Sooh 2023 年 5 月 2 日 下午 3:36
If Steam drop Windows 7 / 8 support, they also drop Linux support. Why? read below!
From Steam Itself:

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

They explicitely says that the future Steam will require Windows 10 features and security update, which Linux can't have. So what Steam will do for that? knowing that there is more Windows 7 users than Linux Users.

If steam can fix their Linux users with Proton, then why not a simple fix for windows 7? lol

Tell me what your windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't!

in 2023, windows 7 is still powerfull and there was no reason for Microsoft to make a windows 10.. why not udating windows 7 for ever? since it was the BEST windows OS.

People dont ask the good questions.. lol. they only want windows 10 and lose their Privacy.

If Steam drop Windows 7 support, they will also drop Linux support and in the future, will drop windows 10 too. This is not a good attitude lol.

Microsoft is doing the same attitude with Dx12, and a LOTS of compagny are now using Vulkan for compatiblity purpose and multiplaform or OS.

So again.. no one can tell me 1 thing windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't in 2023.

Add those line of scripting code to windows 7 and all your windows 10 functionality will work, except you'll be on windows 7 and will keep your freaking privacy.
最后由 Sooh 编辑于; 2023 年 5 月 2 日 下午 5:59
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MonkehMaster 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 3:46 
引用自 DorpMarfin12
引用自 MonkehMaster

"loads and loads"... thats blatant lies LOL.

win 7 with ESU is patched up to the beginning of 2023... tell me where these fake "loads" of vulnerabilities you claimed showed up in the last year of not getting security patches?

win 10 in total has more cve's known than win 7 did in its entire life, win 11 is only 2 years old and is already up to 600 known cve's....

win 7 total known cve's (2369) 14 years old

win 10 total known cve's (3018) 8 years old

win 11 total cve's (600) 2 years old

:lunar2020thinkingtiger:

Software are not made for windows 7 anymore, it's expected that a lot of CVE's will not show up unless you try to port windows 10 programs and try to maintain on 7.

Windows 7 had it's limitations by the time that is no surprise that 10 will have more CVE's, more functionalities for microsoft to maintain

seen plenty of software still made to run on win 7, be it some known company or w/e, even seen games still releasing with win 7 support (under min requirements).

anywho, win 10 has more vulnerabilities than both win 7 and 11 combined, its been out half as long as win 7 and 4x as long as win 11, win 11 is on its way in a hurry.

that being said, that person i was replying to posted some nonsense.
最后由 MonkehMaster 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 3:52
BionicSeaSerpent 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 8:06 
i'm Here from the Brodie Robertson video, just wanna give my two cents:
Windows 7 and Linux are absolutely nothing alike support wise, this OP is just a clueless fool with no idea what makes support happen. or they hate on Linux a lot because its not windows. i dunno i don't particularly care for their reason because its stupid either way.

the last time i checked, the minimum specs for windows was like an OG pentium 4 or something with 1GB of RAM and 64GB of storage space. anything past like. 2005 is going to run windows. how do i know this?
Well, my system is as Follows:
Intel Core i5 2450m
GeForce GT 540M
8GB 2X4 DDR3 @665Mhz
256GB Teamgroup CX2 SSD
1TB Samsung Spinpoint

Windows 10 runs normally. yes its slow and its ugly but that is what windows 10 has been about since the beginning in 2015., and i've only ever used windows 10 on thus hardware despite it being from 2012. and i am spewing i didn't use 8.1 up until it was EOL by Microsoft earlier this year. as for 7? it was already nailed in its coffin about 3/4 years ago. when i got my hardware. having used windows 10 for so long i got angry with how consistently slow and awful it would become, even after upgrading to dual channel 8GB RAM. i gave up on windows entirely and dived into Linux. Linux has been BY FAR the SUPERIOR pick for this hardware (save for the fact that Fermi doesn't support Vulkan but Tahiti does, that's another topic for another day) i can do everything i needed to just fine. my privacy isn't in question and i live my life on a problem free desktop known as KDE Plasma. which consumes minimal resources, feeds little to no technical telemetry to the KDE foundation and even better, has its latest driver be a 2022 revision instead of 2018 on windows. i got ♥♥♥♥ for disliking my experience from a boatload of people and i didn't care what people had to say on it. Windows has always been a buggy piece of ♥♥♥♥ and will continue to be with added spyware and adware inside.
moral of the story, stick to Linux and your problems with windows will melt away and life will be a ♥♥♥♥ ton easier for you.

i might like to add that i now have a MSI Factory OC'ed Radeon HD 7970 at my side waiting for a potential system to be put in. i will be out of the cursed grasp of Thermi soon enough. i'm hoping i can enjoy Tahiti and its Vulkan compatability. but i need to buy something to run it first.
TLDR, OP is just talking, i own a piece of ♥♥♥♥ computer that i ran windows 10 on, despise windows 10 for life and now i am living on cloud 99 and having a blast on Linux. so if you hate the ♥♥♥♥ out of Windows 10, Use Linux, and not that GNOME ♥♥♥♥. KDE Plasma
סוויפטי 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 10:21 
引用自 Sooh
Linux is not a freindly user OS... it'S more made for servers side than desktop use.

WRONG!
סוויפטי 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 10:22 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
You do know that the Steam Deck is Linux based, right?
probably NOT!
KnHjVNE 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 10:44 
You do know that the Steam Deck is Linux based, right?
kingjames488 2023 年 12 月 14 日 上午 1:11 
引用自 DorpMarfin12
Windows 7 had it's limitations by the time that is no surprise that 10 will have more CVE's, more functionalities for microsoft to maintain
more "features" to exploit...

why would I want that? especially if I'm just going to turn off the "features" anyways?
gelbphoenix 2023 年 12 月 14 日 上午 3:18 
引用自 סוויפטי
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
You do know that the Steam Deck is Linux based, right?
probably NOT!
The Steam Deck runs SteamOS which is (since SteamOS 3.0) a derivitate of Arch Linux. Valve made this a clear point. SteamOS 1.0 and 2.0 were Debian based.
BionicSeaSerpent 2023 年 12 月 14 日 下午 5:39 
引用自 gelbphoenix
引用自 סוויפטי
probably NOT!
The Steam Deck runs SteamOS which is (since SteamOS 3.0) a derivitate of Arch Linux. Valve made this a clear point. SteamOS 1.0 and 2.0 were Debian based.
it is also the THIRD release of SteamOS. which means Valve has now passed the basic maths class and knows what comes between 2 and 4
Robotic ***** User 2023 年 12 月 14 日 下午 6:13 
引用自 Sooh
From Steam Itself:

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

They explicitely says that the future Steam will require Windows 10 features and security update, which Linux can't have. So what Steam will do for that? knowing that there is more Windows 7 users than Linux Users.

If steam can fix their Linux users with Proton, then why not a simple fix for windows 7? lol

Tell me what your windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't!

in 2023, windows 7 is still powerfull and there was no reason for Microsoft to make a windows 10.. why not udating windows 7 for ever? since it was the BEST windows OS.

People dont ask the good questions.. lol. they only want windows 10 and lose their Privacy.

If Steam drop Windows 7 support, they will also drop Linux support and in the future, will drop windows 10 too. This is not a good attitude lol.

Microsoft is doing the same attitude with Dx12, and a LOTS of compagny are now using Vulkan for compatiblity purpose and multiplaform or OS.

So again.. no one can tell me 1 thing windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't in 2023.

Add those line of scripting code to windows 7 and all your windows 10 functionality will work, except you'll be on windows 7 and will keep your freaking privacy.


I know this post is a bit old but I want to respond

The fact that you said that Steam is dropping Linux as well is pointless let me explain

So why is Steam is shutting down well its because of Google Chrome not updating Windows 7/8 and the Steam’s Store is running on chrome(if am correct) ok cool now hear me out

Did you know googles Phones and Laptop( Chromebook) are all Linux based yes Google’s hardware are all using Linux meaning that if they want to support their hardware with their browser that means they also have to support other Linux Distro’s as well meaning the chrome will always support the Linux OS

Now hear me out Valve the company that made Steam made the Steam Deck which is a Linux Based yes the Steam Deck that we all love and adore have been using Linux as their base OS

Now I did see that because Linux and Windows have been using the same Programming Language which is C standered that doesn’t mean they all share see if you don’t know OS’s have their own kernels, kernals if you don’t know are the reason why our Memory, Devices and CPU are all connected to the OS so basically in a nutshell are important stuff look up on Wikipedia if you want to learn more

Now each kernels are all different which means yes Linux has their own kernel so does Windows and Mac for example

Windows’s Kernal is called Windows NT

Linux’s Kernal is called well Linux Kernal

And MacOS’s kernel is called XNU

But anyways this is the reason why Valve won’t drop Linux as well because Google is always updating Chrome on the Linux Kernal is because well they’re hardware is using Linux but Google are dropping Windows 7 because well Win 7 uses NT 6.1 and remind you Win11 is on NT 10.0 and it would be hard to support a older version of NT


For Windows 7 users I highly recommend using Linux the best starters is well Linux Mint because Linux Mint looks like Windows and is based on Ubuntu which is popular and gets more support same with Mint and the best thing about Linux is that it's easily customizable meaning you can make Linux Mint look and sound like Windows 7

For people who are using Older Machines

Linux Mint - XFCE

For people who have new machines

Linux Mint - Cinnamon

The best thing about Linux is that it's not runned by a company its a open source OS meaning that the community technically owns meaning you don’t have to worry about your favorite OS shutting down

And cmon you can update your system while using the computer I mean that's cool
AlexTheRedScout 2023 年 12 月 14 日 下午 7:48 
引用自 Sooh
From Steam Itself:

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

They explicitely says that the future Steam will require Windows 10 features and security update, which Linux can't have. So what Steam will do for that? knowing that there is more Windows 7 users than Linux Users.

If steam can fix their Linux users with Proton, then why not a simple fix for windows 7? lol

Tell me what your windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't!

in 2023, windows 7 is still powerfull and there was no reason for Microsoft to make a windows 10.. why not udating windows 7 for ever? since it was the BEST windows OS.

People dont ask the good questions.. lol. they only want windows 10 and lose their Privacy.

If Steam drop Windows 7 support, they will also drop Linux support and in the future, will drop windows 10 too. This is not a good attitude lol.

Microsoft is doing the same attitude with Dx12, and a LOTS of compagny are now using Vulkan for compatiblity purpose and multiplaform or OS.

So again.. no one can tell me 1 thing windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't in 2023.

Add those line of scripting code to windows 7 and all your windows 10 functionality will work, except you'll be on windows 7 and will keep your freaking privacy.
this incorrect in every way possible it so wrong
Minuit 2023 年 12 月 15 日 下午 6:39 
引用自 roboticalien
引用自 Sooh
From Steam Itself:

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

They explicitely says that the future Steam will require Windows 10 features and security update, which Linux can't have. So what Steam will do for that? knowing that there is more Windows 7 users than Linux Users.

If steam can fix their Linux users with Proton, then why not a simple fix for windows 7? lol

Tell me what your windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't!

in 2023, windows 7 is still powerfull and there was no reason for Microsoft to make a windows 10.. why not udating windows 7 for ever? since it was the BEST windows OS.

People dont ask the good questions.. lol. they only want windows 10 and lose their Privacy.

If Steam drop Windows 7 support, they will also drop Linux support and in the future, will drop windows 10 too. This is not a good attitude lol.

Microsoft is doing the same attitude with Dx12, and a LOTS of compagny are now using Vulkan for compatiblity purpose and multiplaform or OS.

So again.. no one can tell me 1 thing windows 10 can do that windows 7 can't in 2023.

Add those line of scripting code to windows 7 and all your windows 10 functionality will work, except you'll be on windows 7 and will keep your freaking privacy.


I know this post is a bit old but I want to respond

The fact that you said that Steam is dropping Linux as well is pointless let me explain

So why is Steam is shutting down well its because of Google Chrome not updating Windows 7/8 and the Steam’s Store is running on chrome(if am correct) ok cool now hear me out

Did you know googles Phones and Laptop( Chromebook) are all Linux based yes Google’s hardware are all using Linux meaning that if they want to support their hardware with their browser that means they also have to support other Linux Distro’s as well meaning the chrome will always support the Linux OS

Now hear me out Valve the company that made Steam made the Steam Deck which is a Linux Based yes the Steam Deck that we all love and adore have been using Linux as their base OS

Now I did see that because Linux and Windows have been using the same Programming Language which is C standered that doesn’t mean they all share see if you don’t know OS’s have their own kernels, kernals if you don’t know are the reason why our Memory, Devices and CPU are all connected to the OS so basically in a nutshell are important stuff look up on Wikipedia if you want to learn more

Now each kernels are all different which means yes Linux has their own kernel so does Windows and Mac for example

Windows’s Kernal is called Windows NT

Linux’s Kernal is called well Linux Kernal

And MacOS’s kernel is called XNU

But anyways this is the reason why Valve won’t drop Linux as well because Google is always updating Chrome on the Linux Kernal is because well they’re hardware is using Linux but Google are dropping Windows 7 because well Win 7 uses NT 6.1 and remind you Win11 is on NT 10.0 and it would be hard to support a older version of NT


For Windows 7 users I highly recommend using Linux the best starters is well Linux Mint because Linux Mint looks like Windows and is based on Ubuntu which is popular and gets more support same with Mint and the best thing about Linux is that it's easily customizable meaning you can make Linux Mint look and sound like Windows 7

For people who are using Older Machines

Linux Mint - XFCE

For people who have new machines

Linux Mint - Cinnamon

The best thing about Linux is that it's not runned by a company its a open source OS meaning that the community technically owns meaning you don’t have to worry about your favorite OS shutting down

And cmon you can update your system while using the computer I mean that's cool

They are trying to teach things when they aren't able to understand that Linux is the only way. The are obsolete shills, all of them.
最后由 Minuit 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 15 日 下午 6:40
76561198953363428 2023 年 12 月 15 日 下午 10:58 
I'll just tell you a couple of stories from my practice. They have one thing in common - Windows 7 under no circumstances will do anything like this without the direct participation of the user.
- 1. Conditionally an easily solved problem:
Windows updates the driver for sound (*any device can be here), and the sound stops working. The user or computer repair service rolls back the driver. The previous driver works great, but Windows downloads the update over and over again. The average user does not have the skills and tools to stop this, because Microsoft does everything so that he cannot get to the settings. But many people cope.
- 2. A problem that the average user cannot solve on their own, and is forced to pay a service engineer (me) to restore the equipment:
Windows updates the BIOS/UEFI from the Update center and the device stops functioning properly. The reason is any of choice - reliable power is not provided / antivirus is not turned off / some devices or drivers are not functioning / the user must urgently turn off the computer. Anyway, the user/device is not ready to upgrade, but Windows doesn't care. One of the recent cases is that HP released an unusable UEFI update for a series of laptops, it got into the Windows repository, downloaded and installed by the update center. As a result, the laptop does not see any bootable devices (USB/SATA/NVME). After that, the girl user calls the repair service.
Then there were expenses that were not directly related to the malfunction, but expected by many users, simply because that's how modern life works.
The service performs some manipulations with the device, after which it stops turning on altogether. And he asks for a lot of money for expensive repairs. The girl refused, after which the laptop came to me. I restored some power circuits in it and replaced the faulty i5 10300H processor. As a result, the repair cost her about 1/3 of the current cost of the laptop.
And when I finally got a working device, I went back to the original problem - there are no bootable devices. I flashed the BIOS chip using the programmer, the previous stable version. Hallelujah, the boot devices are fine and the client OS is not affected! And what happens next? After restarting, Windows 10 starts the BIOS update again, after which it cannot boot again :) It's wonderful, don't you think? I flash the working version again, then delete the downloaded update, and then for another day I try various solutions that will protect the client from such "updates". Still, I'm not sure if this will work in the long run.
3. A problem that the average service will often not be able to solve:
Windows automatically turns on Bitlocker without notifying the user about it, and without giving him any means to unlock. If the user uses a Microsoft account, he can get the key to unlock, but there is a very high chance that his OS will stop functioning. This means the loss of all installed programs, settings, and other things. If the user uses a local account, his data may probably be lost forever. I have many examples of this outrage. If the system partition is encrypted, any change in the configuration of the computer - installing new hardware, updating the BIOS, failure of some device, and even simply deleting the video card driver - can trigger the activation of Bitlocker protection. The next time it boots, it will ask you for the key and refuse to load the OS. 100% of my clients who found themselves in this situation did not know not only about the enabled encryption, but even about the existence of Bitlocker itself, and of course, never needed to use it.
By the way, every 10/11 user reading this may be surprised now by typing "manage-bde -status" in the command prompt :) Have a nice day.
最后由 On/Off 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:31
Lumios 2023 年 12 月 16 日 上午 7:03 
引用自 BionicSeaSerpent
i'm Here from the Brodie Robertson video

I just saw the video and I mostly agree with him; the Windows 7 users here are being delusional. They can't sue Valve if Windows XP users before them couldn't either. Valve is not the only company that stopped supporting 7 either.

With that being said; I'm a tad bit sad he was just parroting the same talking points as other Windows users here, that 7 is not safe anymore when it was never safe to begin with. In fact, Windows has never been safe ever: Windows 10 and 11 are even less secure than 7 apparently. That's why Wannacry was as big as it was.

At least, he isn't a hypocrite since he uses Linux and not a newer version of Windows. I don't think he will read the comments on Steam, but I'm hoping someone will tell him directly that this, in particular, is wrong.

引用自 BionicSeaSerpent
so if you hate the ♥♥♥♥ out of Windows 10, Use Linux, and not that GNOME ♥♥♥♥. KDE Plasma

I don't know if it is another one of those "Linux will sometimes work fine and sometimes not" moments, but KDE Plasma has been a ♥♥♥♥♥ to me from the start. For example, it would occasionally show me a black screen upon login. That kind of makes me want to try another version of KDE that isn't KDE Plasma to be frank.
Additionally, some software bundled with it are addled with bugs. For example, Gwenview will display some png files incorrectly with bright and washed out colors, whereas that is not an issue with Eye of Gnome or GPicView. There is even an open bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441162

Meanwhile, I used GNOME for well over 6 years, and had no problem with it other than the whole computer freezing from clicking on the Activity Tab, but that was not only an infrequent problem compared to what I deal with KDE Plasma, but that was the only problem I ever experienced on GNOME during regular use.

Linux is very fickle, but from what I have seen, it has only become better and better over the years. Unless someone's a total newbie, I would recommend Debian above all else. Ubuntu seems like a good choice for newbies, though.


Or heck, they can use the Steam deck! That works too!
最后由 Lumios 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 16 日 上午 7:13
Hobbit XIII 2023 年 12 月 16 日 上午 7:53 
GoG is the answer.
NakiBest 2023 年 12 月 16 日 上午 7:59 
Here is a nice funny story about Linux.. ermm - "Lunix" -->
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8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting
Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a Professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive.
Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
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So, pay close attention and be alert! :)
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