WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[AbedsBrother]

引用自 Komarimaru：

引用自 Aquafawks：

This not true. DirectX-12 is possible on Windows 7: World of Warcraft runs in DirectX-12 mode in Windows 7. See here for more information: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409

This is a public information post directly from The World of Warcraft Community Manager on the Blizzard WoW forums.


That is not true and I'm fairly certain you know it's not true. Steam it's self *IS* the DRM here. If you close and exit steam games then try to run a steam game directly by it's EXE file without the steam client running it will start up the steam client and make us login to steam before the game will start. That's DRM. All steam games are all DRM'd through steam. Purposefully spreading misinformation like that is really not cool.

Windows 7 can run DX 11_3, not DX12 Ultimate. Aka, two games to ever user it. WoW and CP 2077. CP 2077 dropped support for Windows 7, since can't run DX12 Ultimate.

You'll also notice, for Windows 7 supporting DX12, no DX12 features like DLSS, Raytracing etc can be enabled, since not really DX12, but DX11_3 which is part of DX12 base level.

Yeah, it's a DX11-fallback mode for DX12. So technically Win7 runs a game using DX12, but as you stated it doesn't use any DX12 features.

Same thing with DX11, which had a DX10 fallback. That's how a gpu like the Radeon HD4870 (which ran up to DX10.1) could run Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag (which is DX11-only).

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

引用自 Komarimaru：

Uh huh... And how it actually was, was Blizzard paid Microsoft a large sum of money to try and implement DX12 on Windows 7. Why it's so limited.

No one (not me) ever discussed why or how it worked. Only that it worked period.

引用自 Komarimaru：

So no, Windows 7 cannot run DX12 titles.

I never claimed that windows 7 can run all DirectX 12 games. Again: I never wrote that that. I only mentioned World of Warcraft, the 1 game that supports it.

I would like to ask you yet again to please avoid making up things I did not write. I've had just about enough of that from you. This is now borderline harassment as you continue to do this repeatedly.

[Komarimaru]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Komarimaru：

Uh huh... And how it actually was, was Blizzard paid Microsoft a large sum of money to try and implement DX12 on Windows 7. Why it's so limited.

No one (not me) ever discussed why or how it worked. Only that it worked period.

引用自 Komarimaru：

So no, Windows 7 cannot run DX12 titles.

I never claimed that windows 7 can run all DirectX 12 games. Again: I never wrote that that. I only mentioned World of Warcraft, the 1 game that supports it.

I would like to ask you yet again to please avoid making up things I did not write. I've had just about enough of that from you. This is now borderline harassment as you continue to do this repeatedly.

You said...

引用自 Aquafawks：

This not true. DirectX-12 is possible on Windows 7: World of Warcraft runs in DirectX-12 mode in Windows 7. See here for more information: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409

This is a public information post directly from The World of Warcraft Community Manager on the Blizzard WoW forums.

Implying that WoW is running true DX12, which it is not. Also implying that Windows 7 can run DX12 titles, which it cannot....

I didn't make a single thing up. You posted it, not me. Correcting wrong information is not harassment either, nice try.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 Aquafawks：

引用自 Komarimaru：

Uh huh... And how it actually was, was Blizzard paid Microsoft a large sum of money to try and implement DX12 on Windows 7. Why it's so limited.

No one (not me) ever discussed why or how it worked. Only that it worked period.

引用自 Komarimaru：

So no, Windows 7 cannot run DX12 titles.

I never claimed that windows 7 can run all DirectX 12 games. Again: I never wrote that that. I only mentioned World of Warcraft, the 1 game that supports it.

I would like to ask you yet again to please avoid making up things I did not write. I've had just about enough of that from you. This is now borderline harassment as you continue to do this repeatedly.

It can't run any DX12 games.

WoW requires a compatibility layer.

If Win7 could run DX12 games, it would run Diablo 4 without needing the file that WoW uses since it is a DX12 games.

[bidulless]

引用自 Aquafawks：

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NO! That is NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL. I did not mean that. I did not say that. I did not write that. Please do not make up and fabricate things I did not say and did not write. That is very rude.

Hello

Do not waste your time with this gang ...

they know everything better than people involve in the part they are trying to talk about like the link someone posted and i quoted, even if they never tryed to code in c and asm and get involv into this game like the link was refered by, as a programmer and using a old trick :
- homme de pailles ...
Funny because how can we trust jo more than an official ...
/s

[Master.Constructor]

It doesn't matter what Win7 can or cannot do. We have paid money for software that runs on Win7.

[Komarimaru]

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Aquafawks：

]
NO! That is NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL. I did not mean that. I did not say that. I did not write that. Please do not make up and fabricate things I did not say and did not write. That is very rude.

Hello

Do not waste your time with this gang ...

they know everything better than people involve in the part they are trying to talk about like the link someone posted and i quoted, even if they never tryed to code in c and asm and get involv into this game like the link was refered by as a programmer using a old trick :
- homme de pailles ...
Funnu because how can we trust jo more than an official ...
/s

Quite obviously more than you as is apparent.

How's this for a stawman. Windows 7 doesn't support TLS 1.3, yet you get a psuedo version to semi work(It can't fully work due to the kernel), yet then claim Windows 7 supports it, when obviously it does not in any native way. That's a strawman.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Aquafawks：

]
NO! That is NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL. I did not mean that. I did not say that. I did not write that. Please do not make up and fabricate things I did not say and did not write. That is very rude.

Hello

Do not waste your time with this gang ...

they know everything better than people involve in the part they are trying to talk about like the link someone posted and i quoted, even if they never tryed to code in c and asm and get involv into this game like the link was refered by as a programmer using a old trick :
- homme de pailles ...
Funnu because how can we trust jo more than an official ...
/s

You literally tried to say a DNS tunnel meant there was no telemetry being sent from your system.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

At this point, I really can't wait until this update happens and these threads are locked as there will be nothing left to discuss. They refuse to see the past. These threads did not help XP or Vista, yet somehow they think it will help Windows 7 and 8 and 8.1. Arguing with them as pointless, because it has nothing to do with them being able to afford an upgrade or that every game they mention not being compatible with Windows 10 or 11 because it is indeed compatible. They just do not want to upgrade.

[bidulless]

引用自 Komarimaru：

引用自 bidulless：

Hello

Do not waste your time with this gang ...

they know everything better than people involve in the part they are trying to talk about like the link someone posted and i quoted, even if they never tryed to code in c and asm and get involv into this game like the link was refered by as a programmer using a old trick :
- homme de pailles ...
Funnu because how can we trust jo more than an official ...
/s

Quite obviously more than you as is apparent.

How's this for a stawman. Windows 7 doesn't support TLS 1.3, yet you get a psuedo version to semi work(It can't fully work due to the kernel), yet then claim Windows 7 supports it, when obviously it does not in any native way. That's a strawman.

Hello

No need to waste more my time with you here i prefer playing ...
https://i.postimg.cc/d3tJvzTf/1321-Capture.jpg

You're always using the same kind of rethoriic technic ... do not abuse 'l'homme de paille'

[Komarimaru]

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Komarimaru：

Quite obviously more than you as is apparent.

How's this for a stawman. Windows 7 doesn't support TLS 1.3, yet you get a psuedo version to semi work(It can't fully work due to the kernel), yet then claim Windows 7 supports it, when obviously it does not in any native way. That's a strawman.

Hello

No need to waste more my time with you here i prefer play ...
https://i.postimg.cc/d3tJvzTf/1321-Capture.jpg

You're always using the same kind of rethoriic technic ... do not abuse 'l'homme de paille'

Again, did you not install something, to make it happen? True or false?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Let me ask Windows 7 users a question. Why do you think that just because you spend money on a platform, that it gives you the right to dictate its' upgrade path?

It doesn't. No platform is going to give its' community the ability to dictate that path because eventually, that platform would have to support every OS under the sun and that is just not financially feasible. You knew the terms when you signed up for this service or you should have known them.

Windows 7 has already been supported by Valve longer than Microsoft. Why Valve should be expected to just keep going and going and going, is illogical.

[bidulless]

引用自 Komarimaru：

引用自 bidulless：

Hello

No need to waste more my time with you here i prefer play ...
https://i.postimg.cc/d3tJvzTf/1321-Capture.jpg

You're always using the same kind of rethoriic technic ... do not abuse 'l'homme de paille'

Again, did you not install something, to make it happen? True or false?

Hello
Nothing
i allready told you before that all browsers and steam are natively supporting and using tls 1.3 under w7 ...
i was a bit sacastic at end by presenting you my apologiize but thought you would understand ...
And i do not really care about because you are surelly helping more people taking the good choice than i could so ...

[Komarimaru]

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Komarimaru：

Again, did you not install something, to make it happen? True or false?

Hello
Nothing
i allready told you before that all browsers and steam are natively supporting and using tls 1.3 under w7 ...
i was a bit sacastic at end by presenting my apologiize but thought you would understand ...
And i do not really care about because you are surelly helping more people taking the good choice than i could so ...

Oh, you didn't setup anything at all to change it?
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3801650156485922166/?ctp=32#c3812910932495548034

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Komarimaru：

Vista and XP don't internally support even 1.2. 7 Doesn't internally support 1.3.

Hello

You really always want to have the last word by saying bs everytime you can ....

Do not try to wording me also.
You did not know that the shell was using openssl and tls 1.3 , even the steamwebhelper ? lol
omw to gaming , it's a lot better than feeding them ..

Aka, you're trolling and lying.

Windows 7 does not support TLS 1.3 After January, you'll discover what this means with Steam. Come the middle of 2024, you'll learn even more.

[bidulless]

引用自 Komarimaru：

引用自 bidulless：

Hello
Nothing
i allready told you before that all browsers and steam are natively supporting and using tls 1.3 under w7 ...
i was a bit sacastic at end by presenting my apologiize but thought you would understand ...
And i do not really care about because you are surelly helping more people taking the good choice than i could so ...

Oh, you didn't setup anything at all to change it?
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3801650156485922166/?ctp=32#c3812910932495548034

引用自 bidulless：

Hello

You really always want to have the last word by saying bs everytime you can ....

Do not try to wording me also.
You did not know that the shell was using openssl and tls 1.3 , even the steamwebhelper ? lol
omw to gaming , it's a lot better than feeding them ..

Aka, you're trolling and lying.

Windows 7 does not support TLS 1.3 After January, you'll discover what this means with Steam. Come the middle of 2024, you'll learn even more.

Hello

Ok; go down a bit plz...

Setup a vm using w7 and do tests by yourself and when you became more reasonable may be we can continue to chat and exchange together ...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3801650156485922166/?ctp=36#c3812910932498865834