I am not upgrading to Windows 10, 11 12 etc

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It was such a nice time to meet you guys. I appreciate your help and discussions here.

245 days left

upd. Steam images stopped loading last week, it's just a blanket icon, just like one from HTML

[Stiletto]

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

They are quite normal and happen all the time in the greater shceme of things.

You can use "the greater scheme of things" to make any number of facile points. Fires and data breaches are not "normal" events. They are abnormal events. Do you see fires every day driving through town?

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

They are quite normal and happen all the time in the greater shceme of things.

You can use "the greater scheme of things" to make any number of facile points. Fires and data breaches are not "normal" events. They are abnormal events. Do you see fires every day driving through town?

Just because you don't see it doesen't mean its not normal or part of life. Just like car accidents are normal, but you might not see one for years. Your making the mistake in assuming it has to be seen by you personally for it to be normal, but thats not correct.

Again, pretty much every disaster prep plan held by every city is both normal, and for a rare event. The odds of an indivual city needing it is low, but the odds of at least some of the cities needing it are exceptionally high.

Thats how the world works with rare events, even though they are rare they happen enough that you plan for it because they WILL happen, and you don't want to be the one without a plan.

[Stiletto]

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

Steam is just one of the first to announce it and give people plenty of notice. As history as shown the other launchers will do the same thing.

No, none of the other launchers have done the same thing, so the "history" you are going by is just Steam doing it. You are gaslighting really hard now.

EGS has already cut support and killed Fortnite for Windows 7&8, you can expect an announcement about their store which also runs on Chromium soon.

Fortnite is a game, not a game launcher. You are now conflating different types of software to maintain your point. This is getting pathetic.

Origin also killed support for Windows XP and Vista just like steam did with far less notice then steam provided back when that occured as well. So assuming the other stores aren't following suit would be unrealistic.

And now you're talking about support ending for versions of Windows other than Windows 7, which is irrelevant to what we're discussing. Enjoy those straws you grasped so hard for.

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

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Suggest you read more carefully. As repeatedly pointed out an OS being depreciated is a normal occurence, just one that doesn't happen all the time. The results for it are always the same. Stores phase it out, products stop working on it.

You can deny it all you want but its been shown time and time again that its happened, and it will CONTINUE to happen in the future.

it sounds like Console gaming might be a better fit for you if you can't handle when an Operating system is depreciated after 15 years

[Large Tomatoes]

İlk olarak Mad Max tarafından gönderildi:

They started by adding telemetry updates to Windows 7 a few months before releasing 10 and making it a free upgrade. Its all over the internet and every update which contained the shady stuff have been listed on several websites including those by English speaking westerners. Blogs were written about it. Just do a google search.

You still haven't answered the question, what shady stuff are they collecting, be specific. Just claiming 'telemetry' isn't enough I'm afraid, pretty much every piece of software out there collects telemetry of some sort, Valve collect ungodly amounts of telemetry for example.

I've seen loads of people online claiming Windows listens to everything you do, then provide no proof. I've seen endless people in the Linux community claim that Microsoft is effectively and extension of the government, then provide no proof. I've heard it all, yet not one single person has provided any specific details (with proof) of what Microsoft is collecting. The common theme amongst all of them is that they all ignore the strict data protection laws that exist in many countries, specifically the UK and EU. If Microsoft was doing what you and others claim then they would have been taken to the cleaners long ago.

The thing that is worrying about ALL USA based software houses is where data gets stored. The US government wants all US company data to be stored within US borders, yet the EU/UK want all data about their citizens stored within their own borders. As soon as my data enters US borders we lose control of it, and lets face it, the US government isn't exactly trustworthy when it says "we ain't listening to s**t". Escaping that tangential rant before I get swept up in it, provide proof of what is being collected and why it is so bad. Microsoft makes peanuts off Windows, plus they aren't an advertising company like Google.

İlk olarak Mad Max tarafından gönderildi:

As for Windows 7 being "dead", its not. You say it is insecure but I say it is far more secure than the newer windows releases because malicious codes are not made for an OS that is not mainstream. Windows 7, after XP, and even now is the best, most powerful operating system fully customizable, unrestricted and not a memory or cpu hog as an OS should be. There is a reason why it is being used. And why you would attack such a person is weird though it may be the norm now. I didn't invite you to use it or to debate.

Windows 7 is dead because Microsoft have stopped supporting it. Therefore the OS is not going to get updates, it is not going to receive any bug fixes or hardware compatibility updates. You can use whatever OS you like just don't expect others to continue supporting it with their software.

Also, I'm not attacking anybody, I'm conversing.

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

the sign of someone secure in their beliefs.

Not beliefs, facts based on actual knowledge of how the software industry works and supported by basically the entire history of software, including the multiple times this has happened in just the last 20 years and how the other stores did exactly what myself and others have told you.

You don't have to believe us, but you will have to accept it eventually, as its reality and you can't change it.

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak Minuit tarafından gönderildi:

On the topic, we will get a legacy launcher for Win7/8/8.1, maybe Win XP also; I just still hope it will be Valve's own decision, it would be less trouble for everyone.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that, and definitely not for XP of which everyone has already moved on from.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

İlk olarak Minuit tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

Sneering and condescension: the sign of someone secure in their beliefs.

In almost every post they made yes, just don't feed them mate... we know who they are: always the same pack.

On the topic, we will get a legacy launcher for Win7/8/8.1, maybe Win XP also; I just still hope it will be Valve's own decision, it would be less trouble for everyone.

Like the ones for previous OSes that are depreciated? Point to your precedent.

[BJWyler]

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

the sign of someone secure in their beliefs.

Not beliefs, facts based on actual knowledge of how the software industry works and supported by basically the entire history of software, including the multiple times this has happened in just the last 20 years and how the other stores did exactly what myself and others have told you.

You don't have to believe us, but you will have to accept it eventually, as its reality and you can't change it.

Does Steam (and other launchers/storefronts)
work on Windows 3.0?
Nope.
on Windows 95?
Nope.
on Windows 98?
Nope.
on Windows XP?
Nope.

Can I use my 5.25" floppy software on any of my new systems?
Nope. Haven't been able to use them on any computer I bought after 1994.

Does my WordPerfect 7 software work on Windows XP and beyond?
Nope.

Can my Windows 98 machine effectively and securely surf the internet?
Nope.

Whether it's 8 months from now, or two years from now. Support for Windows 7 will end, and things will stop working on Windows 7 as they are updated over time. And in two years, there will still be people bemoaning the situation.

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak BJWyler tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

Not beliefs, facts based on actual knowledge of how the software industry works and supported by basically the entire history of software, including the multiple times this has happened in just the last 20 years and how the other stores did exactly what myself and others have told you.

You don't have to believe us, but you will have to accept it eventually, as its reality and you can't change it.

Does Steam (and other launchers/storefronts)
work on Windows 3.0?
Nope.
on Windows 95?
Nope.
on Windows 98?
Nope.
on Windows XP?
Nope.

Can I use my 5.25" floppy software on any of my new systems?
Nope. Haven't been able to use them on any computer I bought after 1994.

Does my WordPerfect 7 software work on Windows XP and beyond?
Nope.

Can my Windows 98 machine effectively and securely surf the internet?
Nope.

Whether it's 8 months from now, or two years from now. Support for Windows 7 will end, and things will stop working on Windows 7 as they are updated over time. And in two years, there will still be people bemoaning the situation.

Yep aka what is otherwise known as a fact repeatedly backed up by history.

Same thing happened to Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and every other version of windows in the past. Its not new, its not surprising, and in time it will happen to Windows 10, Windows 11, etc.

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so the legacy launcher is not going to happen.... is there in facts on that...

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak ragefifty50 tarafından gönderildi:

so the legacy launcher is not going to happen.... is there in facts on that...

Just as much chance for it as Steam making a version of its launcher that works on an etch a sketch. Same amount of evidence for both afterall. At some point a low probability is so low that it effectively approaches 0.

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İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak ragefifty50 tarafından gönderildi:

so the legacy launcher is not going to happen.... is there in facts on that...

Just as much chance for it as Steam making a version of its launcher that works on an etch a sketch. Same amount of evidence for both afterall. At some point a low probability is so low that it effectively approaches 0.

but will the legacy launcher be release before or after 2024


237 days to go...
2 thousand zero zero party over oops out of time...

[BJWyler]

İlk olarak Stiletto tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak BJWyler tarafından gönderildi:

Does Steam (and other launchers/storefronts)
work on Windows 3.0?
Nope.
on Windows 95?
Nope.
on Windows 98?
Nope.

They never did in the first place. Did you even think of that? What is the point of your moot observations here?

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the red herrings and non sequiturs never stop.

At the end of the day, you can miss, or ignore, the point all you want. It won't change the reality of the situation that will occur in 8 months. It doesn't change the reality of history going all the way back to room sized computers, tape reels, and punch cards.

You can call me, and anyone else here any name you want, and slap on us any label you want, if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that within the next 8 months, you have a choice to make:

1) keep complaining on the forums until January 1st, when you can't any more.

2) Upgrade to Windows 10, and continue to use Steam until 2029, when we will see you all back here again complaining about dropping of Win 10 support.

3) Migrate to Linux and hope for the same functionality that Windows gives you.

4) Get a lawyer and try to make an actual beneficial change for consumer rights.

That is called reality.
Which one are you picking?

[Brian9824]

İlk olarak ragefifty50 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak brian9824 tarafından gönderildi:

Just as much chance for it as Steam making a version of its launcher that works on an etch a sketch. Same amount of evidence for both afterall. At some point a low probability is so low that it effectively approaches 0.

but will the legacy launcher be release before or after 2024


237 days to go...
2 thousand zero zero party over oops out of time...

Its a safe bet to assume it will be sometime after 20024. (that isn't a typo)