so how many people have windows 7?

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

i understand vovlo gave windows 7 users a full years notice to either go to linux or upgrade to windows 10 (no screw mac os) but how many people really use windows 7? because it seems alot of people are kinda butthurt over this yet they dont use windows 7. also windows 7 bad

[КрендельФигов]

Originally posted by Zefar:

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

None negative numbers, only that i see on TITLE Steam page https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=pc
the contents of which I trust.
DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 15.96% (middle top graph)
Exclude exist subsection Vista amd XP turns out what is being said Windows 7, 8, 8.1 Two last not popular OS.

DirectX12 does not run on Windows 7.

It includes GPUs from Windows 10 and Windows 11 users.

That is why the "&" symbol is used because it stands for "And" which means it includes more stuff.

You can not look at that GPU graph and determine what OS they are using.
For that you look at the OS Graph that Steam hardware have supplied.

DirectX12 does not run on Windows 7.
Yes. But it doesn't affect hardware GPU ability.

It includes GPUs from Windows 10 and Windows 11 users.
No. Windows 10 and Windows 11 (as build of Windows 10) have own subsection.
DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 explicitly stated !PRE!

That is why the "&" symbol is used because it stands for "And" which means it includes more stuff.
Insinuation. Ampersand always means LOGICAL AND.

You can not look at that GPU graph and determine what OS they are using.
But i can.

[Aachen]

What’s your basis for claiming ampersand always (only?) represents AND?

…. & I doubt you can prove it.

[КрендельФигов]

Originally posted by Aachen:

What’s your basis for claiming ampersand always (only?) represents AND?

…. & I doubt you can prove it.

Oh my God!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand

[Aachen]

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

Oh my God!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand

…. &?

from tLA, “Usage:”

…. Ampersands are commonly seen in business names formed from a partnership of two or more people, such as Johnson & Johnson, Dolce & Gabbana, Marks & Spencer, and Tiffany & Co., as well as some abbreviations containing the word and, such as AT&T (American Telephone and Telegraph), A&P (supermarkets), P&O (originally "Peninsular and Oriental", shipping and logistics company), R&D (research and development), D&B (drum and bass), D&D (Dungeons & Dragons), R&B (rhythm and blues), B&B (bed and breakfast), and P&L (profit and loss).[15][16]

In film credits for stories, screenplays, etc., & indicates a closer collaboration than and. The ampersand is used by the Writers Guild of America to denote two writers collaborating on a specific script, rather than one writer rewriting another's work. In screenplays, two authors joined with & collaborated on the script, while two authors joined with and worked on the script at different times and may not have consulted each other at all.[17][18] In the latter case, they both contributed enough significant material to the screenplay to receive credit but did not work together. As a result, both & and and may appear in the same credit, as appropriate to how the writing proceeded.

In APA style, the ampersand is used when citing sources in text such as (Jones & Jones, 2005). In the list of references, an ampersand precedes the last author's name when there is more than one author.[19] (This does not apply to MLA style, which calls for the "and" to be spelled.[20])

The phrase et cetera ("and so forth"), usually written as etc. can be abbreviated &c. representing the combination et + c(etera).

The ampersand can be used to indicate that the "and" in a listed item is a part of the item's name and not a separator (e.g. "Rock, pop, rhythm & blues and hip hop").

The ampersand may still be used as an abbreviation for "and" in informal writing regardless of how "and" is used ….

Ampersand does not “always mean logical and,” even per your preferred souce.

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

face it windows 7 is ending and its a good thing because then it will force the less then 1.5% to conform to windows 10. windows 7 is a bad os and never was be glad that valve is making these "Users" upgrade to something better

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Originally posted by cheeki breekiv1.1:

face it windows 7 is ending and its a good thing because then it will force the less then 1.5% to conform to windows 10. windows 7 is a bad os and never was be glad that valve is making these "Users" upgrade to something better

agrreed

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

If anyone is really that butthurt about this, just install Linux, like ARch or Gento or something, it's not that hard people, like 6 year old can do it like easy so do that

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Originally posted by cheeki breekiv1.1:

If anyone is really that butthurt about this, just install Linux, like ARch or Gento or something, it's not that hard people, like 6 year old can do it like easy so do that

yar

[КрендельФигов]

Support windows 10 will end in a year (official info) and all going to Win11. I hope Steam stop support this deprecated OS too.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Eiswolfin:

Makes no sense using those numbers when we have Steams survey.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

About 1.36% of Steam user use Windows 7, so well below 2 million, and that number will significantly drop over time as these people upgrade to Windows 10, it'll end up with significantly less than 1% that will refuse to upgrade to Windows 10.

Yeah, it was already pointed out that those numbers are sketch.
Because the worldwide users of 5.6% include office PC, stuff like ATM software and so on.
Large portions of those Windows 7 PC dont use Steam.
On Steam its just about 1.3% who still use Windows 7, thats because PC gamers usually upgrade to new hardware/software regularly.

Bringing up those 5.6% worldwide and transferring them 1:1 to Steam is a just a dishonest argument to score some points for their " many still use Windows 7 to game!" narrative.

Every statistical scientist will tell you that the Steam Hardware Survey numbers are far more valuable then the global ones to determine how many users really use Win 7 on Steam.

But alas, this was never about the "truth". Its about scoring points and winning the argument.
And presenting yourself as some kind of "victim" of course.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

Yes. But it doesn't affect hardware GPU ability.

It quite literally does.

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

No. Windows 10 and Windows 11 (as build of Windows 10) have own subsection.
DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 explicitly stated !PRE!

Again, you're wrong. It literally states DX12 GPU AND Pre Win10 GPUs. So both are counted.

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

Insinuation. Ampersand always means LOGICAL AND.

Sorry but no. The link you linked too in the next post quite literally states that I'm correct.

The ampersand, also known as the and sign, is the logogram &, representing the conjunction "and". It originated as a ligature of the letters et—Latin for "and".

It is there in literal form that it stands for "And" too.

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

Support windows 10 will end in a year (official info) and all going to Win11. I hope Steam stop support this deprecated OS too.

Win7 got support for some years after it's been stopped supporting by Microsoft.
Win10 is pretty huge and a pretty modern OS by modern standards.
It is likely that Win10 will be supported by Valve for quite some time.

[Komarimaru]

It seems КрендельФигов simply does not understand how to read a graph.

That graph is hardware, by generation. For example, there were many "DX12" cards before Windows 10 was released, these were starter model cards, since 2011, long before Window 10 came out.

Windows 10 DX12 Ultimate cards, are the highest generation, with more features etc.

So all that graph is showing, is the old old DX12 cards, that aren't even fully DX12 compatible, vs ones that are true DX12 ultimate compatible.

It has nothing to do with operating systems, the operating systems are listed due to the generation, why you see Vista there as well.

[КрендельФигов]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

It seems КрендельФигов simply does not understand how to read a graph.

That graph is hardware, by generation. For example, there were many "DX12" cards before Windows 10 was released, these were starter model cards, since 2011, long before Window 10 came out.

Windows 10 DX12 Ultimate cards, are the highest generation, with more features etc.

So all that graph is showing, is the old old DX12 cards, that aren't even fully DX12 compatible, vs ones that are true DX12 ultimate compatible.

It has nothing to do with operating systems, the operating systems are listed due to the generation, why you see Vista there as well.

I see you 'all understand', but unable to substantiate counterargument.
Partially right, but subsection DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 not consist only in the direction DX12. & PRE-WIN10 -> AND PREVIOUS WINDOWS10 OS. Windows 10 have own subsection.

It has nothing to do with operating systems, the operating systems are listed due to the generation, why you see Vista there as well.
This is lying, because OS specified in DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 subsection.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by КрендельФигов:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

It seems КрендельФигов simply does not understand how to read a graph.

That graph is hardware, by generation. For example, there were many "DX12" cards before Windows 10 was released, these were starter model cards, since 2011, long before Window 10 came out.

Windows 10 DX12 Ultimate cards, are the highest generation, with more features etc.

So all that graph is showing, is the old old DX12 cards, that aren't even fully DX12 compatible, vs ones that are true DX12 ultimate compatible.

It has nothing to do with operating systems, the operating systems are listed due to the generation, why you see Vista there as well.

I see you 'all understand', but unable to substantiate counterargument.
Partially right, but subsection DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 not consist only in the direction DX12. & PRE-WIN10 -> AND PREVIOUS WINDOWS10 OS. Windows 10 have own subsection.

It has nothing to do with operating systems, the operating systems are listed due to the generation, why you see Vista there as well.
This is lying, because OS specified in DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 subsection.

Again, you do realize DX12 GPU's were released, well before Windows 10, right? In preparation for it?

Is that too hard to understand? That's what is being counted. DX12 GPU's were being released since 2011. Many people still use quite a few DX12 cards, that are not fully DX12.

For example, AMD 7970, lists as a DX12 GPU, but it's not fully DX12 and truly only DX11.1

Basically, it's just showing how old some people still have for GPU's.

The graph shows it by generation, if you do not understand that, then that is on you. I explained it above as simply as I could.