Buying and selling accounts

[CyberDragon]

Not being able to sell accounts makes no sense. It's like if Honda told you can't sell the car you own. It's our account and the games we bought and sometimes people work incredibly hard on those games and they will eventually stop gaming. Why must all their hard work go to waste? who's in charge Forest Gump? Fire him and get someone who ain't retarded. I'm tired of gamers being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by Steam. Let's put an end to it.

[eram]

you dont own your account or the games.

you purchase licences to a game, so you dont even own your games no.

[Crazy Tiger]

You should learn how licensing and such works, then you'd see that your comparison is nonsense. And you'd learn that unless a change is made by legislators to how licensing works, this will stay the same.

[Cathulhu]

Even if you had a physical copy, you wouldn't actually own the game on it. That would still be the property of the publisher and developer.

[Wolf Knight]

please tell use what online service allows you to make and sell your account? I dont know of any. you signed a contract, and that contract says NO SELLING or TRADING of the account.

non transferable makes it very easy for a company to know who the account belongs to, they dont have to deal with he said, she said, someone else agreed to something, etc. its straight forward, the person who made the account is the owner and the only person they will return it to.

[nullable]

Originally posted by CyberDragon:

Not being able to sell accounts makes no sense. It's like if Honda told you can't sell the car you own.

It's like using a bad analogy but being so ignorant of the differences between cars and web accounts you don't know it's a bad analogy.

When you signed up for Steam, you agreed that your account is not sellable. And when you buy games you agree the licenses aren't transferable.

Originally posted by CyberDragon:

It's our account and the games we bought and sometimes people work incredibly hard on those games and they will eventually stop gaming.

You should read all the terms you agreed to. Making claims from ignorance, or wanting to change the terms after the fact is quaint and all, but it's just a lazy argument of convenience.

Originally posted by CyberDragon:

Why must all their hard work go to waste? who's in charge Forest Gump? Fire him and get someone who ain't retarded. I'm tired of gamers being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by Steam. Let's put an end to it.

No one is being forced to use Steam. If you don't like the terms, don't create an account, or buy digitally distributed games anywhere, as the terms generally don't change on other stores either.

In short your plan to create a secondary market for games via account selling is never going to be implemented willingly by Valve or likely any platform.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by CyberDragon:

Buying and selling accounts

Not being able to sell accounts makes no sense. It's like if Honda told you can't sell the car you own. It's our account and the games we bought and sometimes people work incredibly hard on those games and they will eventually stop gaming. Why must all their hard work go to waste? who's in charge Forest Gump? Fire him and get someone who ain't retarded. I'm tired of gamers being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by Steam. Let's put an end to it.

Tell me one game company that allows you to sell your account...

I'll be waiting...

[R-]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

Even if you had a physical copy, you wouldn't actually own the game on it. That would still be the property of the publisher and developer.

you own the physical game copy but not the ip

[nullable]

Yeah, you own the worthless bit of plastic and metallic film. You don't own the IP. Or the software. You have a license to use the software, and the license terms for the software aren't very much different, the only difference is the distribution method and it's a bit harder for companies to control physical media versus digital media.

And in neither case do users ever much pay attention to the terms of the license in either case. But digital media allows the product owner to enforce the terms a bit easier, and people pretend the terms are new, when it's really just the enforcement that's new.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by CyberDragon:

Not being able to sell accounts makes no sense. It's like if Honda told you can't sell the car you own. It's our account and the games we bought and sometimes people work incredibly hard on those games and they will eventually stop gaming. Why must all their hard work go to waste? who's in charge Forest Gump? Fire him and get someone who ain't retarded. I'm tired of gamers being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by Steam. Let's put an end to it.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

C. Your Account

When you complete Steam’s registration process, you create a Steam account ("Account"). Your Account may also include billing information you provide to Valve for transactions concerning Subscriptions, Content and Services and the purchase of any physical goods through Steam (“Hardware”). You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve. You are responsible for the confidentiality of your login and password and for the security of your computer system. Valve is not responsible for the use of your password and Account or for all of the communication and activity on Steam that results from use of your login name and password by you, or by any person to whom you may have intentionally or by negligence disclosed your login and/or password in violation of this confidentiality provision. Unless it results from Valve’s negligence or fault, Valve is not responsible for the use of your Account by a person who fraudulently used your login and password without your permission. If you believe that the confidentiality of your login and/or password may have been compromised, you must notify Valve via the support form {LINK REMOVED}(https://support.steampowered.com/newticket.php) without any delay.

Your Account, including any information pertaining to it (e.g.: contact information, billing information, Account history and Subscriptions, etc.), is strictly personal. You may therefore not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) or as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve.

The last portion is relevant.

Also you seem to be aware of the reason in the topic from 3 years ago that you recently posted in.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3004430047187709332/#c3826424631151386305

[Lystent]

Steam accounts are more like personal ID cards more than cars. And steam ties product "copies" to the specific accounts, unlike what happened when you bought a hard copy of, say, an old console game. Steam isn't the most customer-friendly option ever, but I've seen worse DRM.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

Even if you had a physical copy, you wouldn't actually own the game on it. That would still be the property of the publisher and developer.

This is a remake of another thread, so I'll post the same thing here again: this is a very bad example which don't apply to this particular discussion. Otherwise you could not sell those disks in flea markets or second hand markets like you can totally do right now and those second hand markets would be illegal. They are not.

The main problem is more related to the fact that laws have not caught up to intangible ownership yet. In the case of a CD absolutely nobody is going to tell you that it is illegal to get rid of your physical copy because it automatically make it so you won't be able to use it again since the physical object is no longer in your possession. Not the same can be said about code or intangible entities like programs. Thus the problem.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

I'll say here what I said in the other thread, a majority of the accounts you see for sale on websites are botted or stolen.

[BlastARENA]

Originally posted by eram:

you dont own your account or the games.

you purchase licences to a game, so you dont even own your games no.

Yes, this is indeed true to a certain point. I don't agree with selling and buying accounts, and the account you do get after choosing to sign up is more of a license agreement. And while its still not Ubisoft connect nor EGS levels of screwyness, I don't think that just because its digital doesn't mean I have to love the idea of just purchasing a license. You and Cathulhu would make a fine addition to the EA and Ubisoft PR team, if I say so myself.

[CyberDragon]

Your car in real life can be stolen and sold for parts yet they still allow people to buy and sell cars. If the owner of a Steam account wants to sale then they should be able to. Also the rule about accounts only being for the person that orginaly made the account contradict the family share plan.

[󠄉󠀁󠀁󠁿󠁿]

If you would be incentivized by Steam to sell your account that is free, so would stealing accounts be insentivised by Valve corporations, if you would be able to sell accounts, Valve wouldn't simply would make less profit from it's business in Steam, since free dollars would be just handed into free accounts.

This will then affect the profit margins of the game developers, that money has to come from somewhere, since Steam would be basically giving free dollars to users, instead of the actual developers making the games.

Just a reminder that there is no such thing as free money in this world, money always comes from somewhere and selling the used Honda will rarely give the money back you invested in buying the Honda when it was new.

Even if, someone wins the lottery it is easy to think that is free money, but when you think about it, all that money comes from all the people, who did not win the lottery.