WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[xBCxRangers]

It's going to cause a huge calamity. I can't even imagine, the amount of government computers in the world still on Win 7. And anyhow, there was no warning of this. I must have bought a hundred games, thinking i can play them. Now, it's all gone in 9 months? Personally, i think they'd have to be crazy.

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

It's going to cause a huge calamity. I can't even imagine, the amount of government computers in the world still on Win 7. And anyhow, there was no warning of this. I must have bought a hundred games, thinking i can play them. Now, it's all gone in 9 months? Personally, i think they'd have to be crazy.

It won't cause a huge calamity, and its been known for YEARS it was going to happen. Nothing will stop the government computers from running windows 7, there are still computers running XP afterall Microsoft announced they were stopping support back in 2020. So 4 years notice. This happens with EVERY OS.

Also you can still play every game, you just have to upgrade windows, thats it. Every gaming store is either doing the same thing or has already done so.

[Jaunitta 🌸]

Chrome dropped support for windows 7 at the beginning of this year.
If you use Chrome with windows 7 now you will see a message To get updates for Chrome upgrade to windows 10. This aligns with Valve requires to use an imbedded version of Chrome since last 2 years we lost the option to upload videos from youtube from within our profiles / videos and have to use Steam in a browser due to video censorship laws and Youtube.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A
Its a free upgrade to windows 10. Just download the media creation tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJZ5UDEcCmk

[RiO]

Origineel geplaatst door Jaunitta 🌸:

since last 2 years we lost the option to upload videos from youtube from within our profiles / videos and have to use Steam in a browser due to video censorship laws and Youtube.

That has absolutely 120% nothing to do with any form of censorship law or with YouTube specifically.

That's Google who have forbidden use of embedded in-app browsers for signing into Google accounts as a whole, and by extension for signing into YouTube.

Google did that, because in-app browsers were a common attack vector for stealing people's account credentials. Whoever sets up the in-app browser has the ability to arbitrarily inject and add any code they want to any loaded page - which includes the ability to inject key loggers into any sign-in pages.
And Google can't have that happening. They take the security of their users genuinely serious. (They very much have to; considering everything that can hang off of a Google account, or the public fallout of a breach would erode the goodwill they managed to accrue over the decades in a matter of days.) So nowadays they're using some clever undisclosed mechanisms to weed out genuine browsers from embedded webviews; and deny service to the latter.

Google put out several implementation guidelines and blogged and performed evangelism extensively to get developers aligned on implementing things according to their revised guidelines. There's a particular interaction flow where you're supposed to delegate to the default OS browser with a particular type of callback handler, so you can hand the session tokens back to the app afterwards and get it to be treated as logged in.

But Valve being Valve, they tend to do things on their own time - i.e. Valve Time.

So expect those changes to land somewhere in the next years
decades
millennium
...
(maybe)

[Muppet among Puppets]

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

It's going to cause a huge calamity. I can't even imagine, the amount of government computers in the world still on Win 7. And anyhow, there was no warning of this. I must have bought a hundred games, thinking i can play them. Now, it's all gone in 9 months? Personally, i think they'd have to be crazy.

Personally i would not run windows 7 even idle when connected to the internet.

I am not sure why you plan on using it more than 3 years after the last security update.

Write down your fears of win 10, then look them up in the internet.
When you learnt how to solve your worries,
upgrade, do some settings, and thats it.
Nothing bad will happen.

[RasaNova]

Origineel geplaatst door RiO:

Origineel geplaatst door eastevenson:

But wouldn't the loophole be that they can meet that obligation by terminating your subscription? Surely the law can't require subscription service providers to continue providing any service they offer in perpetuity, without allowing for any way to terminate the subscription?

They could, yes. But the trick then is that the EU has additional legislation that says if the trader terminates the contract by terminating the subscription of their own volition, for reaons that are not e.g. what you would classify as 'act of God' - then they are legally required to refund all payments for services yet to be rendered. Which in case of Steam's model of a one-time payment in advance for a subscription of indeterminate time, means they're refunding all of it.


But again, I can't stress this enough, that's the theory.

This stuff hardly ever gets put into practice - as in: gets tested before a court.

And that's because as a consumer either you're dealing with a small-time good-faith actor for a trader who realizes if things go to court, they'd end up publicly eating crow and they'd rather not burn bridges with consumers.
Or you're dealing with a high-roller bad-faith actor who realizes hardly any consumer will press them to court, and if they do - they'll have deeper pockets than the consumer anyway and will manage to outlast them and then deal the death blow by redressing cost for legal proceedings on them in a two-for-one.

If you value your financial future, you probably shouldn't think about trying to take a company to court over something like this - even if you would be in the right. Odds are high you'd pay the piper for it.

But Valve isn't canceling any contracts over this. Our right to install and run Steam still exists and is not linked to any particular revision.

[xBCxRangers]

Origineel geplaatst door brian9824:

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

It's going to cause a huge calamity. I can't even imagine, the amount of government computers in the world still on Win 7. And anyhow, there was no warning of this. I must have bought a hundred games, thinking i can play them. Now, it's all gone in 9 months? Personally, i think they'd have to be crazy.

It won't cause a huge calamity, and its been known for YEARS it was going to happen. Nothing will stop the government computers from running windows 7, there are still computers running XP afterall Microsoft announced they were stopping support back in 2020. So 4 years notice. This happens with EVERY OS.

Also you can still play every game, you just have to upgrade windows, thats it. Every gaming store is either doing the same thing or has already done so.

I've never seen this happen, ever. And i've been gaming since 1976. Xbox will still let me play old games i purchased in their stores. So does PS3. I understand we're dealing with OS, but they can come out with a launcher to play our games.

I mean, if there's 132 million active Steam subscribers, and they say on their "survey" only 2% will be affected, that's 2.5 million people.

Yes, there will be a calamity, being idt people pay attention to social media and the latest gaming news as much as you think.

[xBCxRangers]

Origineel geplaatst door nullable:

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

It's going to cause a huge calamity. I can't even imagine, the amount of government computers in the world still on Win 7.

Steam is critical for government operation is it?

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

And anyhow, there was no warning of this.

End of support slated for 9 months from now is the warning. Not to mention MS ended support for Windows 7 three years ago.

So "no warning" only if you ignore all the other warnings.

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

I must have bought a hundred games, thinking i can play them. Now, it's all gone in 9 months? Personally, i think they'd have to be crazy.

If you do nothing and are never going to buy/use another PC ever again. I mean does that seem realistic to you?

For me, yeah it is realistic. I'm a console player mainly, a retiree, and i really don't need a computer. If i was to get one, it would be a 300 dollar office cheapo that can't play games lol.

[Japanimater]

I built my computer back in 2010 with a i7-920 (released 2008).
My computer wouldn't be able to handle Windows 10 and I can't simply get a new processor since CPUs aren't made for that socket type anymore.
I'd have to get a new motherboard too which would lead to having to get new compatible RAM as well.
If I had to go through all that, I might as well build a whole new computer, but if I'm to make it last at least another 15 years, I'd have to spend at least $2000 and I can't afford that for several more years.

At least also having GeForce GTX 950, 24GB of RAM, and a 1TB SSD allows me to play indie and older games.

I don't need whatever new features or visual effects Steam has planned, but I do still need to be able to at least play my games and online.

[Acetyl]

Origineel geplaatst door nullable:

Oh so you're just joining in the outrage because some other users are clueless and outraged?

Well on PC, upside is you have a library of games decades long. The downside is you can't use one machine for your whole life and always expect all the PC software is gonna run on it forever. If you want to be a PC gamer, you're gonna be upgrading something, someday no matter what kinda tantrums you have.

You vill use ze Vindows 11 to play ze video games.
You vill accept ze biometrics.
You vill experience ze remote neural monitoring.
And
you vill
be happy.

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

Origineel geplaatst door brian9824:

It won't cause a huge calamity, and its been known for YEARS it was going to happen. Nothing will stop the government computers from running windows 7, there are still computers running XP afterall Microsoft announced they were stopping support back in 2020. So 4 years notice. This happens with EVERY OS.

Also you can still play every game, you just have to upgrade windows, thats it. Every gaming store is either doing the same thing or has already done so.

I've never seen this happen, ever. And i've been gaming since 1976. Xbox will still let me play old games i purchased in their stores. So does PS3. I understand we're dealing with OS, but they can come out with a launcher to play our games.

I mean, if there's 132 million active Steam subscribers, and they say on their "survey" only 2% will be affected, that's 2.5 million people.

Yes, there will be a calamity, being idt people pay attention to social media and the latest gaming news as much as you think.

Sounds like PC gaming is not for you then. I'd stick to consoles if you can't upgrade your OS every 15 years

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door Japanimater:

I built my computer back in 2010 with a i7-920 (released 2008).
My computer wouldn't be able to handle Windows 10 and I can't simply get a new processor since CPUs aren't made for that socket type anymore.
I'd have to get a new motherboard too which would lead to having to get new compatible RAM as well.
If I had to go through all that, I might as well build a whole new computer, but if I'm to make it last at least another 15 years, I'd have to spend at least $2000 and I can't afford that for several more years.

At least also having GeForce GTX 950, 24GB of RAM, and a 1TB SSD allows me to play indie and older games.

I don't need whatever new features or visual effects Steam has planned, but I do still need to be able to at least play my games and online.

Lol that is far far far beyond the specs to run windows 10...

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Origineel geplaatst door JarlFrank:

Origineel geplaatst door ShelLuser:

I wonder how OP would react if he had purchased a PS3 console, only to eventually discover that *gasp* Sony made a new one and thus no longer supports the now "last gen" consoles.

Quickly followed by games which can no longer be played online.

You can still use the old PS3 and play games on it.

Origineel geplaatst door Japanimater:

I built my computer back in 2010 with a i7-920 (released 2008).
My computer wouldn't be able to handle Windows 10 and I can't simply get a new processor since CPUs aren't made for that socket type anymore.
I'd have to get a new motherboard too which would lead to having to get new compatible RAM as well.
If I had to go through all that, I might as well build a whole new computer, but if I'm to make it last at least another 15 years, I'd have to spend at least $2000 and I can't afford that for several more years.

At least also having GeForce GTX 950, 24GB of RAM, and a 1TB SSD allows me to play indie and older games.

I don't need whatever new features or visual effects Steam has planned, but I do still need to be able to at least play my games and online.

Even mid range computers aren't 2 grand.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Origineel geplaatst door Japanimater:

I built my computer back in 2010 with a i7-920 (released 2008).
My computer wouldn't be able to handle Windows 10 and I can't simply get a new processor since CPUs aren't made for that socket type anymore.
I'd have to get a new motherboard too which would lead to having to get new compatible RAM as well.
If I had to go through all that, I might as well build a whole new computer, but if I'm to make it last at least another 15 years, I'd have to spend at least $2000 and I can't afford that for several more years.

If you can run windows 7, you can run windows 10.

I run it on a cheap android entry level tablet hardware from 2016.

Just keep a backup of your drivers for internet adapter....... etc....., just in case. If you want to go back, i allways had a button for some days, that reverted to 7 with 1 click.


And btw
you dont need to get a 2000 $ computer "to make it last 15 years".
The high end you buy this year is in 4 years middle class in never versions. So buy reasonable, and you are good to go for many years, and you did not pay too much for the moment.

[vivo]

I already place a ticket for the tech support about the issue and she told me to come here the discussion board to voice my stance.

And my stance is: Keep supporting Windows 7, it is the condition I purchase all my games, and Steam should continue to support it.