Valve are scammers, taking away our games.

[ValentB]

You could have at least some legacy launcher, but you're too lazy to do so or got paid by Microsoft. And now we're robbed of old games. Not all of us are playing live service junk that gets (useless) updates every week.

GOG is the king. All games you bought there, you can download and install on Win 7. Even Win XP if games support it. And if you want playtime and achievements, you can install GOG Galaxy 1.2 launcher that works on Win7 fine. Even GOG 2.0 is not dropping 7 support.

[𓅃 スノ 𓅃]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

You're way late to the discussion of Steam dropping Support for Win7.

All software stops supporting older OSs sooner or later.

oh i didn't know steam stopped support for win 7
what about linux distros?

[RasaNova]

引用自 スノ：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

You're way late to the discussion of Steam dropping Support for Win7.

All software stops supporting older OSs sooner or later.

oh i didn't know steam stopped support for win 7
what about linux distros?

They haven't yet. They will be next year, which is what this thread is all about.

Linux should be fine.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 Satoru：

引用自 Lystent：

Sounds like win 10 is about at the end of its life span though.

Your key basically works from windows 7 all the way to windows 11

You have to read about how to get your key on the new computer they expect you to get.

Could it be that they want people to throw away well running computers so most of them will buy the 99 $ clock again?

[Brian9824]

引用自 Fang：

The problem here is that Steam is inevitably making it so hundreds if not thousands of games on the platform will no longer be playable if they have no compatibility with Windows 10 or higher. Of which there are a lot.

This would not be a problem if Steam still functioned in some limited way on legacy OS's - which are safe to use if, for example, you run them in a sandbox environment or dualboot with limited networking capabilities.

This is really going to hurt legacy games. And with no other way to play them (except sailing the seven seas) it is once again another blow to game preservation and another reason why ALL FORMS OF DRM ARE GARBAGE. Steam included.

99.999% of games that run on windows 7 run on windows 10 and 11.... So umm yeah, there aren't hundreds of thousands of games that are no longer playable. The same claims were made back with windows 95, 98, XP, etc, each one discontinued by steam and everyone else.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 Fang：

The problem here is that Steam is inevitably making it so hundreds if not thousands of games on the platform will no longer be playable if they have no compatibility with Windows 10 or higher. Of which there are a lot.

This would not be a problem if Steam still functioned in some limited way on legacy OS's - which are safe to use if, for example, you run them in a sandbox environment or dualboot with limited networking capabilities.

This is really going to hurt legacy games. And with no other way to play them (except sailing the seven seas) it is once again another blow to game preservation and another reason why ALL FORMS OF DRM ARE GARBAGE. Steam included.

99.999% of games that run on windows 7 run on windows 10 and 11.... So umm yeah, there aren't hundreds of thousands of games that are no longer playable. The same claims were made back with windows 95, 98, XP, etc, each one discontinued by steam and everyone else.

Yeah I have like 200 games on my external that I quite literally just unplugged from my win7 pc, then plugged into my win10 pc. Then just verified steamapp location. ALL of them run fine.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Satoru：

Your key basically works from windows 7 all the way to windows 11

Good to know, but I don't know if windows would like to upgrade all the way to 11 on my AM3 MoBo.

No that I can tell you flat out, unless you bypass the TMP requirement for installing the ISO, which isn't hard to do, but no way of knowing if Microsoft will be a prick in the future, or not about it, AFAIK they haven't done a thing about it since release, so give, or take. Windows 10 will work for you without issues.

引用自 Knightspace：

引用自 Lystent：

I haven't seen any computer games published outside of a launcher lately, and steam has drawn in almost all the major titles.

Unfortunately. This is where the money is, thanks to the near monopoly Valve has.

Nothing stopping them from listing on GoG, and etc, just saying, as Valve haven't done anything to stopping them from doing it, the problem is them choosing not to do it, despite there no cost really to do multiple listing, either they don't want to manage more places, or just don't care as much for PC compare to Console still.

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

引用自 Satoru：

Your key basically works from windows 7 all the way to windows 11

You have to read about how to get your key on the new computer they expect you to get.

Could it be that they want people to throw away well running computers so most of them will buy the 99 $ clock again?

Shouldn't be an issue if the person kept the sticker with the key on their device, or the box with the card for it, otherwise hopefully they're not using a pirated copy of W7 for whatever reason.
https://www.wikihow.com/Find-Your-Windows-7-Product-Key

Could buy an OEM copy of W10 that like $15 ~ $30, which is free upgrade to W11, or could just use them for free, just not activated that all.

引用自 Fang：

The problem here is that Steam is inevitably making it so hundreds if not thousands of games on the platform will no longer be playable if they have no compatibility with Windows 10 or higher. Of which there are a lot.

This would not be a problem if Steam still functioned in some limited way on legacy OS's - which are safe to use if, for example, you run them in a sandbox environment or dualboot with limited networking capabilities.

This is really going to hurt legacy games. And with no other way to play them (except sailing the seven seas) it is once again another blow to game preservation and another reason why ALL FORMS OF DRM ARE GARBAGE. Steam included.

Tell me which games on Steam that don't work from W7 to W10, and yes I PERSONALLY test things since 2018, and got people going upwards of 10k games as well above me that have nearly 5k, and we test old games, and yes they do actually work on W10 with no issue.

The real problem start to face is games that was for Windows Vista, and older which also HAD the same problems for W7 to W10, and were fixed doing a community guide patch yourself, or downloading a file that fixes the problem.

So if you know which games from Steam that flat out don't work on W10 that made for W7, I be happy to test it out.

[Lystent]

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

引用自 Satoru：

Your key basically works from windows 7 all the way to windows 11

You have to read about how to get your key on the new computer they expect you to get.

Could it be that they want people to throw away well running computers so most of them will buy the 99 $ clock again?

Has to be retail, and not OEM, the last I knew. Personally, I go retail as much as possible, but I didn't build my win 7 machine, so that key is bound to a MoBo from 2012 (or earlier).

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

... Windows 10 will work for you without issues.

Until they discontinue that one a couple or so years from now, resulting in pretty much this all over again.

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...
Nothing stopping them from listing on GoG,...

Last I knew, GoG's whole deal was the lack of DRM. I'd imagine that is a reason for some devs/publishers to avoid GoG.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

You have to read about how to get your key on the new computer they expect you to get.

Could it be that they want people to throw away well running computers so most of them will buy the 99 $ clock again?

Has to be retail, and not OEM, the last I knew. Personally, I go retail as much as possible, but I didn't build my win 7 machine, so that key is bound to a MoBo from 2012 (or earlier).

Actually OEM works too to get upgrade to Windows 10 for free.

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

... Windows 10 will work for you without issues.

Until they discontinue that one a couple or so years from now, resulting in pretty much this all over again.

Not much to do about it, but you got options which some are free to begin with such as upgrade to W10, or switch to Linux that always free, and don't have to worry about discontinue.

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...
Nothing stopping them from listing on GoG,...

Last I knew, GoG's whole deal was the lack of DRM. I'd imagine that is a reason for some devs/publishers to avoid GoG.

And nothing stopping them really, if they choose not to list because of GoG policy that must be DRM free, then not much can do about it because the fact Devs / Publishers wanted DRM in their games.

[Lystent]

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...Not much to do about it, but you got options which some are free to begin with such as upgrade to W10,...

(Assuming you meant win 11) I'm not sure there are that many win 7 machines that can be upgraded to win 11 due to tech specs, namely with the motherboard. That is the problem with OEM win 7: it is bound to that old motherboard. If it were retail, some would say you're better off getting a new computer anyways, as going to a more modern MoBo would mean replacing the RAM, CPU cooler, and CPU as well (which I plan on doing with my current computer with its retail key in the future, just to do a small CPU upgrade). Oh, and I forgot about he thermal paste...

Edit: Although, I think AM4 was a thing when win 7 was still in service. Replacing one of those with a newer AM4 would still leave you with getting thermal paste, and maybe a new CPU depending on the chipset.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...Not much to do about it, but you got options which some are free to begin with such as upgrade to W10,...

(Assuming you meant win 11) I'm not sure there are that many win 7 machines that can be upgraded to win 11 due to tech specs, namely with the motherboard. That is the problem with OEM win 7: it is bound to that old motherboard. If it were retail, some would say you're better off getting a new computer anyways, as going to a more modern MoBo would mean replacing the RAM, CPU cooler, and CPU as well (which I plan on doing with my current computer with its retail key in the future, just to do a small CPU upgrade). Oh, and I forgot about he thermal paste...

Edit: Although, I think AM4 was a thing when win 7 was still in service. Replacing one of those with a newer AM4 would still leave you with getting thermal paste, and maybe a new CPU depending on the chipset.

If you want W11 then I assume either have supported hardware to begin with, or willing to edit ISO to bypass the installer gate to installing it.

You can get cheap OEM key for W10 to get W11 free, or can just use W10 / W11 free without needing to activate them.

For upgrading Don't go below 8th gen intel, or Ryzen 3rd gen at the least for CPU as that what Microsoft willing to give support via W11, going newer is better too for you as far as I seen it ok with nearly all games. If have a AM4 motherboard already that 300 or up series, should be fine if have Ryzen 3rd gen, or newer.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

[Lystent]

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...You can get cheap OEM key for W10 to get W11 free, or can just use W10 / W11 free without needing to activate them.

For upgrading Don't go below 8th gen intel, or Ryzen 3rd gen at the least for CPU as that what Microsoft willing to give support via W11, going newer is better too for you as far as I seen it ok with nearly all games. If have a AM4 motherboard already that 300 or up series, should be fine if have Ryzen 3rd gen, or newer.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

I don't go OEM myself. Never know when you got to swap out the MoBo. That, and retail keys work when you move the system disk to a totally different tower, and back.

That said, 2nd gen ryzen's main issue is that it so old that it doesn't appear to be supported by the latest AM4 chipsets. My previous computer, which serves as a backup computer and might have a more powerful CPU than my current one (3900x on old vs 5800x on current) used to have a 2200g as its CPU. I still use the same MoBo on it (the 3900x was kinda stretching its potential). IDK if that MoBo is new enough to make windows happy though; may have to do that bypass you mentioned.
Also, I have win 11 on a computer with a weaker CPU than the 2200g (some Intel Celeron). It runs the OS far better than it runs any of the games i have, and I didn't have to do an bypass to install win 11 onto it.

Edit: forgot to mention that the MoBo my previous computer uses was originally meant for 1st gen ryzen.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 Lystent：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

...You can get cheap OEM key for W10 to get W11 free, or can just use W10 / W11 free without needing to activate them.

For upgrading Don't go below 8th gen intel, or Ryzen 3rd gen at the least for CPU as that what Microsoft willing to give support via W11, going newer is better too for you as far as I seen it ok with nearly all games. If have a AM4 motherboard already that 300 or up series, should be fine if have Ryzen 3rd gen, or newer.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

I don't go OEM myself. Never know when you got to swap out the MoBo. That, and retail keys work when you move the system disk to a totally different tower, and back.

That said, 2nd gen ryzen's main issue is that it so old that it doesn't appear to be supported by the latest AM4 chipsets. My previous computer, which serves as a backup computer and might have a more powerful CPU than my current one (3900x on old vs 5800x on current) used to have a 2200g as its CPU. I still use the same MoBo on it (the 3900x was kinda stretching its potential). IDK if that MoBo is new enough to make windows happy though; may have to do that bypass you mentioned.
Also, I have win 11 on a computer with a weaker CPU than the 2200g (some Intel Celeron). It runs the OS far better than it runs any of the games i have, and I didn't have to do an bypass to install win 11 onto it.

Edit: forgot to mention that the MoBo my previous computer uses was originally meant for 1st gen ryzen.

Basically if you can enable TMP or FTMP on your AM4 motherboard, and use Ryzen 3000 series, or newer then you can install Windows 11. If you choose to switch out for newer motherboard that up to you, if you still sticking to AM4, you can reuse your RAM I assume it DDR4 you're using currently on your AM4, the issue is that AM5using DDR5 which is new RAM, and only supports newer Ryzen CPU like 7000 series.

[andreasaspenberg575]

the biggest problem is the many games that does not run in windows 10. street figher x tekken is according to the store page unsupported in windows 10. several disney games also only runs in windows 7. i am also unable to update to windows 10, because my sandy bridge cpus is incompatible.

[Komarimaru]

引用自 andreasaspenberg575：

the biggest problem is the many games that does not run in windows 10. street figher x tekken is according to the store page unsupported in windows 10. several disney games also only runs in windows 7. i am also unable to update to windows 10, because my sandy bridge cpus is incompatible.

Some games need patches to run, same way some games needed patches to run in 7 from XP.

Windows 10 used to support way before sandybridge existed, should still.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 andreasaspenberg575：

i am also unable to update to windows 10, because my sandy bridge cpus is incompatible.

Why would that be the case?