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😡 Duck 😡 2023 年 3 月 28 日 上午 7:51
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WTF?why stop supporting Windows 7?
I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever
最後修改者:😡 Duck 😡; 2023 年 6 月 29 日 上午 2:48
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RasaNova 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:06 
引用自 Alkpaz
All my systems are Win 10, but removing Win7 for the reasons Valve mentioned is a load of garbage. I've been using Steam since HL-2's release, and that was before Chrome was a "thing". So don't use that POS excuse. This shows there is a partnership between Microsoft and Valve. Reconsider, or I may have to reconsider purchasing elsewhere. That you can be assured, I'm not lying, not that I can just bow out now since I have more than enough games to last me the rest of my life, plus, it WILL save me money in that I can use it for more productive things.
You were fine when they stopped supporting Win98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, but Win 7 is where you decided to draw the line?
Tito Shivan 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:08 
引用自 Alkpaz
All my systems are Win 10, but removing Win7 for the reasons Valve mentioned is a load of garbage. I've been using Steam since HL-2's release, and that was before Chrome was a "thing". So don't use that POS excuse.
Then you've already gone through several iterations of this.
Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:12 
引用自 AmsterdamHeavy
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
The heck you think I'm doing? I'm not even running Windows 7 and the first thing I did on this computer is run a real firewall and have it so strict absolutely nothing can be ran without me knowing first. As in, automatic deny unless I say otherwise.

Duh.

Uh huh. You think theres a few million people on win7 doing that today?

How much of a minority of a minority do you think you are? And youre trying to argue this issue from that POV.

Hardly based in actual reality. Duh.
I've been doing this on every single OS I ever owned since I ever knew how to operate a computer.

Am I such an edge case? I sure hope not because anybody who actually know what they are doing should also be doing this. This is like basic 101 stuff for computers.
JarlFrank 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:15 
I haven't updated my version of Win 7 in years, never had a virus, never had anything stolen or hijacked. I use a firewall and 2FA on important accounts. "HACKERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET ON YOUR PC" is a myth spread by people who believe hackers to be omnipotent cyber magicians.
H4xX 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:17 
引用自 JarlFrank
I haven't updated my version of Win 7 in years, never had a virus, never had anything stolen or hijacked. I use a firewall and 2FA on important accounts. "HACKERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET ON YOUR PC" is a myth spread by people who believe hackers to be omnipotent cyber magicians.
Same here, exactly, or a marketing myth to sell unnecessary new Windows versions / give a reason to update spyware

Technically, Windows has almost nothing to do with viruses, because they enter through installed software connected to the internet and files opened by installed software.
最後修改者:H4xX; 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:21
BlackBloodGhost 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:22 
引用自 JarlFrank
I haven't updated my version of Win 7 in years, never had a virus, never had anything stolen or hijacked. I use a firewall and 2FA on important accounts. "HACKERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET ON YOUR PC" is a myth spread by people who believe hackers to be omnipotent cyber magicians.
never had a virus that you know of*

To be clear here, a virus, when made correctly is undetectable, particularly on old, non-updated computers. It's possible you haven't, but even if you had it's also possible you simply wouldn't know.

More to the point, people assume a virus must get past their firewall, account passwords etc. But that's simply not the case.

A single exploit, just one, in your web browser that you use to browse websites can quickly lead to your computer being compromised.

Don't forget, every website you load uses javascript, this is code that is then executed on your computer by your web browser. (Think of it in the same way as running an application).

If a browser is out of date, that means that malicious code that runs within that browser can be used to exploit your computer. For example, with a known exploit, javascript could be used to download another program onto your computer silently, and then execute that program.

You should also remember, it's possible to hide a running application from task manager and other common utilities to manage processes on your computer when an exploit has been successful.

It is foolish to naively believe that your computer will remain eternally secure without any security patches or updates.
Brian9824 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:24 
引用自 JarlFrank
I haven't updated my version of Win 7 in years, never had a virus, never had anything stolen or hijacked. I use a firewall and 2FA on important accounts. "HACKERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET ON YOUR PC" is a myth spread by people who believe hackers to be omnipotent cyber magicians.

That's a false analogy. Its like saying you've never had a fire so a fire department or smoke detectors aren't needed. Just because its never happened to you doesn't mean that its not going to happen to others, and that the fire/issues aren't going to effect other people when it does happen.

Hence why they mitigate it. Of course its also for a lot more then security. If they don't require a modern OS then they can't build the client using any of the new functionality. I mean imagine if everyone had never stopped offering support for 56k modems and websites and software had to be designed around them......

They'd be limited by the weakest computers, used by the small minority. There comes a point at which simply the user share is so low, and the technology is so outdated that you simply have to stop letting it hold you back. By the time this occurs the users of windows 7/8 will be under 1% of Steam's users, just like when it occurred with 95,98, and XP.
AmsterdamHeavy 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:24 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
引用自 AmsterdamHeavy

Uh huh. You think theres a few million people on win7 doing that today?

How much of a minority of a minority do you think you are? And youre trying to argue this issue from that POV.

Hardly based in actual reality. Duh.
I've been doing this on every single OS I ever owned since I ever knew how to operate a computer.

Am I such an edge case? I sure hope not because anybody who actually know what they are doing should also be doing this. This is like basic 101 stuff for computers.

You are an edge case. You know you are an edge case.

引用自 JarlFrank
I haven't updated my version of Win 7 in years, never had a virus, never had anything stolen or hijacked. I use a firewall and 2FA on important accounts. "HACKERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET ON YOUR PC" is a myth spread by people who believe hackers to be omnipotent cyber magicians.

The OS has fundamental security issues that are no longer being addressed.

These vulnerabilities have been exposed since the last update and are now permanent. It is hardly a myth.

I have seen with my own eyes a home win7 box brought into a secure environment and begin spewing things on to the network that were detected. it was such an issue that a physical search of a 6,000 person campus was initiated.

Good malware doesnt let you know its there, just in case you didnt know that.
H4xX 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:29 
At least in my case, who also never had viruses without any updates (I unplug the net and disable updates after fresh installs), I can almost be sure not to have had a virus, cause I have analysis tools and job experience regarding malware removal on clients.
Good thing about nowadays browsers is the sandbox around it, preventing JS-breakouts.
But Windows-Updates don't really prevent this. They're more like preventing file attributes to use the Microsoft name, that kind of thing.
最後修改者:H4xX; 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:33
BlackBloodGhost 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:34 
引用自 H4xX
At least in my case, who also never had viruses without any updates (I unplug the net and disable updates after fresh installs), I can almost be sure not to have had a virus, cause I have analysis tools and job experience regarding malware.
Good thing about nowadays browsers is the sandbox around it, preventing JS-breakouts.
But Windows-Updates don't really prevent this. They're more like preventing file attributes to use the Microsoft name, that kind of thing.
Using an out dated operating system means eventually browsers also stop getting updates. (As is the case with Chromium, hence why steam is also dropping Win 7).

Those will eventually get known exploits, that will not be patched. This is also true of Edge, which will no longer get updates for Windows 7.

If the computer is offline, and not connected to the net, that's fine. But then this steam update won't affect you anyway.
H4xX 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:44 
Aye, the problem is that google had hijacked firefox and made a new browser and made android, which allowed them a position which made them able to force all browsers to follow a constantly changing and expanding norm (and adding new exploits) which prevents people who aren't rich from making their own browser, besides from owning the only search engine, locking out sites not matching the norm (I had even made one as kid when it was still possible). Also on the base of procotols (https), which keep getting new versions. Users weren't allowed to visit non https sites, and now browsers can only display https of a version matching their own. At some point, https allowed anyone to display all data traffic between all users and a website by exploit, probably put in on purpose for surveillance until the CIA had been hacked and everyone could. Normally impossible to make that programming mistake.

I had made my websites before Google forced everyone into their monopoly, at least those still work cause they use the old languages. You can see warnings not to use old commands like the old <center> instead of <div style="text-align='center'"> anymore, cause they would be deleted soon, but it's still been safe for 20 years afterwards unlike the new commands which keep being removed.

For now, 10% browser users still use Windows 7, so let's hope there will always be a company for these.
最後修改者:H4xX; 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:57
JarlFrank 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:47 
引用自 BlackBloodRum
Don't forget, every website you load uses javascript, this is code that is then executed on your computer by your web browser. (Think of it in the same way as running an application).

I use noscript, if a website doesn't work with noscript I go through the list of blocked scripts and allow them individually.
BlackBloodGhost 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 7:53 
LibreWolf, it's a fork of Firefox and contains a ton of privacy improvements. Effectively "DeGoogled".

Also, there are other search engines.

HTTPS is not a bad technology. Without HTTPS, all traffic is sent over a plain text connection, that means someone like me could quite easily read your username and password when you use a web form. That's bad.

HTTPS on the other hand, encrypts the traffic which makes it far more secure and prevents me from being able to plainly see your username and password without having to attempt to decrypt it first.

The change to HTTPS wasn't just pushed by Google, it was pushed by the security industry as a whole, simply because the benefits far out weigh the cons.

So long as the certificate is using at least 2048-bit RSA and TLS 1.2 or better for the most part it's secure. But you can always check to see just how good a websites SSL setup is with qualys.

Websites also have no excuse to not use an SSL certificate at this point, you can get them for free from Let's Encrypt, and have them automatically renew for free.

PS: I should mention, I hate Google with a passion and avoid them as best I can. My android device doesn't run stock android, but a "DeGoogled" one with no google services on it (so no play store for example)
H4xX 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 8:01 
:)

引用自 BlackBloodRum
HTTPS is not a bad technology. Without HTTPS, all traffic is sent over a plain text connection, that means someone like me could quite easily read your username and password when you use a web form. That's bad.

Tho for this you'd need to be in already, either cutting the cable, hacking WLAN with a weak password if the PC is connected through that or acting as if your virus is the router of the house, tho the latter one is being detected by various included software nowadays.
最後修改者:H4xX; 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 8:03
BlackBloodGhost 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 8:05 
引用自 H4xX
:)

引用自 BlackBloodRum
HTTPS is not a bad technology. Without HTTPS, all traffic is sent over a plain text connection, that means someone like me could quite easily read your username and password when you use a web form. That's bad.

Tho for this you'd need to be in already, either cutting the cable, hacking WLAN with a weak password if the PC is connected through that or acting as if your virus is the router of the house, tho the latter one is being easily detected by various included software nowadays.
Or, just happen to be one of the many routers (gateways) your connection goes through before it reaches the server.

A simple test on Windows:

tracert steamcommunity.com

(use cmd)

How many hops are there? Each one of those are able to read the traffic between you and the website you are accessing.
最後修改者:BlackBloodGhost; 2023 年 4 月 3 日 上午 8:06
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