online cheating epidemic.

[holdem]

How do people enjoy online games knowing there is most likely always someone cheating?

[Muppet among Puppets]

Overseer původně napsal:

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

Where can i read about that, or can you describe?

Its a Peer-to-Peer game with one host. The attacker waits for a targeted ID matchmaking request and joins the host as a client to trigger bugs remotely to prevent the matchmaking. 24/7.

That this can exist and that someone does it,
both does not make any sense........
Strange.

[[N]ebsun]

holdem původně napsal:

How do people enjoy online games knowing there is most likely always someone cheating?

Make your own servers, play with people you know, use anti-cheat

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

I still play older games where things like this exist. I've never seen anyone
complain about this till today's market came up.

The reason why the old market worked so well was hosters
of their own servers had Tools that allowed them to control
their servers, & effectively control weather or not you could
mod / cheat in them. You also had the ability to search for
servers that didn't allow mod / cheats in them at all, too.

The reason why it doesn't work today is that servers
are not controlled by hosts / admins, & this now lets
people freely mod / cheat however they want, & the
only ones to stop them is the Company.

Which means if you hate mod / cheaters today,
it's because you wanted this system changed, &
your not seeing the evidence of it working. Instead
you are seeing a problem with the new system
that you are now using. The System doesn't work
anymore, because the Tools you used to have
just isn't there anymore to Control this, & that
is why you have such a bad time with it Today.

I dont have a bad time today.
The games i dont play are some of the ones with "chosen player as host by the system". Some of them are even unsafe.

I remember when punkbuster was the thing. There was a cheater who actually just joined for the small duration he could stay before auto kick,
to run the worst cheats for a few seconds. Repeatedly.
In a game where i prefered servers ran by people, which even did not have punkbuster enabled.

Sometimes you see a cheater. It happens, happened, and will happen. I just didnt care so much, because as i see it, its the exception (at least in the games i played).

The real problem with the model you talk about is, if the company decides to shut down the game, it is gone. That is really bad.

There is a difference between seeing a really bad User online over a very
short time, & actually seeing that same User online getting away with it for far longer.

I've seen GTA5 Online where users were getting assaulted by hacks, & modder's
were getting away with assaulting users with giant massive robots that would kill
those users in 1 hit flying them across massive distances, & there is literally nothing
those users could defend themselves with, other then complaining with the Company.
But i've also see cases where GTA5 Online allowed people to join servers that they
can controllably keep modder's & cheaters out of it if they wanted to.

But unlike GTA5 Online, i've actually seen games where there is absolutely nothing
you can do at all, such as mortal kombat 11, street fighter, 1st person shooters like
Gundam Evolution, & mostly all newer online played games.

Punk Buster Games were not the only games addressing a problem with
cheaters / modders, some games didn't even have it at all that were addressing
the problem, too. The problem is that newer Games where these problems
reside at all, are easily known for modding / cheating, because they don't have
any system in place at all. It's very easily known what Games are going to be
a problem, & what ones are not going to be a problem.

The only reason Elden Ring was able to get away with this, was because
a modder in the community was on the side of the user base who got attacked,
& that modder did a deed that helped them instead of hurt them. But if that
modder had done nothing, then everyone would be hating Elden Ring today.

It just so happens that Elden Ring is liked by a lot of people right now,
not only are the users able to play nice, but the game is also not as bad
as many other games are right now. But Elden Ring is an example of
a really bad situation that was only fixable by a modder. Game's should
not rely on a mod to fix things like this at all, & that is a bad way to run
online gaming. Because 1. Not everyone has experience
2. Most modders are abusers 3. Using mods to fix problems is actually
way more work then it used to be with the tools we had available,
because you had to 1st make the mod, & 2nd you had to make
sure it worked, but with the tools you had available? Everyone had access,
& it was as simple as a on / off switch for many of the functions of those tools.

So I don't really get the point of the New System, & how people find it better, ~_~

[Muppet among Puppets]

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

So I don't really get the point of the New System, & how people find it better, ~_~

A better system would be like streaming. You see something on a screen, and you have buttons to click.
That way no cheats are possible.

This could be real streaming over the internet, or in a way on the computer. Like the displayed things are from a "closed box", and only certain input is possible, while nothing but the image gets out of the "box".

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

So I don't really get the point of the New System, & how people find it better, ~_~

A better system would be like streaming. You see something on a screen, and you have buttons to click.
That way no cheats are possible.

This could be real streaming over the internet, or in a way on the computer. Like the displayed things are from a "closed box", and only certain input is possible, while nothing but the image gets out of the "box".

But I hate streaming.

[Muppet among Puppets]

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

A better system would be like streaming. You see something on a screen, and you have buttons to click.
That way no cheats are possible.

This could be real streaming over the internet, or in a way on the computer. Like the displayed things are from a "closed box", and only certain input is possible, while nothing but the image gets out of the "box".

But I hate streaming.

Why?
And as i said, it could be on the computer. To achieve the principle of seeing something, and to be able to react with specific buttons.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

But I hate streaming.

Why?
And as i said, it could be on the computer. To achieve the principle of seeing something, and to be able to react with specific buttons.

If you don't get it in the 1st attempt? I'm not going to explain it again.

I've had Hulu once before, & all they did was screw with the UI a lot,
& they made you pay monthly, & when that happened. They refused
to quit taking money from people who tried to cancel their account.

I refuse to use steam as a streamer.

PS Now was already a service like that, & I just won't go there.

[Muppet among Puppets]

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

Why?
And as i said, it could be on the computer. To achieve the principle of seeing something, and to be able to react with specific buttons.

If you don't get it in the 1st attempt? I'm not going to explain it again.

I've had Hulu once before, & all they did was screw with the UI a lot,
& they made you pay monthly, & when that happened. They refused
to quit taking money from people who tried to cancel their account.

I refuse to use steam as a streamer.

PS Now was already a service like that, & I just won't go there.

I use geforce now. I play high end games on a pc that uses 10 watt.
Yes, i dont get what you mean.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

If you don't get it in the 1st attempt? I'm not going to explain it again.

I've had Hulu once before, & all they did was screw with the UI a lot,
& they made you pay monthly, & when that happened. They refused
to quit taking money from people who tried to cancel their account.

I refuse to use steam as a streamer.

PS Now was already a service like that, & I just won't go there.

I use geforce now. I play high end games on a pc that uses 10 watt.
Yes, i dont get what you mean.

I've never used Geforce, I don't have NVidea. Also, Geforce is exclusively
to NVidea, & just cause 1 Service works, doesn't mean they all do without
problems. & just cause it's liked by 1 or 2 people, doesn't mean everyone
has to likes streaming.

I've had bad experiences with it, & had to threaten them with lawsuits
if they didn't give me money back, I would not want steam as a streamer.

[Muppet among Puppets]

ShadowShifterMarlith původně napsal:

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

I use geforce now. I play high end games on a pc that uses 10 watt.
Yes, i dont get what you mean.

I've never used Geforce, I don't have NVidea. Also, Geforce is exclusively
to NVidea, & just cause 1 Service works, doesn't mean they all do without
problems. & just cause it's liked by 1 or 2 people, doesn't mean everyone
has to likes streaming.

I've had bad experiences with it, & had to threaten them with lawsuits
if they didn't give me money back, I would not want steam as a streamer.

You can even use it in a browser...... on your phone. So not "geforce exclusive".
For me it costs not more than the electricity i save by it. And i dont need hardware. So it saves me money.

Just to let you know, that things might not be as they seem to you.

And to stick with your conclusion, just because you had problems with a video stream does not mean that everything with "stream" in it is bad.

[holdem]

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

holdem původně napsal:

How do people enjoy online games knowing there is most likely always someone cheating?

As you can see in your post,
it removes joy of playing when you assume (you call it "knowing")
that allways someone is cheating.

In all the games i played, there are some people who magically attract cheaters like magnets..... when these people play, "everywhere are cheaters",
if you tell them, thats not right,
they declare you a cheater as well.

Poisoning the mindset of everyone around them.


And sometimes there is indeed a cheater, not just a "IT MUST BE A CHEATER BECAUSE I FEEL IT",
no, a real cheater and you will know it.

.....who cares. Report, and play on.


One game i play often, i maybe saw 2 cheaters who affected me in the whole time. And someone else often posts videos about cheaters he found. And not ONE single time there was any cheater in his videos. It is really funny.
The videos, his reaction and talking in the videos, the not getting it, in that moment its funny.
But if this spreads as a believe its bad. Its worse than cheaters.

There are some older games where its likely to meet a cheater. Well known games, the company doesnt care about their older games. I am not saying, it does not happen. I tried to explain that you definitely know when thats the case.
And its rare.

BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
Update on the number of PUBG bans: 1,500,000.
BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
·
13 Oct 2017
Over 322,000 cheaters have been banned from PUBG so far, more than twice as many as posted by
@PLAYERUNKNOWN
just a month ago.
BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
·
14 Nov 2017
After releasing new security updates last week, we banned almost 100,000 PUBG accounts this past weekend totaling over 700,000. That being said, fighting cheaters will always remain WIP and never be solved completely, especially in the most popular Battle Royale game.

There are dozens of videos on you tube of streamers who where dumb enough to expose them self using wall hacks + aimbot who would still play today, this just shows how poor anti cheat actually is.

There is bv5 with a blatant cheater on every server again showing how poorly anti cheat is.

There is the new tarkov vid giving you some insight of what really is happening......

Use some logic sense and don't be naive because it is much much worse as you believe.

[Overseer]

I also want to point out that despite of all the cheating and how annoying it is, especially when nothing is done about it, that these people still don't have to be banned. I'm advocating for a classic cheater hell for a long time by now. Don't push people out of your product if you think they bring in the money and you want cheaters to buy your product only to cheat in it. Let them buy all the cosmetics and all the precious items. Just move them to the cheater branch and let them solely cheat against other cheaters. Nobody has to be excluded. The servers don't have to tell them they cannot connect anymore. They just move on to a different matchmaking.

[Crashed]

✨Saint✨ původně napsal:

You kill the cheater first. Report, block and move on.

:saint:

"Block" usually means having to go to another server if you aren't the admin. Trying to kill the cheater is certain death because they have control over the game.

[KalGimpa]

holdem původně napsal:

Muppet among Puppets původně napsal:

As you can see in your post,
it removes joy of playing when you assume (you call it "knowing")
that allways someone is cheating.

In all the games i played, there are some people who magically attract cheaters like magnets..... when these people play, "everywhere are cheaters",
if you tell them, thats not right,
they declare you a cheater as well.

Poisoning the mindset of everyone around them.


And sometimes there is indeed a cheater, not just a "IT MUST BE A CHEATER BECAUSE I FEEL IT",
no, a real cheater and you will know it.

.....who cares. Report, and play on.


One game i play often, i maybe saw 2 cheaters who affected me in the whole time. And someone else often posts videos about cheaters he found. And not ONE single time there was any cheater in his videos. It is really funny.
The videos, his reaction and talking in the videos, the not getting it, in that moment its funny.
But if this spreads as a believe its bad. Its worse than cheaters.

There are some older games where its likely to meet a cheater. Well known games, the company doesnt care about their older games. I am not saying, it does not happen. I tried to explain that you definitely know when thats the case.
And its rare.

BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
Update on the number of PUBG bans: 1,500,000.
BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
·
13 Oct 2017
Over 322,000 cheaters have been banned from PUBG so far, more than twice as many as posted by
@PLAYERUNKNOWN
just a month ago.
BattlEye
@TheBattlEye
·
14 Nov 2017
After releasing new security updates last week, we banned almost 100,000 PUBG accounts this past weekend totaling over 700,000. That being said, fighting cheaters will always remain WIP and never be solved completely, especially in the most popular Battle Royale game.

There are dozens of videos on you tube of streamers who where dumb enough to expose them self using wall hacks + aimbot who would still play today, this just shows how poor anti cheat actually is.

There is bv5 with a blatant cheater on every server again showing how poorly anti cheat is.

There is the new tarkov vid giving you some insight of what really is happening......

Use some logic sense and don't be naive because it is much much worse as you believe.

for whatever reason, you seem to be ignoring vac and game bans on steam

nobody has said do not go after cheaters, just that you seem confused on how easy it is to do

every single platform has people that try to cheat it

every single platform has people trying to stop them

this has been a battle since the beginning of gaming, not just electronically, i mean since people started competing, people started cheating


there is no catchall or it would have been used already

as i said in the other post, when you have it, sell it and get rich

Overseer původně napsal:

I also want to point out that despite of all the cheating and how annoying it is, especially when nothing is done about it, that these people still don't have to be banned. I'm advocating for a classic cheater hell for a long time by now. Don't push people out of your product if you think they bring in the money and you want cheaters to buy your product only to cheat in it. Let them buy all the cosmetics and all the precious items. Just move them to the cheater branch and let them solely cheat against other cheaters. Nobody has to be excluded. The servers don't have to tell them they cannot connect anymore. They just move on to a different matchmaking.

i like this

put them all in a cheater league and let them have at it

keep them on a first release or something, so they can't any new code that comes into play later

[Rotan]

games putting cheaters together instead of banning them is the better route imo, SAS does this :D