Attention: nobody is upset that Steam is ending Windows 7 support. They're upset that Steam is ending Windows 7 FUNCTIONALITY.

[Stiletto]

The threads about this topic are painful to read through, because about 80% of the tut-tutting upgrade cultists telling people that they're stupid for not always upgrading to the latest and greatest keep making the false case that "you're mad about Steam not supporting an old operating system".

No. No, that is not the case. Nobody, save for a few people, gives a damn whether Steam provides updates for Windows 7. Nobody cares about the security of Steam on Windows 7. We understand that we're subjecting ourselves to "security risks" by using an old OS.

Almost everyone incensed by this decision is angry because on December 31st, 2023, Steam will work perfectly well on Windows 7, and the next day, Steam will not work because Valve will ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DISABLE Steam on Windows 7. They will BREAK Steam for everyone still using Windows 7. So stop misrepresenting the actual grievance about this, because your utter contempt for those who don't belong to the "latest and greatest" cult only make your hubris that much more incorrigible.

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if 80% was still using i would say majority rules... because steam have gone
3 years over the MS deadline already....

now that way more than 80% are on win 10/11 its time to give win 7/8 users
239 more days to get on board with a now supported OS.... 239 more days
to sort something out..... very generous.... and considerate to the customers affected....

239 days....

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

80% are on win10
20% are on win11

<5% are on win7/8/8.1

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

80% are on win10
20% are on win11

<5% are on win7/8/8.1

It's 66% on Win10 and 33% on Win11.

Win11 is increasing and Win10 users are starting to switch to it.

[andchaos]

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

80% are on win10
20% are on win11

<5% are on win7/8/8.1

you know that thats 105% right? :P

btw. its based on what? what is the data source for it?

you need also consider that Win 10/11 are the only ones under microsoft support, so 30-40% of all of them are corporations/industrial machines, what also changes the porportion a lot of OS used for gaming

[RasaNova]

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/
22,453,739 users online right now.
https://steamdb.info/charts/
Lowest recent concurrent online users seems to be a bit below the 18 million.

i see 7-10mil, odd


anyway, lets redo the numbers then

80% of 22mil would be about 18mil
20% would be 4mil

5% would be 2mil

still win7/8 users only about 2mill
2mill people not buying from steam wouldnt make a difference when the 20mil ppl on win10/11 are spending money

Which numbers are you doing, total win 7/8 users? I think the issue is you're using the wrong stats. When people talk about total windows 7 users they don't mean concurrent users, but ALL users (since obviously most of us are not on Steam 24 hours per day.) The total active monthly users would be about 130 million based on stats from 2022, that's where people are getting the 2-3 million user figure from, based on the 1.6% win 7/8 users. (And honestly it's probably higher than that, since I'm sure there are Steam users that don't log in each month)

It adds up to a lot of people, but still a tiny percentage of the user base.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

why are you wasting your time here? trying to convince us to switch to windobe 10... come on and respect our choice of using a '' old '' operating system..

And as I've said multiple times in these threads: Choices carry out consequences.
If you decide to stay on an unsupported OS you'll have to bear the consequences of said choice, like having software companies stop catering at you. Because software companies don't like to spend resources (money) in developing for a OS that's no longer patched.

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

We want a Legacy Steam for win 7.

As The Rolling Stones said: "You don't always get what you want"

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

80% are on win10
20% are on win11

<5% are on win7/8/8.1

It's 66% on Win10 and 33% on Win11.

Win11 is increasing and Win10 users are starting to switch to it.

win11 lost users in latest survey and win10 gained more

win11's latest update made most ppl go back to 10 it seems

[BJWyler]

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

What Steam would do if 80% of their User Base was still on windows 7? Tell me! Tell me that Steam would not find a solution. They would.

When you have an actual OS that still performe well and still powerfull enough, then why changing? and having to reinstall every programs, mods, settings... taking weeks...

Without talking about the fact that some programes doesnt work due to incompatibility of Versions...

Changing OS is a serious Thinking. And forcing us to do so is disgusting and outrageous.

Blame Microsoft. They are the ones who started the ball rolling. This is the it has always been for the last 30 years.

Windows 7 only lasted this long because it was popular and a lot of people were still using it. It was the same way with Windows XP. That is no longer the case and hasn't been since 2017.

I do not have one program that I used on 7 that does not work on 10. Only one game I own did not launch on Windows 10. I had more issues going from XP to 7. Moving from 7 to 10 was the smoothest transition I ever had with Windows since I started using it in the 3.0 days.

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

why are you wasting your time here? trying to convince us to switch to windobe 10... come on and respect our choice of using a '' old '' operating system..

We want a Legacy Steam for win 7.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything. I'm just providing the facts of reality and the choices you are left with. Why are you wasting your time here? It won't change reality.

I have respect for using an old Operating System. I still use all my old Windows machines. I still used Win95 long after 98 came out. I used 98 until 2004. I even used Me much longer than I should have. I used XP until 2014. I used 7 until 2019. In these four years, I have found 10 to be more powerful and at least as capable as 7 ever was.

[Pete the Grouch]

Publicado originalmente por BJWyler:

Publicado originalmente por Pete the Grouch:

"Bruh, it's not personal; it's jUsT BuSiNesS"

Riiiiight... cos, of course, that just magically makes it all better, eh?

Give me strength...

It doesn't have to make it better. It's a fact of (business) life. And life is never guaranteed to be fair. One can endlessly complain about getting knocked down and blame everyone under the sun for getting knocked down...

..or one can pick onself up, dust oneself off and continue on, taking precautions to try to avoid getting knocked down again and come out a stronger person because of it.

Pffft... dude, seriously, gtfover yourself already, coming in here with all that 'high-&-mighty' BS - do you have ANY idea of just how sanctimonious you sound?

How exactly does bending the knee to a forced & ENTIRELY unasked for 'upgrade' equate to "picking oneself up"? To me, it sounds far more like a case of bending over & taking it up the duck run like a good little boy..!

Honestly, if there's one consistent - and, frankly INFURIATING - theme I've noticed on all these threads, it's that you shills/naysayers will use ANY kind of mental gymnastics you can to make it seem like you OR Valve are actually doing us some kind of 'favour'...

Again, you're not... trust me - you're REALLY not!

Side note - oh, lookie look... Stiletto got put on the Naughty Step - guess the 'oh-so-superior' Win10 crowd apparently didn't like what he was saying...

Kinda puts me in mind of an old quote-

"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar; rather, you simply prove you fear what he has to say."

[Plaid]

Publicado originalmente por Pete the Grouch:

Publicado originalmente por BJWyler:

It doesn't have to make it better. It's a fact of (business) life. And life is never guaranteed to be fair. One can endlessly complain about getting knocked down and blame everyone under the sun for getting knocked down...

..or one can pick onself up, dust oneself off and continue on, taking precautions to try to avoid getting knocked down again and come out a stronger person because of it.

Pffft... dude, seriously, gtfover yourself already, coming in here with all that 'high-&-mighty' BS - do you have ANY idea of just how sanctimonious you sound?

How exactly does bending the knee to a forced & ENTIRELY unasked for 'upgrade' equate to "picking oneself up"? To me, it sounds far more like a case of bending over & taking it up the duck run like a good little boy..!

Honestly, if there's one consistent - and, frankly INFURIATING - theme I've noticed on all these threads, it's that you shills/naysayers will use ANY kind of mental gymnastics you can to make it seem like you OR Valve are actually doing us some kind of 'favour'...

Again, you're not... trust me - you're REALLY not!

well said, especially this part -
"How exactly does bending the knee to a forced & ENTIRELY unasked for 'upgrade' equate to "picking oneself up"? To me, it sounds far more like a case of bending over & taking it up the duck run like a good little boy..!"

[BJWyler]

I provide facts and speak truth to reality. Take it as you want, it's immaterial to me. Come January 1st, 2024, I'll still be happily using Steam on my Windows 10 and 11 machines.

What will you be doing?

Blowing a lot of smoke here on the forums for the next 8 months isn't going to change that reality. So the choices are before you:

Say good bye to Steam or do what is necessary to keep using Steam in 2024.

Either that, or pick up the phone and call your local consumer agency and a lawyer.

I'm already betting on which one it will be.

[Pete the Grouch]

Publicado originalmente por BJWyler:

I provide facts and speak truth to reality. Take it as you want, it's immaterial to me. Come January 1st, 2024, I'll still be happily using Steam on my Windows 10 and 11 machines.

What will you be doing?

Blowing a lot of smoke here on the forums for the next 8 months isn't going to change that reality. So the choices are before you:

Say good bye to Steam or do what is necessary to keep using Steam in 2024.

Either that, or pick up the phone and call your local consumer agency and a lawyer.

I'm already betting on which one it will be.

Yes, I'm already exploring my other options, thanks - REGARDLESS of how things pan out over the next 8/9 months, Steam themselves won't be getting another penny of revenue from me, so, whether or not I 'update' is, frankly, rather a moot point...

And, yes, before any of you smug, condescending pr**ks come in crowing about how Valve 'doesn't care' about my custom - well, yeah, DUH, I'm fully aware of that.
Still, if this is how they're gonna treat their customers, then, for whatever little it's worth, I'd sooner my 'meagre' currency was going into the pockets of one of their competitors, rather than fuelling these degenerates & their insufferable greed..!

If the rest of you wanna keep sucking the teat, then, by all means... it's your business!

Me, personally, I'd rather not sit here & 'pretend' like any of this is being done for my benefit... WHY so many folk feel compelled to go to bat for Big Corpo is a bit of a mystery to me - but, hey, whatever helps you feel 'superior', I guess..? *shrugs*
(Cos, in the end, you know & I know that's ALL this is really about for you folks... smh)

[muchmore777]

+1

[BJWyler]

Like I said. I state facts and speak to the reality of the situation. There's nothing smug about that. Do I wish Valve would continue to support Windows 7? Sure. I wish they would support all the old OSes, as I wish Microsoft would. Heck, I wish 5.25" and 3.5" floppies were still supported. But that's not the reality of our tech industry. That's not being smug, coy, superior, hubris, or anything else except a Realist.

Publicado originalmente por Pete the Grouch:

Still, if this is how they're gonna treat their customers, then, for whatever little it's worth, I'd sooner my 'meagre' currency was going into the pockets of one of their competitors, rather than fuelling these degenerates & their insufferable greed..!

And I've heard the exact same things said about Steam's competitors. Do you honestly think any corporation is that much different. None of them are your friends. All of them are going to stop supporting Windows 7 at some point.

Publicado originalmente por Pete the Grouch:

Me, personally, I'd rather not sit here & 'pretend' like any of this is being done for my benefit... WHY so many folk feel compelled to go to bat for Big Corpo is a bit of a mystery to me - but, hey, whatever helps you feel 'superior', I guess..? *shrugs*
(Cos, in the end, you know & I know that's ALL this is really about for you folks... smh)

Nobody pretends any of this is for our benefit. Any time a corporation decides to do something, it's always in the best interest of the board, executives, and the bottom line. That should come as no surprise to anyone. That's Capitalism 101.

You know what the real kicker is? There are a couple of other -isms that offer some solutions to the issue of big money control. But of course those are dirty words in a Free Democratic Society. That's some dang irony for you.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Its not that they can't upgrade either. I mean they have machines capable of yrunning games released in that last 5-8 years then you can handle w10 no prob. and the upgrade is literally free.

As pointed oiut and as i can state from my own experience withe the WinXP rollover. The issue is the client and the back end need to be in sync. If the client is out of sync then it becomes non functional.

So if they are not supporting an os, then the old client will eventually reach the point where it won't even beable to log in.


You can keep your old key, but don't act surprised when it doesn't workn in the new locks,.

it's why we are asking for a Legacy Steam.

So you basically want them to keep two seperate backends just so 2% iof their users can keep using thier old OSes?
Yeah Y'all aren't spending enough to be worth that level of expenditure m8.
Not to mention the fact it would mean at least one of the backends would inherently have weaker security.so you'd in essence still be putting the other 95% of users at a security risk.

Publicado originalmente por Sooh:

Steam should seriously think about it, since Microsoft make a new windows every 3 years lol.

and stop comparing windows xp and older with windows 7.

Same thing happened when they got dropped and here's the joke each of those represented a more significant burden to the consumer because in those cases there were no free upgrade paths. Available.

If the idea that Windows versions get pohased oput bothers you. switch to linux.