My solution for 2024 windows 7 support- A VIRTUAL MACHINE INSTALLATION

[Athens]

If Steam refuses to work on windows 7 I'll simply run windows 10 or 11 in a virtual box and link the steam installation from the virtual box to my Windows 7 install.
No need to cry about it and throw a fit. The argument many windows 7 users have is their PC does everything they want fine, and they like 7.

Windows 7 has been a great unobtrusive OS and I plan to continue using it until Microsoft stops re skinning it and calling it 8-10-11-12 or whatever new OS number they want to staple to it.
Literally the only program I use that has "dropped" windows 7 has been Quickbooks and I simply run that in a VM. The same will work for Steam.
Not worried about any performance impacts. I've tested this before when windows 10 was new and this machine has plenty of power and resources headroom to make any changes not worth the effort.
The Red warning banner is offensive. I'll find a way to remove that and continue on as I have been.

[IceFoxX]

Escrito originalmente por Eagle_of_Fire:

Even with Windows 10, there was definitely quite a lot of examples of games which didn't fire up on the spot when hitting the play button that I can relate to.

Messing around to make a game "playable" by changing options or making sure it run optimally is not optional in PC gaming. If anything it is a rite of passage. Yes, Linux is going to ensure that you do that way more often than simply running everything directly in Windows 10 but using that as an excuse is, to my eyes, pretty hypocritical.

The only exclusion here is anything kernel based is obviously not going to work in Linux out of the box and maybe not at all. And that's almost exclusively multiplayer games, more precisely that "precious" anti-cheat they all use and never actually work.

Well MS could release directX as open source... Windows has also only prevailed because of its dirty ways in the past. This doesn't even include DirectX but the whole gag contracts, which allowed their closed source stuff to prevail in the first place. Just think what kind of effort that is. Same example Nvidia... Nvidia is not recommended for Linux... they are even more closed to the Linux community... which is why the drivers are already worse. If there then what makes problems yo then that's bad luck but are things that you can not blame Linux. Are rather the obstacles that are put in the way of Linux by other companies.

https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk

[Eisdrache]

Escrito originalmente por IceFoxX:

Escrito originalmente por Eagle_of_Fire:

Even with Windows 10, there was definitely quite a lot of examples of games which didn't fire up on the spot when hitting the play button that I can relate to.

Messing around to make a game "playable" by changing options or making sure it run optimally is not optional in PC gaming. If anything it is a rite of passage. Yes, Linux is going to ensure that you do that way more often than simply running everything directly in Windows 10 but using that as an excuse is, to my eyes, pretty hypocritical.

The only exclusion here is anything kernel based is obviously not going to work in Linux out of the box and maybe not at all. And that's almost exclusively multiplayer games, more precisely that "precious" anti-cheat they all use and never actually work.

Well MS could release directX as open source... Windows has also only prevailed because of its dirty ways in the past. This doesn't even include DirectX but the whole gag contracts, which allowed their closed source stuff to prevail in the first place. Just think what kind of effort that is. Same example Nvidia... Nvidia is not recommended for Linux... they are even more closed to the Linux community... which is why the drivers are already worse. If there then what makes problems yo then that's bad luck but are things that you can not blame Linux. Are rather the obstacles that are put in the way of Linux by other companies.

https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk

Maybe thats the reason why I have no trouble in Linux. I still have a AMD Vega 56

Escrito originalmente por 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

I wouldn't say that if I were you. As I already said: I tried Linux and more than half of the games in my steam library won't run and can't be made to run. I wouldn't write statements like that if I were you. I'm pretty sure it's not possible that every single game you own can all run in Linux.

Because that sounds more like a driver issue to me.

Escrito originalmente por 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Escrito originalmente por Eisdrache:

Maybe your GPU doesn't support Vulkan properly.

It's an RTX 3070 Ti. It should fully support all video rendering API's ever released.

Have you tried the nvidia proprietary drivers instead of the open source ones?

[Arokhantos]

I would just install linux its better and more stable anyway in case of very old hardware tho it requires bit more work to get everything to work, something Valve can do is if system does not support vulkan to fallback to opengl etc, steam proton does not do this right now there ways to do it but its annoying to setup i just end up setting launch property per game to open gl in case of my 10+ year old laptop for example, but it is possible.

[RebelStreamers]

Escrito originalmente por Athens:

If Steam refuses to work on windows 7 I'll simply run windows 10 or 11 in a virtual box and link the steam installation from the virtual box to my Windows 7 install.
No need to cry about it and throw a fit. The argument many windows 7 users have is their PC does everything they want fine, and they like 7.

Windows 7 has been a great unobtrusive OS and I plan to continue using it until Microsoft stops re skinning it and calling it 8-10-11-12 or whatever new OS number they want to staple to it.
Literally the only program I use that has "dropped" windows 7 has been Quickbooks and I simply run that in a VM. The same will work for Steam.
Not worried about any performance impacts. I've tested this before when windows 10 was new and this machine has plenty of power and resources headroom to make any changes not worth the effort.
The Red warning banner is offensive. I'll find a way to remove that and continue on as I have been.

BAD IDEA

Battleye detects even VFIO with no OS expose to VM now. That means the VM has 3d acceleration and it can create another VM!

How i know?

i have created a VFIO VM WIN 10 machine to use as remote gaming machine and stream pc when i am at my home with official win10 licence and Battleye blocked rainbow 6 with a message for virtual machine, probable by scanning the installed drivers!

that happened during my summer holidays a month ago but i doubt if something changed since then.

p.s. The other anticheat, easy anticheat didn't block my games if you wonder what this anticheat is doing

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Escrito originalmente por RebelStreamers:

Escrito originalmente por Athens:

If Steam refuses to work on windows 7 I'll simply run windows 10 or 11 in a virtual box and link the steam installation from the virtual box to my Windows 7 install.
No need to cry about it and throw a fit. The argument many windows 7 users have is their PC does everything they want fine, and they like 7.

Windows 7 has been a great unobtrusive OS and I plan to continue using it until Microsoft stops re skinning it and calling it 8-10-11-12 or whatever new OS number they want to staple to it.
Literally the only program I use that has "dropped" windows 7 has been Quickbooks and I simply run that in a VM. The same will work for Steam.
Not worried about any performance impacts. I've tested this before when windows 10 was new and this machine has plenty of power and resources headroom to make any changes not worth the effort.
The Red warning banner is offensive. I'll find a way to remove that and continue on as I have been.

BAD IDEA

Battleye detects even VFIO with no OS expose to VM now. That means the VM has 3d acceleration and it can create another VM!

How i know?

i have created a VFIO VM WIN 10 machine to use as remote gaming machine and stream pc when i am at my home with official win10 licence and Battleye blocked rainbow 6 with a message for virtual machine, probable by scanning the installed drivers!

that happened during my summer holidays a month ago but i doubt if something changed since then.

p.s. The other anticheat, easy anticheat didn't block my games if you wonder what this anticheat is doing

Likely it's querying the BIOS information.

[RebelStreamers]

Escrito originalmente por Crashed:

Escrito originalmente por RebelStreamers:

BAD IDEA

Battleye detects even VFIO with no OS expose to VM now. That means the VM has 3d acceleration and it can create another VM!

How i know?

i have created a VFIO VM WIN 10 machine to use as remote gaming machine and stream pc when i am at my home with official win10 licence and Battleye blocked rainbow 6 with a message for virtual machine, probable by scanning the installed drivers!

that happened during my summer holidays a month ago but i doubt if something changed since then.

p.s. The other anticheat, easy anticheat didn't block my games if you wonder what this anticheat is doing

Likely it's querying the BIOS information.

no, drivers is the reason. battleye is looking for drivers signatures.


i installed virtio drivers for windows to make windows 10 run in VM and these driver signatures are on disk / network drivers.


actually, battleye is a well known drivers and HWID monitoring tool but imo it creates more problems than stopping hackers at least to the games i am playing (PUBG, R6)


2 examples that shouldn't for any reason be the reasons for blocking!!!

1. Corsair - icu

https://forum.corsair.com/forums/topic/155888-icue-closes-whenever-i-start-a-game/

2. Intel - Vga driver

https://steamcommunity.com/app/359550/discussions/1/1734342793782768147

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Escrito originalmente por RebelStreamers:

Escrito originalmente por Crashed:

Likely it's querying the BIOS information.

no, drivers is the reason. battleye is looking for drivers signatures.


i installed red hat drivers to make windows 10 run in VM and the red hat signatures are on disk / network drivers.


actually, battleye is a well known drivers and HWID monitoring tool but imo it creates more problems than stopping hackers at least to the games i am playing (PUBG, R6)


2 examples that shouldn't for any reason be the reasons for blocking!!!

1. Corsair - icu

https://forum.corsair.com/forums/topic/155888-icue-closes-whenever-i-start-a-game/

2. Intel - Vga driver

https://steamcommunity.com/app/359550/discussions/1/1734342793782768147

Still, by default the QEMU part of the virtual machine platform is providing its own branded BIOS, and also disks are most likely branded QEMU or virtio too.

[RebelStreamers]

Escrito originalmente por Crashed:

Escrito originalmente por RebelStreamers:

no, drivers is the reason. battleye is looking for drivers signatures.


i installed red hat drivers to make windows 10 run in VM and the red hat signatures are on disk / network drivers.


actually, battleye is a well known drivers and HWID monitoring tool but imo it creates more problems than stopping hackers at least to the games i am playing (PUBG, R6)


2 examples that shouldn't for any reason be the reasons for blocking!!!

1. Corsair - icu

https://forum.corsair.com/forums/topic/155888-icue-closes-whenever-i-start-a-game/

2. Intel - Vga driver

https://steamcommunity.com/app/359550/discussions/1/1734342793782768147

Still, by default the QEMU part of the virtual machine platform is providing its own branded BIOS, and also disks are most likely branded QEMU or virtio too.

msinfo32 reports the same info with the native installed win 10 OS...

THE ONLY THAT DIFFERS IS THE DRIVERS SIGNATURES!

i have more than 1 same pc with the same H/W and i know what i am saying here...

[lsdninja]

Escrito originalmente por IceFoxX:

Same example Nvidia... Nvidia is not recommended for Linux... they are even more closed to the Linux community... which is why the drivers are already worse.

You know, I remember when nVidia was the darling of Linux circles, how times change…

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Escrito originalmente por RebelStreamers:

Escrito originalmente por Crashed:

Still, by default the QEMU part of the virtual machine platform is providing its own branded BIOS, and also disks are most likely branded QEMU or virtio too.

msinfo32 reports the same info with the native installed win 10 OS...

THE ONLY THAT DIFFERS IS THE DRIVERS SIGNATURES!

i have more than 1 same pc with the same H/W and i know what i am saying here...

System manufacturer and model aren't specific to QEMU/KVM?

[IceFoxX]

Escrito originalmente por lsdninja:

Escrito originalmente por IceFoxX:

Same example Nvidia... Nvidia is not recommended for Linux... they are even more closed to the Linux community... which is why the drivers are already worse.

You know, I remember when nVidia was the darling of Linux circles, how times change…

nvidia was always working against linux community and nvidias linux driver WAS always a mess because besides binary blob anything else is done with reverse engineering.
MS Nvidia Intel they got there illegal methods and they still using them... besides directX how much nvidia proprietary stuff is used in games ( and since when.. ) . anyway there was already enough nvidia ♥♥♥♥ against amd .... or intel with compiler flags which slow downs ryzen/amd...
( but well k amd released ♥♥♥♥ in history too...)

[lsdninja]

Escrito originalmente por IceFoxX:

Escrito originalmente por lsdninja:

You know, I remember when nVidia was the darling of Linux circles, how times change…

nvidia was always working against linux community and nvidias linux driver WAS always a mess because besides binary blob anything else is done with reverse engineering.
MS Nvidia Intel they got there illegal methods and they still using them... besides directX how much nvidia proprietary stuff is used in games ( and since when.. ) . anyway there was already enough nvidia ♥♥♥♥ against amd .... or intel with compiler flags which slow downs ryzen/amd...
( but well k amd released ♥♥♥♥ in history too...)

This was circa 2002-2003, there weren’t any open source AMD drivers yet and AMDs binary blob was slower than nVidia’s (and Intel, well they weren’t quite the force in integrated graphics they’d later become). You asked what video card to buy for a Linux rig and you were almost always recommended nVidia. I bought a (Radeon) 9500 Pro anyway since it was the better price/performance choice and I didn’t much care about gaming in Linux. Fglrx actually worked better than I was expecting in that situation, at least until some combination of the xfree and/or kernel team would sabotage it somehow.

[IceFoxX]

Well with the combination MS Nvidia Intel I mean the early days to displace ATI/AMD. Say, for example, the gag contracts PC's only with certain combinations in the range, etc.
The whole thing has of course affected the reputations of the respective companies and for ATI/AMD of course in the negative. That had influence on the entire development to the market power and consolidation. (All the worse the effects for AMD with e.g. Bulldozer. )

Sadly was not a lucky owner.. but remember 3dfx and Voodoo? Well sweet sweet nvidia

[ktulu84]

too much effort just too keep your outdated OS lol

virtual machine method wont even work anyways, you have to launch steam in order to play games.

Escrito originalmente por Athens:

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The Red warning banner is offensive. I'll find a way to remove that and continue on as I have been.

Get a job dude

[Defeatist]

Escrito originalmente por boray:

too much effort just too keep your outdated OS lol

virtual machine method wont even work anyways, you have to launch steam in order to play games

We can launch Steam via VM Win 10