WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[Ni-Neith]

Partially solved the problem. By default, Windows 7 disables TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2.
To enable them, there is a utility https://download.microsoft.com/download/0/6/5/0658B1A7-6D2E-474F-BC2C-D69E5B9E9A68/MicrosoftEasyFix51044.msi

But when downloading the ISO image to a USB flash drive, a blue screen popped up.

I will investigate further.

[bidulless]

Originalmente postado por PC director:

Partially solved the problem. By default, Windows 7 disables TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2.
To enable them, there is a utility https://download.microsoft.com/download/0/6/5/0658B1A7-6D2E-474F-BC2C-D69E5B9E9A68/MicrosoftEasyFix51044.msi

But when downloading the ISO image to a USB flash drive, a blue screen popped up.

I will investigate further.

Hello

You need to download the iso on your hdd and use rufus to write it on a stick in order to make a bootable usb disk
And you need to boot on the newly created disk to install a fresh windows 10.

Ps: do not forget to make at least a save of all your passwords from your browser before and all others important documents you have on your main hdd ( if will be formatted during the install process of windows 10)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCw22x93OnI
same video but from invidious
https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=CCw22x93OnI

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por xBCxRangers:

Originalmente postado por bidulless:

Hello

Most people of the "move and shutup" side are not very kindly most of the time .... i am agree that they should be more "bienveillant" before punching people on the face the first ime a new people come and write here something not aligned with their idea but i can easily think it's how things are working nowadays in every "social" forum.

I have no issue in they wanting to punch us. The issue i have, is we get banned if we punch back, while nothing happens to them.

I welcome a rigorous debate, but we just can't have one, if we're constantly insulted, brigaded, harrassed, abused and even threatened (someone wished me death due to my age, and nothing happened to him).

And i'm hearing, this particular sub forum has been in this state, for more than 10 years.

Which means, its made soley to advertise for Steam, as Steams employees (advertantly or inadvertantly), try to show us a mere nickel in effort to convince us it's fifty cents.

In other words, total horsepuckey in effort to silence critics.

Not a good look at all for Valve, or Mr Newell.

You don't welcome rigorous debate lol.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por dreyone:

Originalmente postado por KalCuey:

gross disrespect since you started

yet you made a second account to keep using them?

i smell something off with this

Steam discussion forums never fail to produce responses like this. Decades later and it's still the same nonsensical shilling and gaslighting

Yes I made a 2nd account because there was literally no way to play CS otherwise. Valve literally shut WON down. What part of that did you struggle with reading

I've received so many responses from users like you over the past ~2 decades. Enough of your shilling. Go shill somewhere else

They didn't shut WON down.

They were partnered with them. Developed Steam while partnered. Launched Steam and move their games off the WON service. WON shut down a few years later.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originalmente postado por dreyone:

I'm also pretty pissed off about this. I've been a steam user for over 17 years (this is my 2nd account, lost the password for the first one I made circa ~2004) and this is such blatant disrespect for your customers.

What makes Valve think you are in any position to dictate what operating systems your users use? What gives you the authority to try to pressure us into installing a worthless new operating system we don't want, just to keep playing games developed in the 1990s (like Half Life 1) that have worked beautifully on operating systems as old as Windows 98 for decades?

This is infuriating. Valve needs to stop. You've done nothing but ruin people's gaming experience since you shut down World Opponent Network and forced us to install this crap software just to keep playing Counter Strike. You introduced those insufferable loading bars for every little thing, launching the game meant having to wait half an hour for some bs "update", launching steam client, even connecting to a game server had a loading bar. You even changed the menu background from the super cool one we had before to the ugly and pedestrian one that it uses now.

I had to drop my resolution to 300x200 when Steam came out because the added lag of the steam client made the game unplayable at higher resolutions. It ran beautifully at 800x600 before that. It took literally like 5-10 years for hardware to catch up to the lag and bloat of Steam before we could even play CS comfortably on budget hardware.

Valve has consistently displayed gross disrespect for your paying customers for 2 decades now, and sadly, instead of looking at yourselves and doing better, you double down and continue with this legacy of blatant disrespect

Let me get this straight, you forgot your password, and didn't bother to do password forget on first account because???

Also if you claimed to actually been using Steam for 19 years, then you must know about 2007, and 2019 for windows 98 to Vista, and shouldn't been new to you knowing this.

Also if you had to drop 800x600, to 300x200 to play these 90s games, then clearly there a huge problem, that meant You're using a system that far too old & underpowered that having hard time to run OS + game to begin with, with an app in background. I assume you're using an APU dual core, or cpu dual core, with an really old gpu from early 2000s. I mean if is the case, then getting a modem $300 system will be 100x more powerful, may not care for performance, but the fact meant you have no issues, have support, and can actually play more demanding games instead of only 90s games that mostly 2D, or early 3D games, just saying.

[RasaNova]

Originalmente postado por xBCxRangers:

Originalmente postado por bidulless:

Hello

Most people of the "move and shutup" side are not very kindly most of the time .... i am agree that they should be more "bienveillant" before punching people on the face the first ime a new people come and write here something not aligned with their idea but i can easily think it's how things are working nowadays in every "social" forum.

I have no issue in they wanting to punch us. The issue i have, is we get banned if we punch back, while nothing happens to them.

I welcome a rigorous debate, but we just can't have one, if we're constantly insulted, brigaded, harrassed, abused and even threatened (someone wished me death due to my age, and nothing happened to him).

And i'm hearing, this particular sub forum has been in this state, for more than 10 years.

Which means, its made soley to advertise for Steam, as Steams employees (advertantly or inadvertantly), try to show us a mere nickel in effort to convince us it's fifty cents.

In other words, total horsepuckey in effort to silence critics.

Not a good look at all for Valve, or Mr Newell.

Lets see, what was your response last time I tried to take you seriously and have a rigorous debate with you? I believe it was something like "shut up nerd you sound like a girl" and so on. After which you accused ME of insulting YOU. In that one interaction over 2 or 3 replies you insulted, brigaded, harassed, and gaslit - all those things that you insist others do to you.

Forgive me for thinking you don't seem terribly sincere in your depiction of "us" vs "them."

At least you didn't openly wish death... I agree that is inexcusable.

[xBCxRangers]

Originalmente postado por RasaNova:

Originalmente postado por xBCxRangers:

I have no issue in they wanting to punch us. The issue i have, is we get banned if we punch back, while nothing happens to them.

I welcome a rigorous debate, but we just can't have one, if we're constantly insulted, brigaded, harrassed, abused and even threatened (someone wished me death due to my age, and nothing happened to him).

And i'm hearing, this particular sub forum has been in this state, for more than 10 years.

Which means, its made soley to advertise for Steam, as Steams employees (advertantly or inadvertantly), try to show us a mere nickel in effort to convince us it's fifty cents.

In other words, total horsepuckey in effort to silence critics.

Not a good look at all for Valve, or Mr Newell.

Lets see, what was your response last time I tried to take you seriously and have a rigorous debate with you? I believe it was something like "shut up nerd you sound like a girl" and so on. After which you accused ME of insulting YOU. In that one interaction over 2 or 3 replies you insulted, brigaded, harassed, and gaslit - all those things that you insist others do to you.

Forgive me for thinking you don't seem terribly sincere in your depiction of "us" vs "them."

At least you didn't openly wish death... I agree that is inexcusable.

If you got it, it's because you started it, and deserved it. You are condescending and insulting. Difference between you and i, is i get banned, and you don't.

If not for that, you will never see me, start an argument, of any kind. Unless my postes to Mr Newell is something "you" find insulting to you. If not for that, you'll never see me go after anyone, unless they do it to me.

[RasaNova]

Originalmente postado por xBCxRangers:

Originalmente postado por RasaNova:

Lets see, what was your response last time I tried to take you seriously and have a rigorous debate with you? I believe it was something like "shut up nerd you sound like a girl" and so on. After which you accused ME of insulting YOU. In that one interaction over 2 or 3 replies you insulted, brigaded, harassed, and gaslit - all those things that you insist others do to you.

Forgive me for thinking you don't seem terribly sincere in your depiction of "us" vs "them."

At least you didn't openly wish death... I agree that is inexcusable.

If you got it, it's because you started it, and deserved it. You are condescending and insulting. Difference between you and i, is i get banned, and you don't.

If not for that, you will never see me, start an argument, of any kind. Unless my postes to Mr Newell is something "you" find insulting to you. If not for that, you'll never see me go after anyone, unless they do it to me.

Nope, I never insulted you so you, so you are objectively mistaken. I've called you out on things that I find blatantly false, which is not the same thing. You call me condescending, yet you regularly try to make yourself out as being superior. Basically it seems to me like a lot of projection, gas lighting, and hypocrisy. But as I've said many times before, I will always admit when I'm wrong so if I insulted you then go ahead and show me where. Maybe I did without meaning to, or maybe you simply misunderstood something.

Because as long as you're going to talk about the differences between you and I - I try to always be civil and will admit my mistakes and shortcomings.

[xBCxRangers]

Originalmente postado por RasaNova:

Originalmente postado por xBCxRangers:

If you got it, it's because you started it, and deserved it. You are condescending and insulting. Difference between you and i, is i get banned, and you don't.

If not for that, you will never see me, start an argument, of any kind. Unless my postes to Mr Newell is something "you" find insulting to you. If not for that, you'll never see me go after anyone, unless they do it to me.

Nope, I never insulted you so you, so you are objectively mistaken. I've called you out on things that I find blatantly false, which is not the same thing. You call me condescending, yet you regularly try to make yourself out as being superior. Basically it seems to me like a lot of projection, gas lighting, and hypocrisy. But as I've said many times before, I will always admit when I'm wrong so if I insulted you then go ahead and show me where. Maybe I did without meaning to, or maybe you simply misunderstood something.

Because as long as you're going to talk about the differences between you and I - I try to always be civil and will admit my mistakes and shortcomings.

As far as superiority, and i think it does go to this thread, is that i, and folks like me, feel consumers have rights as to the products and services we buy, and redress for such.

You believe, we do not. That we have to shut up and take it.

My view, is not one of superiority, but basic dignity and rights that those in my country have, when we purchase a product or service.

I sincerely do not know how it goes elsewhere. Maybe they are countries of corprorate governance, and thus our misunderstandings.

However, i can assure, there is no sense if superiority, when you use your money, to pay someone else for a service or product. And the right thing for that business to do is appreciate their consumers for giving them their business, and their living.

We're happy with the product, and they're happy to serve us. That's how its supposed to work.

Not that i serve them, while giving them my money. Not that they serve me, w/o me giving them my money. And so, i hope i've addressed these misunderstandings.

[Iron Knights]

Originalmente postado por smkymcnugget420:

Originalmente postado por JR APOCALYPSE aka Slayer187:

Windows 7 is too old and a security risk so as long as you keep using 7 your PC is a security risk! Might as well just leave your homes front door open all day because that is what you are doing by using win 7. I would upgrade to win 10 not 11.

well that sounds like a me problem not a valve problem.

As of 2022 testing, Windows 10 has 2x the security holes of Windows 7.
Moot Argument. False premises & Lies.

[Iron Knights]

Originalmente postado por BlastARENA:

Hey OP, even if you don't want to upgrade to Windows 10 or **shudders** Windows 11, there's still some high-end Macs from 2017-now that have at least some support for Steam. Oh, and there's also tiny 11 and Windows 10 SuperLite edition, both custom Windows versions; the later made by somebody I will only refer to as "Spectre". Or how about Lubuntu,
Gentoo, Debian, LinuxMint, Fedora, Arch, or Manjaro OS, just to name some still-running Linux flavors? Your mileage will vary depending on a number of factors. Now, cut down on the salt if you can.

No Linux runs 3D games properly nor do they have their own Kernel built drivers, they rely on code imported from AMD & NVIDIA which doesn't port well. Nor are the developers interested in building a solid Linux distro that can play games developed for Windows.

[Wiawyr]

Originalmente postado por Iron Knights:

Originalmente postado por smkymcnugget420:

well that sounds like a me problem not a valve problem.

As of 2022 testing, Windows 10 has 2x the security holes of Windows 7.
Moot Argument. False premises & Lies.

Adding insult to injury, this article[arstechnica.com] was published a few days ago.

Originalmente postado por the article:

In July, security researchers revealed a sobering discovery: hundreds of pieces of malware used by multiple hacker groups to infect Windows devices had been digitally signed and validated as safe by Microsoft itself. On Tuesday, a different set of researchers made a similarly solemn announcement: Microsoft’s digital keys had been hijacked to sign yet more malware for use by a previously unknown threat actor in a supply-chain attack that infected roughly 100 carefully selected victims.

The malware, researchers from Symantec’s Threat Hunter Team reported, was digitally signed with a certificate for use in what is alternatively known as the Microsoft Windows Hardware Developer Program and the Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Program. The program is used to certify that device drivers—the software that runs deep inside the Windows kernel—come from a known source and that they can be trusted to securely access the deepest and most sensitive recesses of the operating system. Without the certification, drivers are ineligible to run on Windows.

...

Microsoft put the mandatory program in place with the launch of Windows 10. Attackers had long used drivers in post-exploit activities, meaning after hacking a system and gaining administrative access. While attackers could already install apps, steal passwords, and take other liberties, running code in the kernel allowed them to do things that would otherwise be impossible. For example, they could suppress warnings from endpoint detection and response systems and other defenses. Effective from then on, drivers that needed kernel access had to be digitally signed.

Windows 7 just keeps winning.

[Iron Knights]

YOUCH ! Thanks for that Info.

[Iron Knights]

Well, a policy needs changed - Buying Certificates from Microsoft. I bet they did not. Because the Feds. use the same passage to worm their way in.

[ImperatorPavel]

Originalmente postado por Wiawyr:

Originalmente postado por Iron Knights:

As of 2022 testing, Windows 10 has 2x the security holes of Windows 7.
Moot Argument. False premises & Lies.

Adding insult to injury, this article[arstechnica.com] was published a few days ago.

Originalmente postado por the article:

In July, security researchers revealed a sobering discovery: hundreds of pieces of malware used by multiple hacker groups to infect Windows devices had been digitally signed and validated as safe by Microsoft itself. On Tuesday, a different set of researchers made a similarly solemn announcement: Microsoft’s digital keys had been hijacked to sign yet more malware for use by a previously unknown threat actor in a supply-chain attack that infected roughly 100 carefully selected victims.

The malware, researchers from Symantec’s Threat Hunter Team reported, was digitally signed with a certificate for use in what is alternatively known as the Microsoft Windows Hardware Developer Program and the Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Program. The program is used to certify that device drivers—the software that runs deep inside the Windows kernel—come from a known source and that they can be trusted to securely access the deepest and most sensitive recesses of the operating system. Without the certification, drivers are ineligible to run on Windows.

...

Microsoft put the mandatory program in place with the launch of Windows 10. Attackers had long used drivers in post-exploit activities, meaning after hacking a system and gaining administrative access. While attackers could already install apps, steal passwords, and take other liberties, running code in the kernel allowed them to do things that would otherwise be impossible. For example, they could suppress warnings from endpoint detection and response systems and other defenses. Effective from then on, drivers that needed kernel access had to be digitally signed.

Windows 7 just keeps winning.

Interesting article. The reason for the program existing is not bad, in my opinion.

As with many other things, Microsoft could do it much better. Although that would also depend on how you interpret it. Microsoft made the program, but the article references other articles on Ars Technica about malicious actors getting access to those certificates via compromising other companies.

Ergo, not necessarily making it a Microsoft problem, but it still being a Microsoft problem because if they're gonna have this program for security, they should be watching the security practices of the companies they issue these certificates to.

I am unfortunately not technical enough to really understand it fully, however. So if I'm misinterpreting things please bear that in mind.