WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[Boblin the Goblin]

Aquafawks の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Except it isn't. It's still DX11.1.

According to you: a random person on the internet that decided to randomly come up with this random thing. Sorry but I don't believe anything you say, random person on the internet. I much rather go with an actual Microsoft employee and an actual blizzard employee both saying it runs DirectX 12 on Windows 7. So therefore it does do that. You can come up with anything you want but that won't change what they said. They stated it does run DirectX 12 on Windows 7. The game does run DirectX 12 on Windows 7.

Runs a library file(you can look in the install folder yourself) to allow certain DX12 features on Windows 7.

There's a reason that those features won't work without that file. It's because Win7 can't run DX12.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Runs a library file(you can look in the install folder yourself) to allow certain DX12 features on Windows 7.

There's a reason that those features won't work without that file. It's because Win7 can't run DX12.

And now you're coming up with a new second thing. No one said anything about any libraries, compatibility layers, or any of that stuff. That is not even what is being stated nor discussed here.

Why are you having such a difficult time understanding the words that they wrote in the public statements? You even acknowledged that you read and understand those two statements and yet you still continue with this random stuff as if you don't understand it. Even though you just said you do understand it. You are a very confusing person.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Aquafawks の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Runs a library file(you can look in the install folder yourself) to allow certain DX12 features on Windows 7.

There's a reason that those features won't work without that file. It's because Win7 can't run DX12.

And now you're coming up with a new second thing. No one said anything about any libraries, compatibility layers, or any of that stuff. That is not even what is being stated nor discussed here.

Why are you having such a difficult time understanding the words that they wrote in the public statements? You even acknowledged that you read and understand those two statements and yet you still continue with this random stuff as if you don't understand it. Even though you just said you do understand it. You are a very confusing person.

Not 'coming up' with anything. That's literally how it works for WoW.

If it doesn't have that modified file, there are no DX12 features because Win7 doesn't support DX12.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Not 'coming up' with anything.

Except you actually did exactly that in your own comments right here:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Except it isn't. It's still DX11.1.

In that statement you said World of Warcraft does not run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Then later right here in this comment:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Aquafawks の投稿を引用：

They clearly stated that the game runs DirectX 12 on Windows 7. It is right there in clear and plain text.

I know what they said.

You acknowledged that it does run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Could you please make up your mind as to what it is that you are trying to say here? One moment you are saying one thing then a few replies later you say the opposite thing. I have no idea what it is you are actually trying to say at this point.

[Crashed]

Aquafawks の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Not 'coming up' with anything.

Except you actually did exactly that in your own comments right here:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Except it isn't. It's still DX11.1.

In that statement you said World of Warcraft does not run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Then later right here in this comment:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

I know what they said.

You acknowledged that it does run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Could you please make up your mind as to what it is that you are trying to say here? One moment you are saying one thing then a few replies later you say the opposite thing. I have no idea what it is you are actually trying to say at this point.

Still, it's only a subset of the functionality as Windows 7 drivers don't support DDI 12.

[Iron Knights]

I said this before and I will say it again - Win 7 to Win 10 is NOT an upgrade, a tech. leap forward, an advancement in Hardware, an advancement in Software, functionality.
It does not equate the jumps made in the past, AT ALL:
Dos 3.1 to Win 98.
Win 98 to Win NT.
Win NT to Win XP.
Win XP to Win 7.
There are 0 benefits of using Win 10 over Win 7, not 1 desired by gamers.
As far as security concerns to date Win 10 has 30% more security holes vs Win 7.
But the pages of non-argument slander & cursing continue from shills & paid actors.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

There are 0 benefits of using Win 10 over Win 7, not 1 desired by gamers.

RTX / Ray Tracing, Nvidia DLSS, AMD FSR, Nvidia RTX I/O, DirectX 12 Ultimate, all of these are *VERY* desirable things that gamers really want and enjoy having in Windows 10. They are not possible in Windows 7. I think perhaps you 'forgot' about those things.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

I said this before and I will say it again - Win 7 to Win 10 is NOT an upgrade, a tech. leap forward, an advancement in Hardware, an advancement in Software, functionality.
It does not equate the jumps made in the past, AT ALL:
Dos 3.1 to Win 98.
Win 98 to Win NT.
Win NT to Win XP.
Win XP to Win 7.
There are 0 benefits of using Win 10 over Win 7, not 1 desired by gamers.
As far as security concerns to date Win 10 has 30% more security holes vs Win 7.
But the pages of non-argument slander & cursing continue from shills & paid actors.

Yes if you complain hard enough maybe someone might show you some pity. Otherwise it's an upgrade, even if you like it, or not, or just use Linux, or dual boot.

[Komarimaru]

Aquafawks の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Not 'coming up' with anything.

Except you actually did exactly that in your own comments right here:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Except it isn't. It's still DX11.1.

In that statement you said World of Warcraft does not run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Then later right here in this comment:

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

I know what they said.

You acknowledged that it does run DirectX 12 in Windows 7.

Could you please make up your mind as to what it is that you are trying to say here? One moment you are saying one thing then a few replies later you say the opposite thing. I have no idea what it is you are actually trying to say at this point.

It does not run DX12. Even the articles you link, lead to other links saying it's a Translation Layer.

From the article you linked.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/samples/microsoft/directx-graphics-samples/d3d12-12-on-7-sample-win32/

And
https://microsoft.github.io/DirectX-Specs/d3d/D3D12onWin7.html

Where the documentation tells you in the sample, it's not DX12, it's D3D12on7 which is not the same, and why you can't code for it as you would on Windows 10 and above. Which I find funny, since they ask you code it to Work on Windows 10 as well using the normal DX12 libraries for the game/software and only have a OS check to use D3D12on7 for Windows 7 only.

So compatibility layer would be semi-incorrect if you want to use their definitions, but translation layer is correct. They even warn that many DX12 features found on 10 and above, won't work on D3D12on7.

So it's official name is D3D12on7, not DX12, since lacks many DX12 components that are built into the kernel and 10 and above and won't work no matter the drivers/hardware you have. This is why only 2 games ever used it, it's a mess and you have to jump through hoops to get it to work right, and still not even fully functional.

[Iron Knights]

DX 12 is yet to prove its efficiency over DX 11, as experts tested 5% in best cases is not an improvement. DX12 can run on Win 7. As any new software not blocked for OS Version can.
The OS version check is an impediment put there by Developers. Win 7 & Win 10 can run in both 64bit & 32bit, thus compatible with any software designed for Windows.

[Komarimaru]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

DX 12 is yet to prove its efficiency over DX 11, as experts tested 5% in best cases is not an improvement. DX12 can run on Win 7. As any new software not blocked for OS Version can.
The OS version check is an impediment put there by Developers. Win 7 & Win 10 can run in both 64bit & 32bit, thus compatible with any software designed for Windows.

Since only two games can run on Windows 7 with a DX12 translation layer, this comment is obviously false.

[Iron Knights]

Ray tracing will be dumped sooner or later, too much resource munching for too little results. However, those are not OS limited software and I ran Mantle & Vulkan drivers on Win 7.
Driver features will run on older OS.

[Komarimaru]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

Ray tracing will be dumped sooner or later, too much resource munching for too little results. However, those are not OS limited software and I ran Mantle & Vulkan drivers on Win 7.
Driver features will run on older OS.

No one makes drivers for Windows 7 anymore. DX12 is developed from Vulkan.

Ray Tracing isn't going anywhere. That should have been obvious once it hit consoles, since the effects are amazing.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

It does not run DX12.

According to the World of Warcraft Community manager it does. This is a quote of their words:

We are pleased to announce that with today’s content update, World of Warcraft will now support DirectX 12 on Windows 7.

It is right there in normal English plain text.

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

From the article you linked.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/samples/microsoft/directx-graphics-samples/d3d12-12-on-7-sample-win32/

And
https://microsoft.github.io/DirectX-Specs/d3d/D3D12onWin7.html

Where? These are the two pages I linked:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409
And:
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/world-of-warcraft-uses-directx-12-running-on-windows-7/
I just sat here and re-read both articles. I can not see any direct links in the articles to those things that you claimed.

[Getty]

Why are we still arguing this? I love 7, but it's going to be dropped. If people haven't gotten it by now, they won't get it. Corporations like Valve only care about profits, they don't care about morals or integrity. If they're a publicly traded company (no clue), they have a legal obligation to shareholders to make a profit. Meaning, even if they cared and would sacrifice profit, they couldn't. If they aren't, you still won't convince the management to receive less in bonuses. That is the nature of our society, for better or worse. 7 users like me are too much of a minority for them to care about. Let the Win7 people who think Valve should care complain in their own echo chamber and move on. This thread is getting ridiculous. The fact that Steam hasn't shut it down proves they allow quite a bit on their forums.