Secret exclusivity?

[Pierce Dalton]

Why some franchises like Resident Evil only release their games on Steam?

[Start_Running]

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

What about Rockstar/Take Two? Don't they "want an audience who will actually spend money on their games"?

You really gotta meditate a bit more before building such arguments.

No need to Meditate. DUIfferent companies. Different People. Different factors being weighed. Different weightings to the factors.

DOes the idea that two different entities would come to two different decisions really mystify you?

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

So like, after ten minutes of research, Bandai Namco and Capcom just don't like Epic Games Store due to conflicts of interest and not as mature a platform. That simple.

Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes they just don't like the other store on some personal level. Humans be Humans.

Sometimes the answer is "I don't like Tim Sweeney"

[Babi Gendut]

Yep there is no reason for them to skip egs. Getting 88% of revenue compared to 70% is always better regardless the player gaps.

If I am a game developers/publishers I would rather my customers move to store that give me a better cut or make my current store to match the cut from it's competitors. And I'm not the only one who thinks that : https://gdconf.com/news/gdc-state-industry-devs-irked-30-percent-storefront-revenue-cuts

So when these big publishers doesn't release games on epic (especially when they use unreal engine that give them even less money on steam), I smell something fishy with them and valve. I believe they secretly managed to negotiate a special cut with steam for exclusive deals.

[Komarimaru]

Last I checked, Capcom uses their own engines, as does Bandai Namco. It's one reason they won't release on EGS due to previous issues, e.i. conflicts of interest.

That and steam's cut drops based on sales. 30%, 25%, 20%.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

They aren't hard up for that Epic money like Square-Enix is. Even after getting that Fortnite money for Tomb Raider being free, they still sold off the franchise to Embracer Group.

[Pierce Dalton]

Seraphita の投稿を引用：

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

No, you're forgetting (intentionally, perhaps) that Epic has drm, so this isn't about "drm vs no drm". And yet you state that I am the one in bad faith here.

Yes, you are. (Easily proven). Let's correct you here since you think you're smart. Before I've made this post, I went to search about epic drm and people said they didn't enforce DRM by themselves but they didn't stop devs from putting theirs. (3rd party launchers, etc)

Anything to disprove me on this one or? If I was in bad faith, I'd purposefully lie or ignore arguments (like you're doing) in hope to strengthen my own. Being incorrect on a thing or two isn't arguing in bad faith. But if I'm incorrect, surely you can also correct me, then...

Let's take that other angle. If the thread is ONLY about why RE isn't other stores then we've already answered you with my good hypothesis (that you denied or didn't like). Otherwise, you have your answers and the only ones who can help you from here is capcom. =/

I've already said, more than once, that this isn't about RE, that's just an example. COD, NFS, Forza, Tekken... none of these franchises can be found on Epic/GOG. The reason why new games aren't released on GOG is plain obvious, but these franchises have old titles that have been "out in the wild" for quite some time. Therefore, releasing them on GOG would not make anything worse in that regard.

Now, I'm rather curious, what have you proved? And how? You spent most of your time here saying "you're wrong because RE is on console too"... which is something any gamer on Earth knows already.

As for Epic, they do not enforce DRM but they're fine with Denuvo and that's the only thing that matters for the AAA industry. It's not like GOG where if your game uses Denuvo they can't accept it, that's the whole point. Everything boils down to:

Why some companies don't release their old games on GOG, if they have been shared to hell and back already?

Why some companies don't release their new games on Epic, if they can use DRM and profit more per unit sold?

There's nothing to lose in both situations. Heck, some people even re-buy games they already have on Steam when they're released on GOG, if you read reviews there you eventually see comments like "I have this game on Steam but I had to purchase it again here..."

[Start_Running]

Babi Gendut の投稿を引用：

Yep there is no reason for them to skip egs. Getting 88% of revenue compared to 70% is always better regardless the player gaps.

Except it really isn't because again the sort of players EGS appeals to are basically the ones that are there for free stuff.. Also as mentioned since CAPCOM doesn't use any EPic tech they don';t actually see much gain.

And as said sometimes "I don't like Tim Sweeney" is enough of a reason.
Where a company choose to release or not to release is their business decision. You want to know why? Ask them.

If you just want sensational speculation based on whatever conspiracy theory you can pull out of hot air...well go right ahead.

And lets face it that 80% probably isn't that much of a thing otherwiseEpic wouldn't need to buy exclusivity.

And pierce just because a game has been pirated is not an argument for abandoning drm. .
I mean does the fact that someone broke into your house make you say "No point in locking the door"?

[Pierce Dalton]

KlowN の投稿を引用：

but resident evil is on all platforms not just steam

Ah, consoles? Yeah...

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Babi Gendut の投稿を引用：

Yep there is no reason for them to skip egs. Getting 88% of revenue compared to 70% is always better regardless the player gaps.

And pierce just because a game has been pirated is not an argument for abandoning drm. .
I mean does the fact that someone broke into your house make you say "No point in locking the door"?

Abandoning drm? Several old games don't have drm anymore. Including Steam games that can be played without being logged.

[Pierce Dalton]

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

So like, after ten minutes of research, Bandai Namco and Capcom just don't like Epic Games Store due to conflicts of interest and not as mature a platform. That simple.

Care to share a link? Not finding anything here.

I've found this, though, ironically:
https://twitter.com/DotEsports/status/1452585729171894281

https://esportschimp.com/lol/50451.html

[Babi Gendut]

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

Last I checked, Capcom uses their own engines, as does Bandai Namco.

Maybe not for Capcom. But tekken 7 for example, developed and published by Bandai Namco is built on unreal engine.

It's one reason they won't release on EGS due to previous issues, e.i. conflicts of interest.

Yeah it is probably conflict of interest with Valve.

That and steam's cut drops based on sales. 30%, 25%, 20%.

When even the lowest cut on steam is still more than egs, it doesn't make sense for devs to not release games on egs. Unless valve offers some undisclosed cut that only available to some wealthy publishers.

[Babi Gendut]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Babi Gendut の投稿を引用：

Yep there is no reason for them to skip egs. Getting 88% of revenue compared to 70% is always better regardless the player gaps.

Except it really isn't because again the sort of players EGS appeals to are basically the ones that are there for free stuff.. Also as mentioned since CAPCOM doesn't use any EPic tech they don';t actually see much gain.

Or maybe because steam hoard all the famous exclusive games, most people who want to buy on egs have no choice but to buy them on steam and while still collecting free games from egs.

Yes, Capcom doesn't make games with unreal engine (yet). But I my arguments are not specifically just for Capcom. Many steam exclusive publishers/developers like fromsoftware and Bandai Namco, are using epic technologies, be it UE, EAC and EOS. So your following arguments doesn't make sense anymore :

And as said sometimes "I don't like Tim Sweeney" is enough of a reason.
Where a company choose to release or not to release is their business decision. You want to know why? Ask them.

Oh silly you silly boy. It's CEOs and stakeholders of multi billions dollars companies we are talking about, not just some random losers from epic haters club. These people won't make business decisions based on shallow hate towards one particular person or company. They will go to hell and back just to get 1% more money, let alone 8% - 18%.

Of course I won't get any answer just by asking them, especially if there is a non disclosure contract between them and valve.

If you just want sensational speculation based on whatever conspiracy theory you can pull out of hot air...well go right ahead.

Valve doing secret exclusive deals maybe conspirational but it does make sense in current situation.

On the other hand, your theory about steam exclusives publishers hate epic or tim sweeney is just plain dumb. And it's already debunked by pierce.

[Sleepy Yoshi]

Bandai Namco:

“We cannot do everything and Japanese [companies] are not risk averse but we’re going slowly. So we have a full platform strategy. The main focus for us is the consumer and the brand. And for each brand we decide what’s the best way to satisfy the consumer and to engage the widest audience possible.

So for instance, I don’t see any point of putting Tekken 7 on Epic Store. Epic is just another store. It’s fantastic, they have a lot of strength and [lots of] users, the business model is attractive to us because it’s more profitable but still, their interest is, if I’m correct, exclusivity. And this is not our vision. We want our content to be available for as many fans as possible. I don’t think we’ll deal with Epic in the short term, while we have this strategy. But of course, if they’re open, we’ll go there.”

How sound that reasoning is, is of course up for debate and it could have been said completely for optics(which is my opinion), but "I don't see any point..." could be a thought others share. Or it could be some other reasons entirely unrelated. Speculation is all that can be done unless Capcom comes and directly and says why and well said speculation....isn't worth a whole lot.

I get a kick out of the notion Valve's paying them on the sly though. Must be some very nice money given it means Capcom would have to commit fraud.

[Komarimaru]

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

So like, after ten minutes of research, Bandai Namco and Capcom just don't like Epic Games Store due to conflicts of interest and not as mature a platform. That simple.

Care to share a link? Not finding anything here.

I've found this, though, ironically:
https://twitter.com/DotEsports/status/1452585729171894281

https://esportschimp.com/lol/50451.html

Sorry, meant Konami, not Bandai. Konami and Capcom for some reason avoid the platform, and ignore any and all requests about it. Some say due to conflicts in the past, some day due to how they see the platform vs Steam as inadequate. Some said it was due to EGS trying to pressure exclusive releases which neither company wanted.

I could believe the latter, since when you lock an exclusive to EGS, you're screwed either way. And EGS exclusives have never paid off for the developer/publisher vs just releasing normally.

Either way, Steam never offers exclusives. They just state you cannot promise to release on Steam to then backpeddle and release exclusive on another store.

[Babi Gendut]

Sleepy Yoshi の投稿を引用：

Bandai Namco:

“We cannot do everything and Japanese [companies] are not risk averse but we’re going slowly. So we have a full platform strategy. The main focus for us is the consumer and the brand. And for each brand we decide what’s the best way to satisfy the consumer and to engage the widest audience possible.

So for instance, I don’t see any point of putting Tekken 7 on Epic Store. Epic is just another store. It’s fantastic, they have a lot of strength and [lots of] users, the business model is attractive to us because it’s more profitable but still, their interest is, if I’m correct, exclusivity. And this is not our vision. We want our content to be available for as many fans as possible. I don’t think we’ll deal with Epic in the short term, while we have this strategy. But of course, if they’re open, we’ll go there.”

How sound that reasoning is, is of course up for debate and it could have been said completely for optics, but "I don't see any point..." could be a thought others share. Or it could be some other reasons entirely unrelated. Speculation is all that can be done unless Capcom comes and directly and says why and well....that's not worth a whole lot.

You forgot to mention that was the story from 2019. Egs is open to non exclusive games since 2020. They even have a self publishing tools that anyone can use to sell games on egs.

Not releasing games on egs today is the opposite of "to engage the widest audience possible". So it doesn't make sense anymore for big publishers not to release their games on egs. Unless they already have a deal with valve.

[Babi Gendut]

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

Either way, Steam never offers exclusives. They just state you cannot promise to release on Steam to then backpeddle and release exclusive on another store.

No one can prove that until steam exclusive publishers also release games to other store.

Valve have history of doing exclusive deals in the past for indie games like darwinia. So I would not be surprised if they did it again to suppress epic market growth.