Fair enough. They disable Steam on Windows 7? I'm emptying my wishlist and limiting purchases.

[Stiletto]

It's so funny because so many of the "shut up and upgrade" bullies keep claiming that Steam's reason for doing this is that "you're not profitable". Folks, I've been on Steam since it launched. I've got several hundred games. I routinely buy at least a couple, if not several, every month. My wishlist is loaded. I've poured tons of money into Steam and were it not for this ridiculous new precedent of "disabling Steam for W7" instead of doing like everyone else and either providing a scaled-down version, or just letting people run the last supported version, I would continue to do so. But now? Now I'm emptying my wishlist. GOG or any upstart game platforms that don't lock my lawfully purchased games, many from decades before W10 even existed, behind a pointless W10 requirement, will be getting the money I was going to give to Valve. Any game I can buy and use without paying Steam, I will.

I figure I'll still need to use Steam to get State of Decay 3 because it's either that or the Microsoft Store. I might bend for Payday 3. But I'm now de-prioritizing Steam as having any access to my wallet. That's the trade-off you get for being the first major game platform to literally cripple your client. No, I'm not interested in the Valve acolytes lecturing me about how it's impossible for Steam to enable small mode or something comparable for W7 users so they can still access their games. And I'm even less interested in hearing the "muh security" meme for the 5000th time. You are literally pushing a marketing illusion, nothing more. Your personal and financial data has already been leaked by giant corporations(AND government agencies) multiple times and no operating system upgrade will affect that.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Many make this claim, but it's been disproven each and every time. The only way windows 7 would play games better, is if your hardware is leaning on the ancient level.

all the vids i have seen show win 10 barely beating win 7 in gaming.

also go spread your "ancient hardware" misinformation somewhere else and btw, they didnt make computers 1500-5000 yrs ago, so there aint no "ancient hardware" to be used.

My q9650 and gtx 280x3 is ancient in technology terms.

It can barely play even some indy games.

Once ya hit the 5 year mark on hardware, it's heavily outdated, used to be 1-2 years back in the 286-P233 era, and grew faster still after that.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

but I have pro... I'm not down-up-down grading.

You will not notice a difference.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

you also have to stop and ask yourself "why would microsoft be giving away windows 10? what reason would they have to give away their flagship product? what are they gaining from this?"

1: Market control.
2: They make billions just by selling licenses to business.
3: Get people to use Windows

It isn't some sort of conspiracy theory as to why they release it for free.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

indeed... what is microsoft gaining from giving me windows 10? why do they want me to use windows 10 so badly and where does the profit come in for them? are they advertising to me? selling my data? datamining? cryptofarming? who knows, but I'm sure it's not for my benefit.

The information that they take generates about 5% of their profits.
With a 70% market control on PCs too.

It's not the lucrative market you think it is.
Also you can turn off most of their gathering stuff and it's asked when you install the OS. Windows will not turn these back on.

all of those reasons are ludicrous

1: Market control. - they already had market control... they only reason they'd be afraid of losing it is if they're doing something anti-consumer.
2: They make billions just by selling licenses to business.- so? what company says "hey, lets make less money!"
3: Get people to use Windows - again, this wasn't a problem... as you said they sell tons of copies to the business market. windows wasn't suffering, mac wasn't taking over as business software anywhere except perhaps in graphics design fields and still they probably have a windows PC to do important things like taxes and banking...

idk what world you're living in, but selling user data is highly lucrative... how do you think google makes so much money? you think it's ads? well how do you think they can charge so much for their "targeted ads"? user data.

and it's not hard to see how microsoft would love the concept of getting people used to "windows as a service"... much better deal for them to sell a windows subscription for $100 per year then release a new product every 3 years for about $300 and try to force everyone to upgrade meanwhile some users continue to over-use their products getting hundreds of dollars of value out of them that they could have seen as profit!

I mean, assuming they make about $100 per year per person from their upgrade cycle I've personally cost them about $1000 in profits just by not upgrading my PC...

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

all of those reasons are ludicrous

1: Market control. - they already had market control... they only reason they'd be afraid of losing it is if they're doing something anti-consumer.
2: They make billions just by selling licenses to business.- so? what company says "hey, lets make less money!"
3: Get people to use Windows - again, this wasn't a problem... as you said they sell tons of copies to the business market. windows wasn't suffering, mac wasn't taking over as business software anywhere except perhaps in graphics design fields and still they probably have a windows PC to do important things like taxes and banking...

1: Never hurt to have more market control. Giving away something for free isn't exactly "Anti-consumer" behavior. Specially when it's a full blown OS that is given out for free.

2: As I said, getting more market control. The money they make from from actually selling keys to gamers is not a lot. Seeing how we buy 1 OS and stick with it for years.

3: I bought Win8.1 several years back. I have used the same key since then and I'm on Win11.
They would basically lose nothing if they gave it to me for free.
It's a business move and it obviously hasn't hurt them.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

idk what world you're living in, but selling user data is highly lucrative... how do you think google makes so much money? you think it's ads? well how do you think they can charge so much for their "targeted ads"? user data.

Microsoft are not allowed to sell "Identifiable userdata" as they can only sell anonymous data.
Even with Microsoft having a massive monopoly on PC market the revenue share from selling ads and such only make up 5% of the company profits.

The information that they sell has to be scrubbed of any personal information too. I googled around and some Microsoft employees have said that it's more of a hassle to go through it when you want to use it because you need to remove so much.

Also here is their legal page.
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/ccpa

The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 (“CCPA”) became effective on January 1, 2020 and created a variety of privacy rights for California consumers. In November 2020, California amended the CCPA, effective January 1, 2023. Additionally, Virginia (effective January 1, 2023), Colorado (effective July 1, 2023), Connecticut (July 1, 2023), and Utah (December 31, 2023) have passed laws extending similar privacy rights to their consumers. We use this notice to make disclosures required by these state laws.

They have to follow the state law.

Also I wouldn't know of targeted ads because I run Ad blocker on my internet browser. Doesn't most people do this already?

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

and it's not hard to see how microsoft would love the concept of getting people used to "windows as a service"... much better deal for them to sell a windows subscription for $100 per year then release a new product every 3 years for about $300 and try to force everyone to upgrade meanwhile some users continue to over-use their products getting hundreds of dollars of value out of them that they could have seen as profit!

I mean, assuming they make about $100 per year per person from their upgrade cycle I've personally cost them about $1000 in profits just by not upgrading my PC...

That is utterly ridiculous to think that they would get away with charging $100 per year when people use the same OS for a decade.
The average person is not upgrading their OS every year.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

only reason they'd be afraid of losing it is if they're doing something anti-consumer.

Giving away something for free isn't exactly "Anti-consumer" behavior.

that's not what I said?
and unless the stats have changed a lot gamers aren't even the majority of home PC users.

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

idk what world you're living in, but selling user data is highly lucrative... how do you think google makes so much money? you think it's ads? well how do you think they can charge so much for their "targeted ads"? user data.

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

...
Also here is their legal page.
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/ccpa

The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 (“CCPA”) became effective on January 1, 2020 and created a variety of privacy rights for California consumers. In November 2020, California amended the CCPA, effective January 1, 2023. Additionally, Virginia (effective January 1, 2023), Colorado (effective July 1, 2023), Connecticut (July 1, 2023), and Utah (December 31, 2023) have passed laws extending similar privacy rights to their consumers. We use this notice to make disclosures required by these state laws.

They have to follow the state law.

well I for one feel a lot better knowing that microsoft has to comply with a set of laws

for California consumers

>.>

incase you're not aware, that only applies to residents of california. those other versions for other states only apply to those respective states... these are state laws, not federal laws... and that's totally ignoring that windows is an international product...

so ya, maybe the state of california could charge microsoft for crimes in the state of california... don't think that matters to them TBH.

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

and it's not hard to see how microsoft would love the concept of getting people used to "windows as a service"... much better deal for them to sell a windows subscription for $100 per year then release a new product every 3 years for about $300 and try to force everyone to upgrade meanwhile some users continue to over-use their products getting hundreds of dollars of value out of them that they could have seen as profit!

I mean, assuming they make about $100 per year per person from their upgrade cycle I've personally cost them about $1000 in profits just by not upgrading my PC...

That is utterly ridiculous to think that they would get away with charging $100 per year when people use the same OS for a decade.
The average person is not upgrading their OS every year.

the average person doesn't even buy an OS...

[Halogod35]

I didn't read any of the comment section, but if you want to keep using steam on Windows 7/8.1 after it ends, just follow these steps.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/14e6ocq/comment/jujkhcr/

[kinnamonpeyton]

I have done a little bit of digging, and I've read a couple forums. But if Steam disables Windows 7/8.1 support by bricking the client with a patch of some kind (or so I've heard), then would it be possible to block the updates altogether? Well on one of these forums there were a few flags you could add to your Stream shortcut as seen here: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1639788130289877816/

Now, it's highly unlikely to work because as stated in the forum referenced, Valve doesn't mension fixing any security exploits in its change log. The client will download updates but won't install them, and it may pose a security threat as an older client without any security patches connects to the servers. I hope this will help any Windows 7/8.1 users and I hope it might be worth mentioning here.

EDIT: I might've gotten here a little too late

[Ni-Neith]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

That is utterly ridiculous to think that they would get away with charging $100 per year when people use the same OS for a decade.
The average person is not upgrading their OS every year.

Unfortunately, it is not.
Technological progress is accelerating every year. Updates will appear more frequently.
For example, we pay every year to renew the license for antivirus, and this no longer surprises anyone.

[leh2012]

Publicado originalmente por Bugor:

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

That is utterly ridiculous to think that they would get away with charging $100 per year when people use the same OS for a decade.
The average person is not upgrading their OS every year.

Unfortunately, it is not.
Technological progress is accelerating every year. Updates will appear more frequently.
For example, we pay every year to renew the license for antivirus, and this no longer surprises anyone.

I don't know for what you are paying every year though. I've been using free antivirus software for a long time and it works just fine for me. But to each their own.

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por Rubber Johnny:

You can update to windows 10 for free. Why wouldn’t you want to? It’s a pretty stable OS and is optimized for gaming.

because the free upgrade is a dumbed-down bare-bones version of windows that doesn't even allow you to fully manage your PC?

why would I want to move from a pro version of windows to a hand-holdy playpen verison? might as well run windows bob.

you can use windows 10 pro completely free, no one forces you to buy windows 10 pro

its completely usable for free they dont lock you out of anything other then changing wall paper, screensaver, and resizing taskbar

plus you just get a watermark on your screen

the os is completely usable with watermark

you can use wallpaper engine to change wallpaper

[MonkehMaster]

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

because the free upgrade is a dumbed-down bare-bones version of windows that doesn't even allow you to fully manage your PC?

why would I want to move from a pro version of windows to a hand-holdy playpen verison? might as well run windows bob.

you can use windows 10 pro completely free, no one forces you to buy windows 10 pro

its completely usable for free they dont lock you out of anything other then changing wall paper, screensaver, and resizing taskbar

plus you just get a watermark on your screen

the os is completely usable with watermark

you can use wallpaper engine to change wallpaper

wallpaper engine lol.... that porn littered steam program sucks, i wouldnt suggest anyone use that bs.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

you can use windows 10 pro completely free, no one forces you to buy windows 10 pro

its completely usable for free they dont lock you out of anything other then changing wall paper, screensaver, and resizing taskbar

plus you just get a watermark on your screen

the os is completely usable with watermark

you can use wallpaper engine to change wallpaper

wallpaper engine lol.... that porn littered steam program sucks.

Then don't search for porn in the wallpapers or use sources that don't allow NSFW.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

you can use windows 10 pro completely free, no one forces you to buy windows 10 pro

its completely usable for free they dont lock you out of anything other then changing wall paper, screensaver, and resizing taskbar

plus you just get a watermark on your screen

the os is completely usable with watermark

you can use wallpaper engine to change wallpaper

wallpaper engine lol.... that porn littered steam program sucks, i wouldnt suggest anyone use that bs.

when you need to hack your OS to use it there's a problem.

[MonkehMaster]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

wallpaper engine lol.... that porn littered steam program sucks.

Then don't search for porn in the wallpapers or use sources that don't allow NSFW.

the whole wallpaper workshop is filled with porn and you really just said dont search for it.... you dont have to search for it... its already there, plastered on darn near every page... 90% of that workshop is actual porn and/or anime porn nonsense.

anywho, i dont own nor would i even buy or use wallpaper engine... i can just use the OS and its wallpapers for free.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

wallpaper engine lol.... that porn littered steam program sucks, i wouldnt suggest anyone use that bs.

when you need to hack your OS to use it there's a problem.

Wallpaper Engine isn't a hack. You can literally use the OS without it as well.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Then don't search for porn in the wallpapers or use sources that don't allow NSFW.

the whole wallpaper workshop is filled with porn and you really just said dont search for it.... you dont have to search for it... its already there, plastered on darn near every page...

anywho, i dont own nor would i even buy or use wallpaper engine... i can just use the OS and its wallpapers for free.

The OS doesn't allow animated wallpapers.