well there it is. That's me in fact. I don't need or want to download anymore Steam games, or buy anything more from the store. And i've yanked the plug, and all my games work.

And so, there's no sense me crying over a matter that won't affect me, if it won't.

We have to admit, there's a lot of trolling going on. My requests of Mr Newell upset people, and i have to say, its fun. Others like to wallow in others misery, whether its this topic, moderation whatever. It's all trolling.

The forums are a great place, to ask learned individuals about technical matters. News on games, stuff like that. But when we get into "money", who spent what, legal matters like TOS or the like, it's very good counsel, to stay away from gaming forums.

[Komarimaru]

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The products will still be tied to the account, if you're on a non supported operating system, you'll lose access. That simple.

Those saying they played offline on XP, left out the fact you can't download games anymore, so didn't matter.

They say why this is happening, in that FAQ.



This means, it will not run anymore in the future. When that future is? No one knows. But it's clearly evident they want to be able to update to a newer chromium version, that Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 do not work on.

So easier to just let people know now, a year in advance nearly, the change is coming.

"Those saying they played offline on XP, left out the fact you can't download games anymore, so didn't matter".

Right, well there it is. That's me in fact. I don't need or want to download anymore Steam games, or buy anything more from the store. And i've yanked the plug, and all my games work.

And so, there's no sense me crying over a matter that won't affect me, if it won't.

We have to admit, there's a lot of trolling going on. My requests of Mr Newell upset people, and i have to say, its fun. Others like to wallow in others misery, whether its this topic, moderation whatever. It's all trolling.

The forums are a great place, to ask learned individuals about technical matters. News on games, stuff like that. But when we get into "money", who spent what, legal matters like TOS or the like, it's very good counsel, to stay away from gaming forums.

I should also clarify, only DRM free games work. For my XP and Vista retro rigs, the games are downloaded to an install folder as my NAS. But this is from a updated and modern machine that can validate the files.

If the files are not validated, you'll not be able to play them if require Steamworks DRM.

[Wolfstorm]

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We have to admit, there's a lot of trolling going on. My requests of Mr Newell upset people, and i have to say, its fun. Others like to wallow in others misery, whether its this topic, moderation whatever. It's all trolling.

I thought I was the only one.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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If you don't upgrade your OS, you will lose access to your games. So you're making a conscious choice to choose your OS over your games.

Nope, i am making no choice here, its hapening without my doing, they still assigned to my account, so stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you pans, specialy when it is not your bussines at all. It would be still great if they consider that there are customers who would like access they content from a older OS.

We all had to upgrade. Windows 7 users are not special nor are they unique.

As I told you, I've been through several operating systems. Five of them actually. A computer is not a gaming console. Stop trading it like it is a console.

[kitty]

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And yet again you publicly display your complete ineptitude about anything to do with technology.

I never said to delete their backup data. Obviously anyone with a brain would copy off all data off any storage device before formatting it. Also if you have ever done anything with technology you might actually know that sometimes drives formatted under one version of windows will not work unless re-formatted under a different version of windows. This is very common in the tech world. You would know this if you knew anything about technology.

miss me with your bs. I even don't want to dissect this pile of misinformation. how do you copy something if your OS can't see it? where do you find same big HDD and second pocket? you can't just admit your advice was a bad one, don't you? you have to insult me instead?