WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

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I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

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What are you even talking about? Do you even know? The game you linked won't even run under Windows 7, so no idea what you're trying to prove other than you don't know what you're talking about.

Hello

Read it better ,

i allready said ; do not try to word me, this game does not run under w7

There's nothing to read. You said DX12 ultimate is an API within an API. That's ignorance abound right there.

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Hello

Read it better ,

i allready said ; do not try to word me, this game does not run under w7

There's nothing to read. You said DX12 ultimate is an API within an API. That's ignorance abound right there.

Hello

Continue, you're funny , like with tls ,)
So yes i TRUST a community manager better than a random jo ... sorry

[Komarimaru]

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There's nothing to read. You said DX12 ultimate is an API within an API. That's ignorance abound right there.

Hello

Continue, you're funny , like with tls ,)
So yes i TRUST a comunity manager better than a random jo ... sorry

What community manager? A person who talks to people on the forums? You think DX12 Ultimate is an API in an API, when it's a feature level of DX12. DX12 came in many feature levels, that's a fact. Here's another fact, you don't know anything about it.

[bidulless]

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Hello

Continue, you're funny , like with tls ,)
So yes i TRUST a comunity manager better than a random jo ... sorry

What community manager? A person who talks to people on the forums? You think DX12 Ultimate is an API in an API, when it's a feature level of DX12. DX12 came in many feature levels, that's a fact. Here's another fact, you don't know anything about it.

Hello

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409
Don't you see the tag of the people writing ?
Kaivax
1169 posts
Community Manager
omwb to dd ,tu me soules .... ( sorry no clue how to translate that in english) ( you tired me ; may be a good translate )

[Komarimaru]

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What community manager? A person who talks to people on the forums? You think DX12 Ultimate is an API in an API, when it's a feature level of DX12. DX12 came in many feature levels, that's a fact. Here's another fact, you don't know anything about it.

Hello

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409
Don't you see the tag of the people writing ?

Oh, a post from almost 5 years ago. Hey, quick question oh smart one. Why can't you enable all the DX12 features in WoW, in Windows 7 then? Even if have the supported hardware and drivers? Care to explain that? Oh, you can't? Here, let me help you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_levels_in_Direct3D

Feature levels, is why. Not, API in an API. God you post the dumbest things at times lol.

Notice how Windows 10 had to be updated for each feature level as well? Ya... Guess how many updates Windows 7 got? I can tell you. Zero... It's running DX12 level 1, aka DX11.3, just to take advantage of the performance gain with multithreading.

That's it... Sorry, guess you should have researched more before posting, yet again.

[Lixire]

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What community manager? A person who talks to people on the forums? You think DX12 Ultimate is an API in an API, when it's a feature level of DX12. DX12 came in many feature levels, that's a fact. Here's another fact, you don't know anything about it.

Hello

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409
Don't you see the tag of the people writing ?
Kaivax
1169 posts
Community Manager
omwb to dd ,tu me soules .... ( sorry no clue how to translate that in english) ( you tired me ; may be a good translate )

Windows 7 has access only for the most basic feature level of DX12 i.e 11_0
and even then its limited to very specific games.

Windows 10 2004+ supports the complete DX12 suite aka DX12 Ultimate. which is version 12_2.

[Lixire]

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Hello

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/world-of-warcraft-supports-directx-12-on-windows-7/121409
Don't you see the tag of the people writing ?

Oh, a post from almost 5 years ago. Hey, quick question oh smart one. Why can't you enable all the DX12 features in WoW, in Windows 7 then? Even if have the supported hardware and drivers? Care to explain that? Oh, you can't? Here, let me help you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_levels_in_Direct3D

Feature levels, is why. Not, API in an API. God you post the dumbest things at times lol.

Notice how Windows 10 had to be updated for each feature level as well? Ya... Guess how many updates Windows 7 got? I can tell you. Zero... It's running DX12 level 1, aka DX11.3, just to take advantage of the performance gain with multithreading.

That's it... Sorry, guess you should have researched more before posting, yet again.

7 doesn't even support DX11.3. hell, not even 11.1. You get 11.0 with some 11.1 features

[Komarimaru]

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Oh, a post from almost 5 years ago. Hey, quick question oh smart one. Why can't you enable all the DX12 features in WoW, in Windows 7 then? Even if have the supported hardware and drivers? Care to explain that? Oh, you can't? Here, let me help you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_levels_in_Direct3D

Feature levels, is why. Not, API in an API. God you post the dumbest things at times lol.

Notice how Windows 10 had to be updated for each feature level as well? Ya... Guess how many updates Windows 7 got? I can tell you. Zero... It's running DX12 level 1, aka DX11.3, just to take advantage of the performance gain with multithreading.

That's it... Sorry, guess you should have researched more before posting, yet again.

7 doesn't even support DX11.3. hell, not even 11.1. You get 11.0 with some 11.1 features

CP 2077 supported 11.3. But CDProjektRed has since said they will no longer support Windows 7 due to the limitations of the OS.

Why I listed it, showing that 1 out of the 2 ever games to exist for Windows 7+DX12, one already pulled out.

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Windows 7 can run DX 11_3, not DX12 Ultimate.

No one said anything about DX12 Ultimate. They stated a comment about "DirectX 12 in Windows 7" so I responded with information about "DirectX 12 in Windows 7". I did not write anything about DirectX 12 Ultimate at all. The person I quoted also did not write anything about DirectX 12 Ultimate either. No one in this thread was ever discussing DirectX 12 Ultimate at all before you came here and said it yourself. You started that. Not me. Not the person I quoted. No one else but you.

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You'll also notice, for Windows 7 supporting DX12, no DX12 features like DLSS, Raytracing etc can be enabled, since not really DX12, but DX11_3 which is part of DX12 base level.

Again for the second time: I and the person I quoted were not discussing DLSS, nor Raytracing, nor anything else. We were only talking about DirectX 12 it's self period. Nothing more.

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And when someone mentions DX12, they mean the latest iteration.

NO! That is NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL. I did not mean that. I did not say that. I did not write that. Please do not make up and fabricate things I did not say and did not write. That is very rude.

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Windows 7 can run DX 11_3, not DX12 Ultimate.

No one said anything about DX12 Ultimate. They stated a comment about "DirectX 12 in Windows 7" so I responded with information about "DirectX 12 in Windows 7". I did not write anything about DirectX 12 Ultimate at all. The person I quoted also did not write anything about DirectX 12 Ultimate either. No one in this thread was ever discussing DirectX 12 Ultimate at all before you came here and said it yourself. You started that. Not me. Not the person I quoted. No one else but you.

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You'll also notice, for Windows 7 supporting DX12, no DX12 features like DLSS, Raytracing etc can be enabled, since not really DX12, but DX11_3 which is part of DX12 base level.

Again for the second time: I and the person I quoted were not discussing DLSS, nor Raytracing, nor anything else. We were only talking about DirectX 12 it's self period. Nothing more.

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And when someone mentions DX12, they mean the latest iteration.

NO! That is NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL. I did not mean that. I did not say that. I did not write that. Please do not make up and fabricate things I did not say and did not write. That is very rude.

And I'll say the same to you. If Windows 7 can run DX12, why can't Windows 7 users, with the required hardware and drivers, not enable said DX12 features?

Or better yet, why is it only two games ever existed to run on Windows 7 and DX12?

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And I'll say the same to you. If Windows 7 can run DX12, why can't Windows 7 users, with the required hardware and drivers, not enable said DX12 features?

Or better yet, why is it only two games ever existed to run on Windows 7 and DX12?

Because the companies that own those games worked with Microsoft to allow it only for those games.

The bottom line (and the only reason I wrote my comment) is this: Someone stated Windows 7 can not use DirectX 12 at all. That statement was false. I provided information showing that some games can use DirectX 12 in Windows 7. That is it. That's all that was discussed. No one said anything about any "DirectX 12 features", DLSS, Raytracing, or anything else at all other than just DirectX 12.

[Komarimaru]

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And I'll say the same to you. If Windows 7 can run DX12, why can't Windows 7 users, with the required hardware and drivers, not enable said DX12 features?

Or better yet, why is it only two games ever existed to run on Windows 7 and DX12?

Because the companies that own those games worked with Microsoft to allow it only for those games.

The bottom line (and the only reason I wrote my comment) is this: Someone stated Windows 7 can not use DirectX 12 at all. That statement was false. I provided information showing that some games can use DirectX 12 in Windows 7. That is it. That's all that was discussed. No one said anything about any "DirectX 12 features", DLSS, Raytracing, or anything else at all other than just DirectX 12.

Uh huh... And how it actually was, was Blizzard paid Microsoft a large sum of money to try and implement DX12 on Windows 7. Why it's so limited. And the only reason CP2077 used the method that Blizzard paid for, was to keep a promise to support older Operating Systems(Big mistake obviously) which also led to them keeping their promise of supporting the PS4(Another big mistake and a disaster of greater proporitions)

So no, Windows 7 cannot run DX12 titles. It can run two DX12 games via translation layer.(3 if you copy over the DX12 translation file from WoW to Diablo 4)

[Lixire]

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And I'll say the same to you. If Windows 7 can run DX12, why can't Windows 7 users, with the required hardware and drivers, not enable said DX12 features?

Or better yet, why is it only two games ever existed to run on Windows 7 and DX12?

Because the companies that own those games worked with Microsoft to allow it only for those games.

The bottom line (and the only reason I wrote my comment) is this: Someone stated Windows 7 can not use DirectX 12 at all. That statement was false. I provided information showing that some games can use DirectX 12 in Windows 7. That is it. That's all that was discussed. No one said anything about any "DirectX 12 features", DLSS, Raytracing, or anything else at all other than just DirectX 12.

DX12 Ultimate is simply the latest version of that API.
DirectX 12 kept on getting more and more features/reworks as time went on with newer Windows 10 builds and the same goes for Windows 11 that if you want full support for DirectStorage then you need the newer OS as Win10 doesn't have the BypassIO function.

Its not that developers aren't allowed to support 7. Its just that no developer would want to force themselves for the oldest version as its simply the most limiting one in terms of options and requires more time to write workarounds to make better use out of newer hardware + spend more time on testing and validation.

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7 doesn't even support DX11.3. hell, not even 11.1. You get 11.0 with some 11.1 features

CP 2077 supported 11.3. But CDProjektRed has since said they will no longer support Windows 7 due to the limitations of the OS.

Why I listed it, showing that 1 out of the 2 ever games to exist for Windows 7+DX12, one already pulled out.

I did look at the matter and nope. its 11_0 with some 11_1 features added through the 2014 updates.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3darticles/platform-update-for-windows-7?redirectedfrom=MSDN

Win7 doesn't support WDDM 1.2 and later. so its limited to the very minimum feature set

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CP 2077 supported 11.3. But CDProjektRed has since said they will no longer support Windows 7 due to the limitations of the OS.

Why I listed it, showing that 1 out of the 2 ever games to exist for Windows 7+DX12, one already pulled out.

I did look at the matter and nope. its 11_0 with some 11_1 features added through the 2014 updates.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3darticles/platform-update-for-windows-7?redirectedfrom=MSDN

Win7 doesn't support WDDM 1.2 and later. so its limited to the very minimum feature set

Oh, you're right. I derped and thought DXGI was WDDM. My mistake.