WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[lailaamell]

Alex lähetti viestin:

C²C^Guyver |NZB| lähetti viestin:

https://youtu.be/GVwtVloKfeM

It's like they think we're not going to search for anything to qualify or disqualify the remarks.

yup actually most games that "don't work" only take couple lines of code fix unlesss... your like persona or one of those really old games thats where issues arise , for a example instead of giving us the international persona 5 they gave us the Japanese build and for older games you need to rewrite them or to remake them

but thats not what i think they define as working

[bidulless]

lailaamell95 lähetti viestin:

Alex lähetti viestin:

yup actually most games that "don't work" only take couple lines of code fix unlesss... your like persona or one of those really old games thats where issues arise , for a example instead of giving us the international persona 5 they gave us the Japanese build and for older games you need to rewrite them or to remake them

but thats not what i think they define as working

Hello

How could you conclude that d2 is working in this bs video?

I am really curious because we did not seen it running : all we have seen is a guys changing shortcut properties nothing else.
And he was changing the shortcut of rockstar game launcher ... so where is d2 ??

[D. Flame]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 lähetti viestin:

D. Flame lähetti viestin:

DIablo 2 would not work on Win 10 either. Just google it, and you will see plenty of examples of this being mentioned repeatedly.

You're kind of correct there but not really. If you try and install Diablo2 from the original CD's then yes, it won't work in windows 10. However if you add your original diablo2 CD Keys to an battle.net account through the battle.net client it will register the game to that account. Then if we install the game through the battle.net client it will download a version of Diablo 2 that will be updated, patched, and work 100% normally on Windows 10.

"I would have found that forest by now if someone didn't put all these trees in my way..."

The original CDs not working is the point. Diablo 2 was a big enough game that they gave you alternatives, which proves my point. A lot of less popular games would have had similar install CD methods, but not the popularity to secure alternate install methods like Battle Net or remakes.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

D. Flame lähetti viestin:

"I would have found that forest by now if someone didn't put all these trees in my way..."

The original CDs not working is the point. Diablo 2 was a big enough game that they gave you alternatives, which proves my point. A lot of less popular games would have had similar install CD methods, but not the popularity to secure alternate install methods like Battle Net or remakes.

I don't care how it is "working" but you claimed D2 doesn't work on windows 10 and that's just not true. It does. If you install it correctly. Besides all of that your point is mostly irrelevant anyway. Most people aren't playing games that were released on CD in 2023. Most computers haven't even had optical drives in them for several years now.

[Komarimaru]

I've been playing all my Safedisc/Securerom games on Windows 10, since know how to do it. Heavy Metal FAKK2, Alice, etc etc.

All it takes is a little research of 1 minute, and 30 seconds of work, and done.

[Sayonara]

Neither Google, Microsoft or Valve can force me to update to a system that I don't want.. You'll just lose customers this way!

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Sayonara lähetti viestin:

Neither Google, Microsoft or Valve can force me to update to a system that I don't want.. You'll just lose customers this way!

And you will slowly lose your ability to use your computer. They can't force you to update but at the same time you won't be able to do the things you enjoy with your computer over time. Web browsers already won't update for windows 7 any more, which means soon you won't be able to connect to any websites at all. Then also Steam is going away for you and you won't be able to play games on Steam anymore.

So yes you don't have to update. But at the same time you don't really have a lot of things you can still do with your computer. Unless you want to only play old CD based games, never look at websites again and live with the realization that every time you turn on your computer you are vulnerable to any number of different security threats that can't be patched and can't be fixed because Microsoft won't release updates for you anymore.

It's your choice of course but I don't really understand why anyone would subject themselves to something like that.

[D. Flame]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 lähetti viestin:

D. Flame lähetti viestin:

"I would have found that forest by now if someone didn't put all these trees in my way..."

The original CDs not working is the point. Diablo 2 was a big enough game that they gave you alternatives, which proves my point. A lot of less popular games would have had similar install CD methods, but not the popularity to secure alternate install methods like Battle Net or remakes.

I don't care how it is "working" but you claimed D2 doesn't work on windows 10 and that's just not true. It does. If you install it correctly. Besides all of that your point is mostly irrelevant anyway. Most people aren't playing games that were released on CD in 2023. Most computers haven't even had optical drives in them for several years now.

No, I didn't. I said it wasn't working, past tense, and then I proved it.

[Komarimaru]

D. Flame lähetti viestin:

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 lähetti viestin:

I don't care how it is "working" but you claimed D2 doesn't work on windows 10 and that's just not true. It does. If you install it correctly. Besides all of that your point is mostly irrelevant anyway. Most people aren't playing games that were released on CD in 2023. Most computers haven't even had optical drives in them for several years now.

No, I didn't. I said it wasn't working, past tense, and then I proved it.

And yet, those who know what they are doing, it takes under 2 minutes to get a fresh install of Windows 10 or 11 to play old Securerom and Safedisc games.

[lailaamell]

bidulless lähetti viestin:

lailaamell95 lähetti viestin:

but thats not what i think they define as working

Hello

How could you conclude that d2 is working in this bs video?

I am really curious because we did not seen it running : all we have seen is a guys changing shortcut properties nothing else.
And he was changing the shortcut of rockstar game launcher ... so where is d2 ??

i mean they might mean it work out of box

[Crashed]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

Heh, someone linking a safedisc/securerom title as not working. Yet they don't bother to see how you can enable it in Windows 10 and 11 if want to.

Yes, it was disabled due to the security flaws and exploits many malware were using, there's ways to bypass it.

Wasn't so much disabled as the third party driver was simply omitted. And there are even ways to load the driver - https://github.com/ericwj/PsSecDrv

[Crashed]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

D. Flame lähetti viestin:

No, I didn't. I said it wasn't working, past tense, and then I proved it.

And yet, those who know what they are doing, it takes under 2 minutes to get a fresh install of Windows 10 or 11 to play old Securerom and Safedisc games.

SecuROM is just a matter of inserting the disc and playing - it was incorrectly flagged by the gaming media despite it having nothing to do with Safedisc and it not requiring any kernel-mode drivers to operate.
That said, many drives sold today may be hit-or-miss with the disc authentication and may require multiple tries to launch the game.

[Komarimaru]

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

Heh, someone linking a safedisc/securerom title as not working. Yet they don't bother to see how you can enable it in Windows 10 and 11 if want to.

Yes, it was disabled due to the security flaws and exploits many malware were using, there's ways to bypass it.

Wasn't so much disabled as the third party driver was simply omitted. And there are even ways to load the driver - https://github.com/ericwj/PsSecDrv

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

And yet, those who know what they are doing, it takes under 2 minutes to get a fresh install of Windows 10 or 11 to play old Securerom and Safedisc games.

SecuROM is just a matter of inserting the disc and playing - it was incorrectly flagged by the gaming media despite it having nothing to do with Safedisc and it not requiring any kernel-mode drivers to operate.
That said, many drives sold today may be hit-or-miss with the disc authentication and may require multiple tries to launch the game.

I mean, that's kinda my point. They make it sound impossible, when in most cases the issues are newer harder on older games, not the operating system with things not enabled(though easily are re-enabled)

[Crashed]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Wasn't so much disabled as the third party driver was simply omitted. And there are even ways to load the driver - https://github.com/ericwj/PsSecDrv

Crashed lähetti viestin:

SecuROM is just a matter of inserting the disc and playing - it was incorrectly flagged by the gaming media despite it having nothing to do with Safedisc and it not requiring any kernel-mode drivers to operate.
That said, many drives sold today may be hit-or-miss with the disc authentication and may require multiple tries to launch the game.

I mean, that's kinda my point. They make it sound impossible, when in most cases the issues are newer harder on older games, not the operating system with things not enabled(though easily are re-enabled)

And sideloading the Safedisc driver won't solve the problem of grumpy drives either. Especially when its protection is implemented by deliberately encoding sectors in a non-compliant manner and forcing the drive to read them,

[Komarimaru]

Crashed lähetti viestin:

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

I mean, that's kinda my point. They make it sound impossible, when in most cases the issues are newer harder on older games, not the operating system with things not enabled(though easily are re-enabled)

And sideloading the Safedisc driver won't solve the problem of grumpy drives either. Especially when its protection is implemented by deliberately encoding sectors in a non-compliant manner and forcing the drive to read them,

Well, I've had no issues thus far. Only games I won't install are those that use the Starforce DRM system, even on my retro rig. Why I started to use GoG back then, since that stuff gets stripped out.