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😡 Duck 😡 28 mar, 2023 @ 7:51
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WTF?why stop supporting Windows 7?
I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever
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bidulless 16 jul, 2023 @ 8:34 
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Hello

You never done any dev it seems as a part of the other things...

https://github.com/winsiderss/systeminformer/issues/1739
There is many way to do that , not explicity telling them to stop supporting an old os but by using non direct way to do that.
And it's due to Windows 7 not being updated to handle the required digital signatures.
Hello

Like your miss reading
We're unable to compile drivers for those platforms and code signing for those platforms has also been deprecated and we're unable to sign drivers for Windows 7 and Windows 8
Compiling driver and signing driver for w7 and w8
All that is indirect way to tell the developper to stop supporting an old os.
Too bad because it's a really fantastic tool that anyone should have into it arsenal but now the kernel part does not work anymore.
Senast ändrad av bidulless; 16 jul, 2023 @ 8:39
Crashed 16 jul, 2023 @ 8:40 
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And it's due to Windows 7 not being updated to handle the required digital signatures.
Hello

Like your miss reading
We're unable to compile drivers for those platforms and code signing for those platforms has also been deprecated and we're unable to sign drivers for Windows 7 and Windows 8
Compiling driver and signing driver for w7 and w8
Switching to a newer SDK will mean the generated code may not be compatible with older platforms anymore, and once again Windows 7 and 8.1 did not have the required trust chains backported.
AC Dosage 16 jul, 2023 @ 8:51 
Microsoft broke our trust chains, windows 7 users will not just fall backwards into their arms.
bidulless 16 jul, 2023 @ 8:55 
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Hello

Like your miss reading

Compiling driver and signing driver for w7 and w8
Switching to a newer SDK will mean the generated code may not be compatible with older platforms anymore, and once again Windows 7 and 8.1 did not have the required trust chains backported.
Hello

Funny that even with evidence from people on the business you still reject it because it does not serv your story telling.
Visual Studio will likely remove the remaining client support at some point so we only support Windows 10 and Windows 11 even though the client works (for now).
Like i told you there is many ways ms can force dev to stop supporting older os, this is just an exemple but you are free to ask them if you want, it's a nice team and they always answer.
And you will discover a very nice tool i daily use.

Senast ändrad av bidulless; 16 jul, 2023 @ 12:39
Dego 16 jul, 2023 @ 9:00 
As of my last update in September 2021, Microsoft announced that they officially ended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. The decision to stop supporting Windows 7 was driven by several factors:

End of Life (EOL): Windows 7 had reached its End of Life, which means that Microsoft stopped providing security updates, bug fixes, and technical support for the operating system. This decision was made as part of Microsoft's lifecycle policy, which aims to focus resources on supporting newer versions of Windows.

Security Risks: Continuing to use an unsupported operating system can expose users to significant security risks. Without regular security updates, any new vulnerabilities or exploits discovered in Windows 7 would not be patched, making the operating system more vulnerable to cyberattacks.

Advancements in Technology: Windows 7 was released in 2009, and since then, technology and computing environments have evolved significantly. Microsoft wanted to encourage users to upgrade to newer versions of Windows, such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, which offered improved performance, security features, and user experience.

Compatibility Issues: As software and hardware manufacturers continue to develop and update their products, they may no longer provide support for older operating systems like Windows 7. By moving users to newer versions of Windows, Microsoft aimed to ensure better compatibility with the latest software and hardware.

Focus on Innovation: Ending support for older operating systems allows Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on developing and improving newer versions, providing users with the latest features and enhancements.

If you are still using Windows 7, it is highly recommended to upgrade to a newer, supported version of Windows to ensure better security and compatibility. Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 are the newer versions that Microsoft provides ongoing support and updates for. Additionally, upgrading to a newer operating system can provide access to the latest features and improvements that enhance the overall computing experience.
bidulless 16 jul, 2023 @ 9:08 
Ursprungligen skrivet av dego:
As of my last update in September 2021, Microsoft announced that they officially ended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. The decision to stop supporting Windows 7 was driven by several factors:

End of Life (EOL): Windows 7 had reached its End of Life, which means that Microsoft stopped providing security updates, bug fixes, and technical support for the operating system. This decision was made as part of Microsoft's lifecycle policy, which aims to focus resources on supporting newer versions of Windows.

Security Risks: Continuing to use an unsupported operating system can expose users to significant security risks. Without regular security updates, any new vulnerabilities or exploits discovered in Windows 7 would not be patched, making the operating system more vulnerable to cyberattacks.

Advancements in Technology: Windows 7 was released in 2009, and since then, technology and computing environments have evolved significantly. Microsoft wanted to encourage users to upgrade to newer versions of Windows, such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, which offered improved performance, security features, and user experience.

Compatibility Issues: As software and hardware manufacturers continue to develop and update their products, they may no longer provide support for older operating systems like Windows 7. By moving users to newer versions of Windows, Microsoft aimed to ensure better compatibility with the latest software and hardware.

Focus on Innovation: Ending support for older operating systems allows Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on developing and improving newer versions, providing users with the latest features and enhancements.

If you are still using Windows 7, it is highly recommended to upgrade to a newer, supported version of Windows to ensure better security and compatibility. Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 are the newer versions that Microsoft provides ongoing support and updates for. Additionally, upgrading to a newer operating system can provide access to the latest features and improvements that enhance the overall computing experience.
Hello

Stop copy past stuff from llm...
Crashed 16 jul, 2023 @ 10:11 
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Ursprungligen skrivet av dego:
As of my last update in September 2021, Microsoft announced that they officially ended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. The decision to stop supporting Windows 7 was driven by several factors:

End of Life (EOL): Windows 7 had reached its End of Life, which means that Microsoft stopped providing security updates, bug fixes, and technical support for the operating system. This decision was made as part of Microsoft's lifecycle policy, which aims to focus resources on supporting newer versions of Windows.

Security Risks: Continuing to use an unsupported operating system can expose users to significant security risks. Without regular security updates, any new vulnerabilities or exploits discovered in Windows 7 would not be patched, making the operating system more vulnerable to cyberattacks.

Advancements in Technology: Windows 7 was released in 2009, and since then, technology and computing environments have evolved significantly. Microsoft wanted to encourage users to upgrade to newer versions of Windows, such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, which offered improved performance, security features, and user experience.

Compatibility Issues: As software and hardware manufacturers continue to develop and update their products, they may no longer provide support for older operating systems like Windows 7. By moving users to newer versions of Windows, Microsoft aimed to ensure better compatibility with the latest software and hardware.

Focus on Innovation: Ending support for older operating systems allows Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on developing and improving newer versions, providing users with the latest features and enhancements.

If you are still using Windows 7, it is highly recommended to upgrade to a newer, supported version of Windows to ensure better security and compatibility. Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 are the newer versions that Microsoft provides ongoing support and updates for. Additionally, upgrading to a newer operating system can provide access to the latest features and improvements that enhance the overall computing experience.
Hello

Stop copy past stuff from llm...
You aren't going to convince Valve of anything other than that you're a vocal minority.
RasaNova 16 jul, 2023 @ 11:29 
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Switching to a newer SDK will mean the generated code may not be compatible with older platforms anymore, and once again Windows 7 and 8.1 did not have the required trust chains backported.
Hello

Funny that even with evidence from people on the business you still reject it because it does not serv your story telling.
Yes but you talk of story telling, yet you are twisting the narrative. You are basically claiming that Valve keeping up with current operating systems equals Valve dropping Windows 7 "because M$ told them to." You are intelligent, I am sure you understand the difference.
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bidulless 16 jul, 2023 @ 11:31 
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Hello

Funny that even with evidence from people on the business you still reject it because it does not serv your story telling.
Yes but you talk of story telling, yet you are twisting the narrative. You are basically claiming that Valve keeping up with current operating systems equals Valve dropping Windows 7 "because M$ told them to." You are intelligent, I am sure you understand the difference.
Hello

Humm @rasanova, do not wording me something i've never write or think
D. Flame 16 jul, 2023 @ 11:58 
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Switching to a newer SDK will mean the generated code may not be compatible with older platforms anymore, and once again Windows 7 and 8.1 did not have the required trust chains backported.
Hello

Funny that even with evidence from people on the business you still reject it because it does not serv your story telling.
Visual Studio will likely remove the remaining client support at some point so we only support Windows 10 and Windows 11 even though the client works (for now).
Like i told you there is many way ms can force dev to stop supporting older os, this is just an exemple but you are free to ask them if you want, it's a nice team and they always answer.
And you will discover a very nice tool i daily use.
Finally, someone who gets it.
and I still don't know what it is called the end of support, and the operation of the application is two different things
for here is brainless

end of support, i.e. the end of the technical support provided, not the end of the program's operation on a given system
so the old, latest version of the client can be left for Windows 7/8 users, but only for offline mode, i.e. for single-player games, but with the option of downloading games from the servers that are already assigned to the account, without the possibility of purchasing new products

so what valve is suggesting and what are they thinking,
because microsoft ended support for all previous versions of windows, but wait, let's go back, did these windows stop working? No, they still work, so the steam client can be made in such a way that the old version, the last one working on Windows 7/8, can still work, but without the possibility of purchases,
no online mode and no update to the latest version, only access to servers to download those games that are assigned to a given account

what's so hard about it? Ubisoft did, Opera did, and many other manufacturers and publishers left the last versions of their programs running on older systems,
but with limited features

shame on Valve, because I paid for the product to work on my hardware, secondly, a given game will work that was created for a given Windows system, system requirements are a priority, unless,
if the publisher of a given game or program releases an update for multiplayer then it will be difficult to run games for multiplayer, but for single player modes such games will still work

the same change in hardware requirements for the operating system for given games, I'll give an example of Fallout 76, you crossed out Windows 7,
without Bethesda's consent, where I asked them if anything had changed in this topic, they gave me the requirements and it was somehow Windows 7
Ursprungligen skrivet av dego:
As of my last update in September 2021, Microsoft announced that they officially ended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. The decision to stop supporting Windows 7 was driven by several factors:

End of Life (EOL): Windows 7 had reached its End of Life, which means that Microsoft stopped providing security updates, bug fixes, and technical support for the operating system. This decision was made as part of Microsoft's lifecycle policy, which aims to focus resources on supporting newer versions of Windows.

Security Risks: Continuing to use an unsupported operating system can expose users to significant security risks. Without regular security updates, any new vulnerabilities or exploits discovered in Windows 7 would not be patched, making the operating system more vulnerable to cyberattacks.

Advancements in Technology: Windows 7 was released in 2009, and since then, technology and computing environments have evolved significantly. Microsoft wanted to encourage users to upgrade to newer versions of Windows, such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, which offered improved performance, security features, and user experience.

Compatibility Issues: As software and hardware manufacturers continue to develop and update their products, they may no longer provide support for older operating systems like Windows 7. By moving users to newer versions of Windows, Microsoft aimed to ensure better compatibility with the latest software and hardware.

Focus on Innovation: Ending support for older operating systems allows Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on developing and improving newer versions, providing users with the latest features and enhancements.

If you are still using Windows 7, it is highly recommended to upgrade to a newer, supported version of Windows to ensure better security and compatibility. Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 are the newer versions that Microsoft provides ongoing support and updates for. Additionally, upgrading to a newer operating system can provide access to the latest features and improvements that enhance the overall computing experience.



first, technological progress? interesting, somehow I had Windows 10 a few days ago, I tested it, and in fact the awl came out of the bag, because my computer was more sluggish and it was not even more efficient, even though I have an i5 8600k processor that supports this system, so the performance is better in terms of security, no system will give you security,
it's a lie and an attempt to extort money from people who believe that some software will protect them, it's no excuse that some program can't run on a given system

so when it comes to security, it's a lie, because when we really use windows, we already have lost privacy, and windows 10 and newer 11,
which only has system requirements, it's a good way to spy on us, so what is the security here? how governments are unable to protect personal data that leaks into the network and is disclosed, and they have much better security than microsoft

ok, mentioned here,
end of support for older systems, yes, but Windows 10 is no longer practically supported, only some so-called security updates will be available until 2025, then Windows 10 will be forgotten, and it's time to milk people for newer systems that require even more from hardware, like Windows 11,
4 gb of ram and all the time access to the network, hmmm, here the light should turn on, i.e. without the Internet I will not run windows 11, aha, because they want to have you under the microscope and under control

I will write again as in the last comment, i.e. the lack of support does not mean that a given program, system, game (single player mode) stops working,
only means no technical support, i.e. troubleshooting
lailaamell 16 jul, 2023 @ 14:28 
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Ursprungligen skrivet av dego:
As of my last update in September 2021, Microsoft announced that they officially ended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. The decision to stop supporting Windows 7 was driven by several factors:

End of Life (EOL): Windows 7 had reached its End of Life, which means that Microsoft stopped providing security updates, bug fixes, and technical support for the operating system. This decision was made as part of Microsoft's lifecycle policy, which aims to focus resources on supporting newer versions of Windows.

Security Risks: Continuing to use an unsupported operating system can expose users to significant security risks. Without regular security updates, any new vulnerabilities or exploits discovered in Windows 7 would not be patched, making the operating system more vulnerable to cyberattacks.

Advancements in Technology: Windows 7 was released in 2009, and since then, technology and computing environments have evolved significantly. Microsoft wanted to encourage users to upgrade to newer versions of Windows, such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, which offered improved performance, security features, and user experience.

Compatibility Issues: As software and hardware manufacturers continue to develop and update their products, they may no longer provide support for older operating systems like Windows 7. By moving users to newer versions of Windows, Microsoft aimed to ensure better compatibility with the latest software and hardware.

Focus on Innovation: Ending support for older operating systems allows Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on developing and improving newer versions, providing users with the latest features and enhancements.

If you are still using Windows 7, it is highly recommended to upgrade to a newer, supported version of Windows to ensure better security and compatibility. Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 are the newer versions that Microsoft provides ongoing support and updates for. Additionally, upgrading to a newer operating system can provide access to the latest features and improvements that enhance the overall computing experience.



first, technological progress? interesting, somehow I had Windows 10 a few days ago, I tested it, and in fact the awl came out of the bag, because my computer was more sluggish and it was not even more efficient, even though I have an i5 8600k processor that supports this system, so the performance is better in terms of security, no system will give you security,
it's a lie and an attempt to extort money from people who believe that some software will protect them, it's no excuse that some program can't run on a given system

so when it comes to security, it's a lie, because when we really use windows, we already have lost privacy, and windows 10 and newer 11,
which only has system requirements, it's a good way to spy on us, so what is the security here? how governments are unable to protect personal data that leaks into the network and is disclosed, and they have much better security than microsoft

ok, mentioned here,
end of support for older systems, yes, but Windows 10 is no longer practically supported, only some so-called security updates will be available until 2025, then Windows 10 will be forgotten, and it's time to milk people for newer systems that require even more from hardware, like Windows 11,
4 gb of ram and all the time access to the network, hmmm, here the light should turn on, i.e. without the Internet I will not run windows 11, aha, because they want to have you under the microscope and under control

I will write again as in the last comment, i.e. the lack of support does not mean that a given program, system, game (single player mode) stops working,
only means no technical support, i.e. troubleshooting
you never needed an antivirus or malware cleaner it was all corperate scheme so you are right but win 10 will probly end of support next year and 11 year after that i expect a new windows version every year after 12 with seperate licenses in a subscription format after all if you dont see any virus and dont look after them they dont exist right?
Senast ändrad av lailaamell; 16 jul, 2023 @ 14:29
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Microsoft broke our trust chains, windows 7 users will not just fall backwards into their arms.
Oh no you been in MS arms whole time, or else wouldn't be using windows to begin with.
Syad 16 jul, 2023 @ 15:01 
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I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.
Dude, Win 10 is literally faster than Win7. They dunked performance with later patches tho, so install a version prior to 21H1 or 21H2(one of those i don't remember which one) and don't autoupdate.
Senast ändrad av Syad; 16 jul, 2023 @ 15:02
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