WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

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I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

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Syad původně napsal:

Dude, Win 10 is literally faster than Win7.

False.

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Syad původně napsal:

Dude, Win 10 is literally faster than Win7.

False.

True on newer hardware.

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Crashed původně napsal:

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False.

True on newer hardware.

If you need more powerful hardware then it is not faster; the hardware is.

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Syad původně napsal:

Dude, Win 10 is literally faster than Win7.

False.

It was unnecessary to crop a relevant part of my comment. Win10 got noticeably slower with patches, but earlier versions there is nothing but benefits of having Win10 over Win7, unless the PC in question is a literal potato with 2GB RAM, at which point no self-respecting games will run anyway regardless of Windows.

Now OPs profile says he mastered Warhammer: Vermintide 2, a game with Min Req RAM 6GB, meaning his PC is not a potato, meaning he will be 100% better off with Win10 and is just too lazy to spend half a day clicking through buttons.

edit: i'd install Win10 1903, although my memory is hazy which version is the optimum between speed and features. Anything below 18xx already has issues even with browsing... lol

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Syad původně napsal:

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False.

It was unnecessary to crop a relevant part of my comment. Win10 got noticeably slower with patches, but earlier versions there is nothing but benefits of having Win10 over Win7, unless the PC in question is a literal potato with 2GB RAM, at which point no self-respecting games will run anyway regardless of Windows.

Now OPs profile says he mastered Warhammer: Vermintide 2, a game with Min Req RAM 6GB, meaning his PC is not a potato, meaning he will be 100% better off with Win10 and is just too lazy to spent half a day clicking through buttons.

No, it was not unnecessary. If people are saying that you need to update from Win 7 because it is unsecure, then suggesting an insecure version of Windows 10 is asinine. And if you try to to run an up to date windows 10 on the same hardware as Win 7, Win 10 will be much slower. Half the time the Win 10 PC will be practically unusable for 15 minutes following a reboot because the HD will jump to 100% usage following a reboot.

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No, it was not unnecessary. If people are saying that you need to update from Win 7 because it is unsecure, then suggesting an insecure version of Windows 10 is asinine. And if you try to to run an up to date windows 10 on the same hardware as Win 7, Win 10 will be much slower. Half the time the Win 10 PC will be practically unusable for 15 minutes following a reboot because the HD will jump to 100% usage following a reboot.

I haven't said anything about security tho. This topic is about Steam support. Older Win10 will not be slower on the same hardware, i had PCs from 2008 running Win10 with zero performance differences, how old are we talking about here.

That having said i do agree Win10 is worse on a HDD compared to Win7. (updates schedules) Is this the issue? Do you have a HDD? The logical step would be not to diss Win10 but upgrade to an SSD ASAP, and stop having to think about Windows versions, startup times etc. They cost nothing now.

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Syad původně napsal:

Dude, Win 10 is literally faster than Win7.

False.

This is completely true in every aspect. I have both Windows 7 and Windows 10 installed on my AMD X570 + Ryzen 5950X computer. I sometimes boot to windows 7 for access to older apps and games that won't run on Windows 10. But I can not play most of the newer games in windows 7 on this computer. It's due to how windows 7's scheduler and kernel works. I will try to explain: Windows 7 does not know how to work correctly with what it thinks are "dual processor" systems. In newer AMD Ryzen processors they are designed to have multipled "CCD Units" inside (2 in the case of my 5950X) and windows 7 thinks it's a dual processor system. So apps and games in Windows 7 running on my ryzen system only access half of the threads on my CPU and will not utilize the full CPU and it has terrible micro-stuttering and lag in newer multi-core-aware games that I try to run on windows 7. With Intel CPU's from the 12'th gen and forwards Intel used a split "E-Core & P-Core" approach to their processors and Windows 7 has the exact same situation and problem working with the CPU that I described above with Ryzen processors. It thinks Intel's P cores and E-cores are 2 different CPU's and so it leads to lag and micro-stuttering in newer games run in Win7 on these systems. On the other side Windows 10 (with the latest updates, running Windows 10 version 22H2) it doesn't have this issue. It's scheduler understands how to use the new processors and all newer games work smoothly with no micro-stuttering and no issues.

Now if you are using Windows 7 on say AMD's AM3 / Bulldozer CPU's or up to Intel's 11'th gen CPU's then yes: Windows 7 and Windows 10 will both have a very tiny (marginal at best) performance difference.

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False.

This is completely true in every aspect. I have both Windows 7 and Windows 10 installed on my AMD X570 + Ryzen 5950X computer. I sometimes boot to windows 7 for access to older apps and games that won't run on Windows 10. But I can not play most of the newer games in windows 7 on this computer. It's due to how windows 7's scheduler and kernel works. I will try to explain: Windows 7 does not know how to work correctly with what it thinks are "dual processor" systems. In newer AMD Ryzen processors they are designed to have multipled "CCD Units" inside (2 in the case of my 5950X) and windows 7 thinks it's a dual processor system. So apps and games in Windows 7 running on my ryzen system only access half of the threads on my CPU and will not utilize the full CPU and it has terrible micro-stuttering and lag in newer multi-core-aware games that I try to run on windows 7. With Intel CPU's from the 12'th gen and forwards Intel used a split "E-Core & P-Core" approach to their processors and Windows 7 has the exact same situation and problem working with the CPU that I described above with Ryzen processors. It thinks Intel's P cores and E-cores are 2 different CPU's and so it leads to lag and micro-stuttering in newer games run in Win7 on these systems. On the other side Windows 10 (with the latest updates, running Windows 10 version 22H2) it doesn't have this issue. It's scheduler understands how to use the new processors and all newer games work smoothly with no micro-stuttering and no issues.

Now if you are using Windows 7 on say AMD's AM3 / Bulldozer CPU's or up to Intel's 11'th gen CPU's then yes: Windows 7 and Windows 10 will both have a very tiny (marginal at best) performance difference.

Like I said, it comes down to better hardware.

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No, it was not unnecessary. If people are saying that you need to update from Win 7 because it is unsecure, then suggesting an insecure version of Windows 10 is asinine. And if you try to to run an up to date windows 10 on the same hardware as Win 7, Win 10 will be much slower. Half the time the Win 10 PC will be practically unusable for 15 minutes following a reboot because the HD will jump to 100% usage following a reboot.

I haven't said anything about security tho. This topic is about Steam support. Older Win10 will not be slower on the same hardware, i had PCs from 2008 running Win10 with zero performance differences, how old are we talking about here.

That having said i do agree Win10 is worse on a HDD compared to Win7. (updates schedules) Is this the issue? Do you have a HDD? The logical step would be not to diss Win10 but upgrade to an SSD ASAP, and stop having to think about Windows versions, startup times etc. They cost nothing now.

The entire thread is about it.

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The entire thread is about it.

About security? Whoever uses Win7 in 2023 has no concerns about security anyway. The thread is about Steam dropping support for Win7 and the solutions to the problem. And the easiest solution is to update to Win10 v19xx, it's free and doesn't cost performance. In my opinion anyway. And ppl with HDDs should upgrade to SSDs yesterday..

Magic ball says OP will upgrade to Win10 01.01.2024

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Like I said, it comes down to better hardware.

No. It is not like you said at all. I even tried to explain that. You even quoted my words but I think didn't read them. I will try a much simpler approach then: It's not the hardware being newer that makes windows 10 faster vs windows 7. It's that windows 7 does not correctly support newer hardware. Windows 7 it's self is the problem.

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Like I said, it comes down to better hardware.

No. It is not like you said at all. I even tried to explain that. You even quoted my words but I think didn't read them. I will try a much simpler approach then: It's not the hardware being newer that makes windows 10 faster vs windows 7. It's that windows 7 does not correctly support newer hardware. Windows 7 it's self is the problem.

The key phrase there is still "newer hardware".

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I have read a couple of pages here

Japanimater původně napsal:

I built my computer back in 2010 with a i7-920 (released 2008).
My computer wouldn't be able to handle Windows 10 and I can't simply get a new processor since CPUs aren't made for that socket type anymore.
I'd have to get a new motherboard too which would lead to having to get new compatible RAM as well.
If I had to go through all that, I might as well build a whole new computer, but if I'm to make it last at least another 15 years, I'd have to spend at least $2000 and I can't afford that for several more years.

At least also having GeForce GTX 950, 24GB of RAM, and a 1TB SSD allows me to play indie and older games.

I don't need whatever new features or visual effects Steam has planned, but I do still need to be able to at least play my games and online.

An interesting story, but not only will this 2008 i7-920 cpu run Win10 with zero performance differences over Win7, it is capable to run all semi-modern games at 60fps

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2980-intel-i7-930-revisit-nehalem-benchmarks-2017/page-3

Watch Dogs 2 1080p/high: 74fps.

This system is also upgradable to a 6/12core CPU for like $10. And you even have 24GB RAM.

jesus ..


The only PCs which will have noticeable troubles running Win10 are ancient Intel Socket 775 systems with DDR2 ( that's "two") memory from 2005 or something, just because getting 8GB ram for them is... tricky( nearly impossible). And having a 20yo "gaming" PC, Steam is the least of the worries here. ..

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You guys are blaming Valve instead of Microsoft for EoL of Windows 7. Who are you going to blame when your hardware dies? The hardware manufacturers? Logic says replace the hardware. So, why can't you replace your OS? You replace dead hardware, with new hardware.

Windows 7 is DEAD, no matter how much you try to fight it.

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False.

It was unnecessary to crop a relevant part of my comment. Win10 got noticeably slower with patches, but earlier versions there is nothing but benefits of having Win10 over Win7, unless the PC in question is a literal potato with 2GB RAM, at which point no self-respecting games will run anyway regardless of Windows.

Now OPs profile says he mastered Warhammer: Vermintide 2, a game with Min Req RAM 6GB, meaning his PC is not a potato, meaning he will be 100% better off with Win10 and is just too lazy to spend half a day clicking through buttons.

edit: i'd install Win10 1903, although my memory is hazy which version is the optimum between speed and features. Anything below 18xx already has issues even with browsing... lol

Could the slowdowns have been due to the fact that feature updates were often actually in-place upgrades?

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| původně napsal:

You guys are blaming Valve instead of Microsoft for EoL of Windows 7. Who are you going to blame when your hardware dies? The hardware manufacturers? Logic says replace the hardware. So, why can't you replace your OS? You replace dead hardware, with new hardware.

Windows 7 is DEAD, no matter how much you try to fight it.

Valve's an easy target with a cosy forum. The Microsoft community mods would've brought down the ban hammer two pages in.